Originally posted by gogogadgetgowho in specific are u referring to?
what? this still going? this has gotten old...lets all move on to better things...since it is very clear to me that there are some people who refuses to accept facts even when scans/evidences have been presented...they just keep on going back to "WHAT THEY THINK"...and "HOW THEY VIEW THINGS"...what a pitty...
Originally posted by Mr Master
The way it was depicted by Marvel,Thanos became the Almighty (God) with IN the Omniverse.
God/Toaa control and create everything that takes place with IN Marvel Comics,
so God/Toaa made Thanos the Supreme Being with IN the Omniverse.
IMO, God/Toaa should be in a class of their own and should never be included in a hierarchy,
because their Supremacy is not a question of power or scale of influence,
they make eveything happen, they give Omnipotence if they wish to characters, so it's silly to have them even in the same category as other comic book characters.
And he don´t really have any omnipotent scale feats, like having Eternity, Galactus or someone else high stated kneeling for him.
Besides, Stan Lee, has never ever been refered to as The-One-Above-All, you simply made that up--from what´s stated The-One-Above-All is still unknown.
- Stan Lee have made appearences in his comics, ture, but he have never adressed himself as God, I don´t know if he´s a Christian, but if he is, that would be sinning.
Originally posted by Astner
If Jack Kirby is the "creator of everything" where as Galactus is the "destroyer of everything" -- It means that with time Galactus will destroy what the creator have created.
It does not mean that at all.
(You're buying into a commercial dude, I suggest you stick to comics)
First off,
Jack did NOT create everything (Where'd you get that from?)
Stan Lee created HALF of the CLASSIC Marvel characters while Jack created the other half.
Many characters have been created AFTER Jack retired in the mid 80s.
Originally posted by Astner
Galactus in the early issues was refered to as God, and Jack Kirby got that idea from the Bible, Galactus was supose to be the counterpart of God, as Silver Surfer was supose to be the counterpart of the fallen angel -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M50Mjdsh_iw
This is referencing the beginnings of Galactus back in the late 60s.
We're in the year 2007.
And Galactus has not been even remotely close to "God" since the 70s.
Originally posted by Astner
And he don´t really have any omnipotent scale feats, like having Eternity, Galactus or someone else high stated kneeling for him.
"kneeling for him?" 🤨
Did you not read the FF#511 (that's not the Marvel God's style,
because it's supposed to represent a Real person ... namely the Artist)
Besides why would he care or want a DRAWING of his to "kneel" before him?
The God of Marvel and his collaborator CREATE everything we read in Comics.
That's the Facts .... that's the CANON truth. 🙂
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Any other replies defying this FACT, will be ignored, because this is a pointless debate T.
Please ... I hope you're not infected with the "Nvr syndrome." (intransigence)
Originally posted by Astner
Besides, Stan Lee, has never ever been refered to as The-One-Above-All, you simply made that up--from what´s stated The-One-Above-All is still unknown.
Actually I have always stated (in the PAST) that TOAA was Stan Lee (PRESUMABLY)
I never said that was a fact. (So yea, I made it clear it was MY Opinion)
What I know now is that God is definitely the Artist of ANY given Comic Book story in Marvel,
and God has a "Collaborator" (PRESUMABLY ... TOAA) which is definitely the Writer,
cause that's what the "Collaborator" was depicted as in FF#511.
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In FF#511 ... the FF call God "the Almighty"
In Marvel: The End ... Thanos calls God "the Almighty"
and Eternity acknowledged it as such.
Coincidence?
ermmno
So if TOAA is the only cat that can defeat the LT and the LT was defeated,
who's power do you think Thanos had?
TOAA obviously ... who was called "the Almighty"
According to the CANON issue of FF#511
("the Almighty" is a combination of the Artist and the Writer)
We know God is the Artist ... who's left that can take out the LT?
TOAA swank
Originally posted by Astner
Stan Lee have made appearences in his comics, ture, but he have never adressed himself as God,
I never said he did,
AGAIN,
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Almighty of Marvel.
The Almighty of Marvel represents the Artist and Writer of ANY given story.
This MEANS ANY Artist or any Writer can be "the Almighty" (GOD/TOAA)
Originally posted by Astner
I don´t know if he´s a Christian, but if he is, that would be sinning.
😂
They weren't portraying the Judeo-Christian "God" in FF#511,
it's just a Comic Book character that's been drawn to be the "God" of Marvel.
This "God" of Marvel represents the Artists and Writers of Marvel Comics.
It makes sense ... it's CANON .... and there's nothing left to say about it.
Peace.
Originally posted by Mr Masteru said i hope ur not infected with nver syndrome.
It does not mean that at all.(You're buying into a commercial dude, I suggest you stick to comics)
First off,
Jack did NOT create everything (Where'd you get that from?)
Stan Lee created HALF of the CLASSIC Marvel characters while Jack created the other half.
Many characters have been created AFTER Jack retired in the mid 80s.
This is referencing the beginnings of Galactus back in the late 60s.
We're in the year 2007.
And Galactus has not been even remotely close to "God" since the 70s.
"kneeling for him?" 🤨
Did you not read the FF#511 (that's not the Marvel God's style,
because it's supposed to represent a Real person ... namely the Artist)Besides why would he care or want a DRAWING of his to "kneel" before him?
The God of Marvel and his collaborator CREATE everything we read in Comics.
That's the Facts .... that's the CANON truth. 🙂
...................................................................................Any other replies defying this FACT, will be ignored, because this is a pointless debate T.
Please ... I hope you're not infected with the "Nvr syndrome." (intransigence)
Actually I have always stated (in the PAST) that TOAA was Stan Lee (PRESUMABLY)
I never said that was a fact. (So yea, I made it clear it was MY Opinion)
What I know now is that God is definitely the Artist of ANY given Comic Book story in Marvel,
and God has a "Collaborator" (PRESUMABLY ... TOAA) which to me would be the Writer,
cause that's what the "Collaborator" was depicted as in FF#511..........................................................................
In FF#511 ... the FF call God "the Almighty"
In the Marvel: The End ... Thanos calls God "the Almighty"
and Eternity acknowledges is as such.
Coincidence?
ermmno
So if TOAA is the only cat that can defeat the LT and the LT was defeated,
who's power do you think Thanos had?TOAA obviously ... who was called "the Almighty"
According to the CANON issue of FF#511
("the Almighty" is a combination of the Artist and the Writer)We know God is the Artist ... who's left that can take out the LT?
TOAA swank
I never said he did,
AGAIN,
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Almighty of Marvel.
The Almighty of Marvel represents the Artist and Writer of ANY given story.
This MEANS ANY Artist or any Writer can be "the Almighty" (GOD/TOAA)
😆
They weren't portraying the Judeo-Christian "God" in FF#511,
it's just a Comic Book character that's been drawn to be the "God" of Marvel.
This "God" of Marvel represents the Artists and Writers of Marvel Comics.It makes sense ... it's CANON .... and there's nothing left to say about it.
Peace. 🙂
😆
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
what? this still going? this has gotten old...lets all move on to better things...since it is very clear to me that there are some people who refuses to accept facts even when scans/evidences have been presented...they just keep on going back to "WHAT THEY THINK"...and "HOW THEY VIEW THINGS"...
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Welcome to the club ... everyone finds out sooner or later.
OK, what canon truths says that the writer/editor is Marvel´s most powerful being ... In all cameo´s the writer has never potrayed omnipotence--that´s fact.
The "comercial" is stated on Marvel´s official site.
The name TOAA was never mentioned, and has never been mentioned when refering to writers.
I don´t know why, but breaking the forth wall is nothing special, writers usually appears as normal humans.
Oh well ... As far as I´m concerned, Galactus = Jack Kirby avatar.
Originally posted by Astner❌
OK, what canon truths says that the writer/editor is Marvel´s most powerful being ... In all cameo´s the writer has never potrayed omnipotence--that´s fact.The "comercial" is stated on Marvel´s official site.
The name TOAA was never mentioned, and has never been mentioned when refering to writers.
I don´t know why, but breaking the forth wall is nothing special, writers usually appears as normal humans.
Oh well ... As far as I´m concerned, Galactus = Jack Kirby avatar.
Lets get down to facts buddy.
THE STORY:
They’ve faced the destroyer of everything – Galactus. Now they face the CREATOR of everything, as the Fantastic Four are reunited – in the HEREAFTER!
That´s from Marvel´s official website ... Destroyer - Creator
Obviously they´re counterparts.
A writer have never shown any signs of omnipotence, in a 4th wall breakthrough.
What he did took him time, he wrote and it came to life.
A True God, thinks and it´s there.
Terms such as God and the Almighty have been used to describe Cube Beings, even the Silver Surfer was called.
Sue Richards - "What can we do against the almighty powers of the Silver Surfer?"
Galactus was to Jack the counterpart of God, even entiteled the Destroyer of all.
So, he has never potrayed any signs of omnipotence at panel.
He have never been confirmed to be omnipotent.
- And even if he had (which he has not) I wouldn´t take the FF´s word for it, as Galactus also is omnipotent to them.
Originally posted by Astner
Lets get down to facts buddy.
Sure, there you go:
(excerpt from the Fantastic Four Ultimate Guide)
"to meet God ...
FF were amazed to find out that he Sketched Out Reality in the same way a Comic-Book Artist"
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In the actual FF Bio it certifies there are Two Supreme Beings working together
to create what we read, just like it was depicted on panel in FF#511:
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook)
"The CreatorS allowed it"
Originally posted by Astner
That´s from Marvel´s official website ... Destroyer - CreatorObviously they´re counterparts.
I told you, stick to On Panel and Bio corresponding evidence.
If you gear off into believing in hyperbole commercials,
you'l end up as clueless as those who used this as evidence against Abraxas:
"Abraxas, a threat of Galactus level proportions" 😂
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This is isn't from a website,
this is a bulletin (commercial)
that appeared in the back of every issue of the Abraxas Arc. (on panel)
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As we know this is just hyperbole bull shit to excite the readers,
Abraxas = Galactus? 🤨
❌
Originally posted by Astner
A writer have never shown any signs of omnipotence, in a 4th wall breakthrough.
Again,
apearances by Stan Lee in Comics are non-canon and are considered goofs.
Originally posted by Astner
What he did took him time, he wrote and it came to life.
A True God, thinks and it´s there.
But he isn't a "True God"
he's a freakin drawing dude, made up by Marvel to be the God of Marvel.
Jeesh.
Originally posted by Astner
Terms such as God and the Almighty have been used to describe Cube Beings, even the Silver Surfer was called.
Sue Richards - "What can we do against the almighty powers of the Silver Surfer?"
You're beating yourself up cause you don't wanna accept the Facts.
FF went to Marvel's Heaven. (never been done before never been seen before)
FF met the Marvel God. (unlike any other wannabe "god"😉
FF Bio certifies this as an actual event that happened. (so it's CANON)
Originally posted by Astner
Galactus was to Jack the counterpart of God, even entiteled the Destroyer of all.
On Panel (IN Comics) .... not commercials
The In-Betweener is Galactus' Counter-Part:
But if you want to force yourself to believe it's "God" or "Jack Kirby"
knock yourself out.
Originally posted by Astner
So, he has never potrayed any signs of omnipotence at panel.
He have never been confirmed to be omnipotent.
Are you playing with me?
The God/OAA of Marvel is the guy who gives characters omnipotence.
With his pencil ("the Wellspring of ALL REALITY"😉
He created the FF's Reality with a pencil stroke on panel.
FF's Reality is Marvel (616 specifically) but Marvel nonetheless.
Originally posted by Astner
- And even if he had (which he has not) I wouldn´t take the FF´s word for it,
as Galactus also is omnipotent to them.
The vicious circle.
A few these things to point out about the scans above, in case it was missed. 131
Originally posted by Astner
Terms such as God and the Almighty have been used to describe Cube Beings,even the Silver Surfer was called.
Sue Richards -
"What can we do against the almighty powers of the Silver Surfer?"
The "almighty Silver Surfer" is just a drawing of God's:
That's the difference.
Originally posted by Astner
Galactus was to Jack the counterpart of God,even entiteled the Destroyer of all.
It's impossible that Galactus has any connection of equality with Marvel's God.
Because Galactus is just a drawing on a piece of paper to God:
Originally posted by Astner
So, he has never potrayed any signs of omnipotence at panel.He have never been confirmed to be omnipotent.
I disagree:
Here God creates a Cosmos with a whole bunch of stuff happening in an instant:
Reed just can't believe it: 😂
Originally posted by Astner
- And even if he had (which he has not) I wouldn´t take the FF´s word for it, as Galactus also is omnipotent to them.
Galactus is just a drawing to God that can be crumbled up and thrown in the trash.
So if it takes two beings in marvel to be the TOAA, then Thanos would have never had the total power as he states that he was tricked by the master manipulator. So He either had the power of the artist, or the writer but not both, as he references one. It would seem he had the power of the Artist, as he didnt' know the plan.
He´s not TOAA, TOAA has never been showed on panel, it´s wierd that he has him in his hierarchy, adressed as Stan Lee when it´s only his speculation.
God does not need a pen ...
And that was not Jack Kirby, it was a fictional avatar of Jack Kirby, as a tribute.
All he did in that issue changing the surroundings etc. None of it was a omni-feat.
And the quote "The mystery intrigues me" quote is an evidence for that he´s not omniscient.
He´s just a forth dimensional being to them, that´s why it´s called breaking through the 4th wall.
But omnipotent? -- You need a infinite amount of dimensions more to that.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So if it takes two beings in marvel to be the TOAA, then Thanos would have never had the total power as he states that he was tricked by the master manipulator. So He either had the power of the artist, or the writer but not both, as he references one. It would seem he had the power of the Artist, as he didnt' know the plan.
Thanos did NOT have the power of either God or his "Collaborator"
Thanos became the Almighty with IN the Omniverse, that's all.
God and his Collaborator (PRESUMABLY) TOAA,
drew Thanos in the End and eveything else we read in Marvel Comics.
They're beyond such concepts as omnipotence, omniscience blah,blah,blah, or labels.
For the LAST TIME!!!
Thanos became the ALMIGHTY God of the Omniverse
because God (artist) and his Collaborator (writer) made it so.
It's just a story on paper for them,
but in that story on that paper Thanos was the God of the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos did NOT have the power of either God or his "Collaborator"Thanos became the Almighty with IN the Omniverse, that's all.
God and his Collaborator (PRESUMABLY) TOAA,
drew Thanos in the End and eveything else we read in Marvel Comics.They're beyond such concepts as omnipotence, omniscience blah,blah,blah, or labels.
For the LAST TIME!!!
Thanos became the ALMIGHTY God of the Omniverse
because God (artist) and his Collaborator (writer) made it so.It's just a story on paper for them,
but in that story on that paper [B]Thanos was the God of the Omniverse
. [/B]
I disagree. I would agree with you if Thanos himself had not talked about the creator thus, pulling the almighty into the story. Even if just by mention. He takes the story from inside the omniverse to actually telling us he isn't god and he knows it.
Originally posted by Astner
He´s not TOAA, TOAA has never been showed on panel, it´s wierd that he has him in his hierarchy, adressed as Stan Lee when it´s only his speculation.
It's not wierd cause I clearly stated it was MY OPINION!!!
Originally posted by Mr Master1.GOD/the Artist (Jack Kirby PRESUMABLY)
1.TOAA/"the Writer" (Stan Lee PRESUMABLY)
God/Jack calls him his "Collaborator".....
It makes sense....
TOAA/Stan (or the Writer) lays down the Story/Laws of Marvel.
GOD/Jack (or the Artist) turns those Stories/Laws into reality.
Do you know what Presumably means?
"used to convey that what is asserted is very likely though not known for certain"
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It's funny how if you take out the names Stan and Jack
you end up with how I view it now:
Watch:
TOAA (or the Writer) lays down the Story/Laws of Marvel.
GOD (or the Artist) turns those Stories/Laws into reality
🙄
Originally posted by Astner
God does not need a pen ...
What God?
Your God?
The Christian God?
The Muslim God?
Which God are you talking about?
Cause the Marvel God DOES need a Pen,
to create and draw everything we read in Marvel Comics.
Originally posted by Astner
And that was not Jack Kirby, it was a fictional avatar of Jack Kirby, as a tribute.
It was neither.
It's just that the Writers of FF#511 wanted to make God Human-like,
and who better to base it on than the guy who took Marvel to the Top in visual creativity.
After all God himself said:
"That's what my creations do ... they find the Humanity in God"
Originally posted by Astner
All he did in that issue changing the surroundings etc. None of it was a omni-feat.
And the quote "The mystery intrigues me" quote is an evidence for that he´s not omniscient.
He´s just a forth dimensional being to them, that´s why it´s called breaking through the 4th wall.
But omnipotent? -- You need a infinite amount of dimensions more to that.
Ahh, whatever.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlu disgaree becuz u have to. u know thanos has achieved things most characters can dream of. hell ds can never win becuz we know he may have already won may times but becuz of the genesi box it will never satnd. poor guy he keeps fighting the good fight never realizing it doesnt matter. hell orion will kill him. hes a determined new god. ill give him that just not as successful as some demigods.
I disagree. I would agree with you if Thanos himself had not talked about the creator thus, pulling the almighty into the story. Even if just by mention. He takes the story from inside the omniverse to actually telling us he isn't god and he knows it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos did NOT have the power of either God or his "Collaborator"Thanos became the Almighty with IN the Omniverse, that's all.
God and his Collaborator (PRESUMABLY) TOAA,
drew Thanos in the End and eveything else we read in Marvel Comics.They're beyond such concepts as omnipotence, omniscience blah,blah,blah, or labels.
For the LAST TIME!!!
Thanos became the ALMIGHTY God of the Omniverse
because God (artist) and his Collaborator (writer) made it so.It's just a story on paper for them,
but in that story on that paper [B]Thanos was the God of the Omniverse
. [/B]
👆
🙂
