Goku vs Pre Crisis Superman

Originally posted by leonheartmm
goku can instantly teleport. and before you say he cant control himself through reflexes. just remeber him stealing master roshi's glasses WHILE teleporting without master roshi finding out. furthermore, pre super sayin frieza was fighting so fast that even at 10 kilometres away, uber humans couldnt comprehend his movement through their 5 sense sor even their 6th sense of sensing ki.

Master Roshi, there's a perceptive guy.

Please, don't start with speed. I'll call Avalon.

its called a minor plot device my friend. to make the story interesting. superman took a galaxy destroying bomb but still gets down when a below asteroid destroying punch hits him? COOL.

intelligence is there to be used. the former example was a plot device. the later was not. if we go by your advice, youd only see planets exploding on dragon ball manga.

Originally posted by llagrok
I know band wagoning is fun, but still :/

When your speed, strength and intelligence is far, far, far, far below your opponents it's kinda hard to win the fight.

Dude I cant pick a winner here, cause I don't know much of Goku.

Just making an example that strength isn't always everything in a fight.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its called a minor plot device my friend. to make the story interesting. superman took a galaxy destroying bomb but still gets down when a below asteroid destroying punch hits him? COOL.

intelligence is there to be used. the former example was a plot device. the later was not. if we go by your advice, youd only see planets exploding on dragon ball manga.

What is called a minor plot device?

Way to dodge all my points though. It's funny to see DBZ fanboys squeal when their beloved characters lose.

call who? the guy who thinks superman travelling from one galaxy to the next in a couple of seconds should be taken as cannon?! GIMME A DAMN BREAK. its already been elaborated that superman can only go below lightspeed and after considerable effort. thats why he ALWAYS loses to flash. the feats of him travelling from the earth to the sun in 8 seconds is about as authentic as him absorbing the blast from the megido warhead or gl's destroying universe busters.

YouTube video

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Some impressive battle feats in the clips...

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Sure. Superman loses because Flash can go lightspeed and he can't.

Originally posted by llagrok
What is called a minor plot device?

Way to dodge all my points though. It's funny to see DBZ fanboys squeal when their beloved characters lose.

says the man who cant get off supe's di_ _ long enough to read my post.

you made no points to begin with. just false testimony{never lifted over 10 tons} which i corrected{lifted over 50 tons in his pre super sayin training}.

if crap talk is your speciality then stick to it as opposed to pretending to have an argument. shouting your mouth off doesnt change the fact that your as out of your league here as you are in this world.

and this is coming form a man who doesnt even LIKE dragon ball. and prefers superman over goku as a better character overall.

lol, why dont you take it up with the creators/old writers. theyl smack you a good one if you say supes can go beyond lightspeed. he is SPECIFICALLY below lightspeed now. one of his many post crisis power downs. cause beyond lightspeed, he could just spin in circles and time travel and the writers desperately wanted to get rid of it. why dont you go to dc's offical site and check out the man of steal's bio.

and yes, flash can also only go AT lightspeed in the normal world. when he goes beyond lightspeed he enters the spead force realm.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
says the man who cant get off supe's di_ _ long enough to read my post.

you made no points to begin with. just false testimony{never lifted over 10 tons} which i corrected{lifted over 50 tons in his pre super sayin training}.

if crap talk is your speciality then stick to it as opposed to pretending to have an argument. shouting your mouth off doesnt change the fact that your as out of your league here as you are in this world.

and this is coming form a man who doesnt even LIKE dragon ball. and prefers superman over goku as a better character overall.

Insults, way of the articulate. I believe this is your second time today, good going!

Goku would have to lift in excess of at least a thousand tons to be anywhere near Superman's strength. You can't even compare them. His instant teleporting is also incredibly overrated. When Superman reacts many, many, many times faster than he does.

Being able to withstand a planet destroying blast isn't a strength feat by the way, even though you tried to pass it off as one. I guess that's how the DBZ guys roll. Since you refuse to accept any of Superman's feats, I'm leaving for tonight.

You can continue this with someone else. Or your clone; Quanchi.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
says the man who cant get off supe's di_ _ long enough to read my post.

I haven't seen such great insults since Jack Harkness posted dur

Originally posted by llagrok
Insults, way of the articulate. I believe this is your second time today, good going!

Goku would have to lift in excess of at least a thousand tons to be anywhere near Superman's strength. You can't even compare them. His instant teleporting is also incredibly overrated. When Superman reacts many, many, many times faster than he does.

Being able to withstand a planet destroying blast isn't a strength feat by the way, even though you tried to pass it off as one. I guess that's how the DBZ guys roll.

oh the IRONY 🙄

the only reason youve even lasted in these forums full of crybabies is because you manage to foul mouth enough for the opposition to think{this guy is hopeless}.

i was referring to his LOWEST strength feat at the time. it was simply to elaborate that your claim of him lifting 10 tons at max was totally false.
which you still have not admitted to. and my expirience tells, never will.

it was also to elaborate the fact that you havent ever seen the anime or read the full manga. as far as the planet destroying blasts go, yes it is a stregth feat. the FORCE blast that you divert with your physical prowess is a strength feat. also, the blast that goku created on namek PUSHED frieza into the ground and displayed BILLIONSof tones of earth. with a radius of 50 kilometres a whole was created much deeper than the ocean floor. it also BROKE frieza's tail.

what you are referring to are ENERGY blasts. and all blasts in dragon ball are both force AND ebergy. furthermore, there are examples of pre super sayin vegeta punching through mountains, if thats not a strength feat, i dont know what is.

and you keep saying that superman reacts MANY MANY times faster than he, but thats just an empty CLAIM, i already TOLD you how fast goku reacted even when he teleported. and yes master rochi is veyr good at detecting ki. and it was simply to elaborate that goku has reflexes enough to keep up with teleportation and even pre super sayin goku could divert thousands of mountain destroying energy blasts from frieza in a second with a single hand, no sweat.

and i can have quite a civil tongue around people who dont start foulmouthing in the first place.

Leon, keep it clean. We're here to debate. You hinder your own argument coming unhinged.

Some evidence from either side wouldn't hurt either.

anyway, were off topic.

for the current topic. pre crisis supes wins. no contest.

I have in fact seen the whole anime, don't make wild claims like that. As for the manga, I've read up the Buu-saga, just after he absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks.

I'll use the same example as I did earlier. Odin is capable of brushing off attacks from the Surfer, who is more than capable of taking out planets. Yes, he can push the blasts away as well. That still doesn't make him capable of moving an entire planet.

Vegeta feats, cool. The man who could easily destroy planets during the Saiyan saga and then when he sacrificed himself to try and stop buu, he only made a small crater. Didn't he completely drain himself when using Final Flash against Cell? Once again only a planet buster. There's some serious lack of continuity in DBZ or just plain logic.

I wonder which it is.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
anyway, were off topic.

for the current topic. pre crisis supes wins. no contest.

superdur

erm, what evidence? concerning the thread. pre crisis superman has more insane feats than the ALAMO. this fight is decided. and im too weary to go to the superman forum and discuss whether current superman can take on every dragon ball gt character simultaneously, with a bunch of cry babies and supe's boyscout buddies.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, what evidence? concerning the thread. pre crisis superman has more insane feats than the ALAMO. this fight is decided. and im too weary to go to the superman forum and discuss whether current superman can take on every dragon ball gt character simultaneously, with a bunch of cry babies and supe's boyscout buddies.

And to believe that we forgot how cool all the DBZ fanboys are.

Go put on your earrings and fusion with your neighbour's dog.