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Ushgarak
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no intelligence behind any of my points. Really? First off I never said that the Bible was God's "work" I said that it is God's WORD. Secondly, there is rationality, reason, and intelligence behind ALL of my points--you just have to be clued-in Ushgarak to understand them. Third, my foundation is God's Word; how many times do I have to write that. Your foundation is perhaps something else, but I DO HAVE a foundation. Like I said before you have to respect my foundation because it is based on faith just as yours is probably based on something else. Stop attacking my foundation because the Word of the Lord is forever settled in Heaven anyway whether you wish to acknowledge this or not. Finally, I have NOT failed, I am NOT failing, and I have, am, and do succeed already. I have sown God's Word into more hearts on this forum alone than I have at any other time since becoming saved. (hundreds of people have read my posts). My job is to sow the seed of God's Word into as many hearts as is efficiently feasible. And you know what? I HAVE with the Lord's help! This fact alone excites me because I know that another true Christian will water the seeds that I have sown AND GOD WILL GIVE THE INCREASE! Contempt? I don't care about folks having contempt for me I couldn't care less. I know, that I know, that my know knows--that I am doing the Lord's will. You all thought that I was just another debater, jumping on this forum to argue with folk. Nope, this couldn't be further from the truth. I am however, here to engage others in verbal exchange. I see nowhere on this forum where there is some type of mandate that each one of us debate or argue other folk as a requirement for creating and replying to posts. This is simply a religion forum where everyone is free to post whatever they wish--AS LONG AS IT IS OF A RELIGIOUS NATURE. This forum is not dubbed, "The Debate/Argue Forum." So, in conclusion Ushgarak lighten up a little dude and direct your frustrations elsewhere. I am not your enemy and you are not mine. It just amazes me that you wasted all of that time pointing me out from all of the other people that post messages. Man, I must be pretty important (although being important is NOT my aim).
Here is some news for you- you don't get to dictate what is and is not so around here.
Your threads are nearly all the same and by not wanting to engage in intelligent debate of them they are pointless. Delude yourself with whatever justifications you like, and any illusion of success that you like, the fact remains that by opening so many threads that only have the same purpose, you are wasting space and time.
I'll give you some definite truth- people with big egos who think they can dictate what is and is not so around here when they have no right to normally come to a bad end.
This thread has clearly become pointless, so I am closing. JIA, if you want to preach and norhing else, confine it to one thread alone. Thankyou.
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Did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or is someone just having a power attack? You can close as many of my threads as you want Ushgarak, the seeds of God's Word have already been sown and will not return to Him void.
Peace out
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Do not waste time with posts like that. Consider this an official warning.
I have been civil, respectful since day one. I have not called anyone a bastard, dumbass, stupid, or any of the things that your buddies have called me. You want to moderate then I suggest you do so. Your idea of moderating is attacking me whenever I say something. I have not read one post where you responded to anyone elses posts. You seem to be only interested in coming after me. However, I know why: I SPEAK GOD'S WORD and God's Word brings you and everyone else under conviction. 🙂
Originally posted by crazy
You do not need to call someone a slur to be disrespectful. I do remember when I wrote something about Allah being the same term as god or something along that line, you just quoted it with the word Lies without backing it up.
That is not calling someone a demeaning name sir. 🙂
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have been civil, respectful since day one. I have not called anyone a bastard, dumbass, stupid, or any of the things that your buddies have called me. You want to moderate then I suggest you do so. Your idea of moderating is attacking me whenever I say something. I have not read one post where you responded to anyone elses posts. You seem to be only interested in coming after me. However, I know why: I SPEAK GOD'S WORD and God's Word brings you and everyone else under conviction. 🙂
I don't really care about how perfect you describe yourself as being. You have been spamming threads and now you are arguing with a moderator. These things are against the rules.
You have had your warning. Now you are still spamming this thread, which has no connection to anything else being discussed, just being the place you chose to randomly argue with me, with yet further arguments. If you keep arguing I will make this a ban. Your opinion on what I should do as a moderator is of no interest to me.
That made clear, this is where the matter now closes.
Originally posted by crazy
But you basically were calling me a liar, and lets say it is not a demeaning name, you were still very disrespectful there in my opinion. You know what I take it back, you are perfect, you are going to heaven, we are not, we understand this, can you leave us alone now?
An untruth is an UNTRUTH by the STANDARD OF GOD'S WORD. If you contradict the Bible then what you are saying is UNTRUE. 🙂
Originally posted by Alliance
They are biased, hateful, msiguided cartoons that do nothing but show how desperate radical Christians are. They have nothing to do with any sort of sane religious practice.
Exactly
well if D&D is correct than Hell is made up of nine layers and we can be sure that the nine dudes below are indeed in hell. As for anyway else I refer you to the Wizard's of the Coast Webpage where you will be enlightened with the truth of our existance! stick out tongueLord of the First: Bel
Lord of the Second: Dispater the Archduke
Lord of the Third: Mammon the Viscount
Lords of the Fourth: Lady Fierna and Archduke Belial
Lord of the Fifth: Prince Levistus
Lord of the Sixth: The Hag Countess
Lord of the Seventh: Baalzebul the Archduke
Lord of the Eighth: Mephistopheles
Lord of the Ninth: Asmodeus, King of the Nine Hells
Mephistopheles was cool but I totally kicked his demonic rump in Neverwinter Nights. Teach him to strand me in that cold place.
But you can see they were inspired by Dante and the Divine Comedy (which is good) - generally the Abyss and the like are a lot more "out there" (bloody Demogorgon.)
Originally posted by debbiejo
They are propaganda to scare people into the Christian religion... 🙁WITH THE FEAR OF HELL WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.. 😠
The Rich Man and Lazarus (a true account of one man’s experience in Hell)
Luke 16:19-31
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus , full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham , have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham ; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
John 5:43-47
43 I (Jesus the Christ) have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Debbiejo, this sounds nothing like any of the general, unspecific parables that Jesus told. Go back and read all of the parables of Jesus. Not ONCE did Jesus mention a proper name. Jesus was always GENERAL and UNSPECIFIC. But this is the ONE TIME that Jesus is VERY SPECIFIC. That is because this is A TRUE ACCOUNT of one man's experience in Hell (Hades).
WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT HELL (HADES)?
Mark 9:39, 43-48
39 But Jesus said…
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
Jesus talked about Hell so I am satisfied and convinced that it is a literal place of torment.
p.s. now Jesus is speaking metaphorically. Jesus does not want you to cut off any part of your body. Can you see the difference?
THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Old Testament was written in the Hebrew language with some portions in Aramaic. The Hebrew word for Hell is “Sheol.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Sheol (Hell)
07585-sh@'owl {sheh-ole'} or sh@ol {sheh-ole'}
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
a) the underworld
b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1) place of no return
2) without praise of God
3) wicked sent there for punishment
4) righteous not abandoned to it
5) of the place of exile (fig)
6) of extreme degradation in sin
The word Hell is a place of torment no matter which language that it is translated in. Just because in Hebrew the word Hell is translated as Sheol does not negate the existence of Hell, it is just called by another name. For instance, the phrase “United States” is translated as “Los Estados Unidos” in Spanish, but the United States is STILL a literal place. Well, Hell is translated as “Sheol” in the Hebrew language, but Hell is STILL a literal place of torment.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
The New Testament was written in the Greek language. The Greek word for Hell is “Hades.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Hell (Hades)
86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
++++
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.
( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15).
Did you get that Debbiejoe, “The Greek word Hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as Sheol of the Old Testament…” The two words are a reference to the SAME PLACE OF TORMENT, they’re just translated into two different languages.
DID MOSES TALK ABOUT HELL?
Deuteronomy 32:22
For a fire is kindled in My anger,And shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountains
Moses is the author of the first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy).Moses does mention Hell (Sheol) however Moses had an entirely different assignment: to lead God's people from Egypt and then give them the law from God.
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
WHAT DID MOSES SAY ABOUT JESUS?
Deuteronomy 18:15-18
15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
There you have it. Moses declared that God would raise up a Prophet like him, and Him (Jesus) we should hear. Moses referred to Jesus Christ Who was not only a Prophet and Teacher but God in the flesh.
The Lord Jesus Christ is greater than Moses. You see, Moses wrote about Jesus and even talked to Him on the mountain where Christ was transfigured. But, Christ is God in human form, Moses is just a man. Christ Jesus talked about Hell and this is sufficient. I care more about what God says than what man (Moses) says. No disrespect to Moses, he had his place and mission. But God (Jesus Christ) is the Word made flesh. The Bible--the living, Word of God--says that God has spoken to us in these last days by His Son (Jesus).
The Israelites lived under a totally different dispensation (i.e., period of God's dealing with humanity regarding sin). Jesus Christ had not yet come to Earth to die for the sins of the world. Remember,
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
We live in what is commonly referred to as the age of grace. Grace is unmerited, undeserved, mercy extended to us by God. God had appointed a set time when He would send His Son into the world to preach the Kingdom of God and repentance from sin. At the time Moses lived they simply were concerned with keeping God's laws to maintain fellowship and favor with Him. The worst thing for them was getting stoned to death. But under this dispensation of grace now God commands people everywhere to repent from sin and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. That is why Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God and why Moses didn’t. It was not time for that. It was not Moses’ “thrust” or “calling.” God primarily waited until Jesus came on the scene to command people everywhere to REPENT from sins and to turn toward God.
Acts 17:30-31
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man [Jesus Christ] whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
🙂
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Rich Man and Lazarus (a true account of one man’s experience in Hell)Luke 16:19-31
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus , full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham , have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham ; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.John 5:43-47
43 I (Jesus the Christ) have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”Debbiejo, this sounds nothing like any of the general, unspecific parables that Jesus told. Go back and read all of the parables of Jesus. Not ONCE did Jesus mention a proper name. Jesus was always GENERAL and UNSPECIFIC. But this is the ONE TIME that Jesus is VERY SPECIFIC. That is because this is A TRUE ACCOUNT of one man's experience in Hell (Hades).
WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT HELL (HADES)?
Mark 9:39, 43-48
39 But Jesus said…
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’Jesus talked about Hell so I am satisfied and convinced that it is a literal place of torment.
p.s. now Jesus is speaking metaphorically. Jesus does not want you to cut off any part of your body. Can you see the difference?
THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Old Testament was written in the Hebrew language with some portions in Aramaic. The Hebrew word for Hell is “Sheol.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Sheol (Hell)
07585-sh@'owl {sheh-ole'} or sh@ol {sheh-ole'}
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
a) the underworld
b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1) place of no return
2) without praise of God
3) wicked sent there for punishment
4) righteous not abandoned to it
5) of the place of exile (fig)
6) of extreme degradation in sinThe word Hell is a place of torment no matter which language that it is translated in. Just because in Hebrew the word Hell is translated as Sheol does not negate the existence of Hell, it is just called by another name. For instance, the phrase “United States” is translated as “Los Estados Unidos” in Spanish, but the United States is STILL a literal place. Well, Hell is translated as “Sheol” in the Hebrew language, but Hell is STILL a literal place of torment.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
The New Testament was written in the Greek language. The Greek word for Hell is “Hades.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Hell (Hades)
86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell++++
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15).
Did you get that Debbiejoe, “The Greek word Hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as Sheol of the Old Testament…” The two words are a reference to the SAME PLACE OF TORMENT, they’re just translated into two different languages.
DID MOSES TALK ABOUT HELL?
Deuteronomy 32:22
For a fire is kindled in My anger,And shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountainsMoses is the author of the first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy).Moses does mention Hell (Sheol) however Moses had an entirely different assignment: to lead God's people from Egypt and then give them the law from God.
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.WHAT DID MOSES SAY ABOUT JESUS?
Deuteronomy 18:15-18
15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.There you have it. Moses declared that God would raise up a Prophet like him, and Him (Jesus) we should hear. Moses referred to Jesus Christ Who was not only a Prophet and Teacher but God in the flesh.
The Lord Jesus Christ is greater than Moses. You see, Moses wrote about Jesus and even talked to Him on the mountain where Christ was transfigured. But, Christ is God in human form, Moses is just a man. Christ Jesus talked about Hell and this is sufficient. I care more about what God says than what man (Moses) says. No disrespect to Moses, he had his place and mission. But God (Jesus Christ) is the Word made flesh. The Bible--the living, Word of God--says that God has spoken to us in these last days by His Son (Jesus).
The Israelites lived under a totally different dispensation (i.e., period of God's dealing with humanity regarding sin). Jesus Christ had not yet come to Earth to die for the sins of the world. Remember,
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.We live in what is commonly referred to as the age of grace. Grace is unmerited, undeserved, mercy extended to us by God. God had appointed a set time when He would send His Son into the world to preach the Kingdom of God and repentance from sin. At the time Moses lived they simply were concerned with keeping God's laws to maintain fellowship and favor with Him. The worst thing for them was getting stoned to death. But under this dispensation of grace now God commands people everywhere to repent from sin and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. That is why Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God and why Moses didn’t. It was not time for that. It was not Moses’ “thrust” or “calling.” God primarily waited until Jesus came on the scene to command people everywhere to REPENT from sins and to turn toward God.
Acts 17:30-31
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man [Jesus Christ] whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”🙂
Hell is still a VERY REAL and LITERAL PLACE.