Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Reaction times can be measured by catching a ruler in the real world. Most normal people outside of a comic can do so at somewhere between 10-20 cm drop which roughly equates to a .2 second reaction time - this includes the thought and action in catching said ruler. Even saying that Cap takes no reaction time whatsoever, or time to aim and no time to move to perform the action required to throw the shield, it would require it to traverse the distance between at Mach 7-8 - in which case why bother with the shield when he can just sonic boom them. The fastest any thrown object can travel in the horizontal plane is at the point at which it's thrown. This is to hit your average human in the real world - not trained, honed superheroes. 😐(I'd actually suggest an amendment to the rules regarding the speed of thought - to having a rule about normal reaction time - ill, pr?)
(On an aside Emma Frost, and telepaths in general can interpret a lifetime's worth of information in seconds to minutes - so saying that they don't have superhuman brains is flawed)
What would you suggest X?
Originally posted by SoljerThat's the problem. Had it lost the momentum it'd be easier to believe that the guy wasn't killed. But it hit him with the full force to ricochet off of .. I'm nto entirely sure what it IS ricocheting off of. It doesn't take that much force especially from a heavy blunt metal instrument to kill a guy.
You know...Captain America's shield isn't exactly NORMAL.One of it's special properties is that it can richochet dozens of times without losing momentum...😬.
Originally posted by illadelph12Hmm I'm not entirely certain yet... but the current rule basically relates to the speed of action potentials in myelinated afferents and efferents from the CNS to the periphery iirc. Basically the speed at which messages travel from the brain to the body - but it's not actually the same as the time it takes for 'processing' in the brain.
What would you suggest X?
And the latency of that "thought" is incredibly difficult to define let alone measure.
Visual (and auditory) reaction time however is commonly measured in the manner I mentioned and generally averages about .2-.25 seconds.
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P202/Nervous_System_Physiology/Visual_Reaction.htm
http://www.open2.net/download/labrats/g-force.doc
http://www.euronet.nl/users/fepsy/reac.htm
So maybe a rule about visual/auditory reaction times as opposed to "speed of thought."
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's the problem. Had it lost the momentum it'd be easier to believe that the guy wasn't killed. But it hit him with the full force to ricochet off of .. I'm nto entirely sure what it IS ricocheting off of. It doesn't take that much force especially from a heavy blunt metal instrument to kill a guy.
Cap can throw his shield with varying amounts of force, though.
Enough to just barely hit a switch, snuff out a flame, or enough to dissect a truck's engine block.
Oh, and the 'guy' was Winter Soldier, just for future reference.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm I'm not entirely certain yet... but the current rule basically relates to the speed of action potentials in myelinated afferents and efferents from the CNS to the periphery iirc. Basically the speed at which messages travel from the brain to the body - but it's not actually the same as the time it takes for 'processing' in the brain.And the latency of that "thought" is incredibly difficult to define let alone measure.
Visual reaction time however is commonly measured in the manner I mentioned and generally averages about .2 seconds.
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P202/Nervous_System_Physiology/Visual_Reaction.htm
http://www.open2.net/download/labrats/g-force.docSo maybe a rule about visual reaction times as opposed to "speed of thought."
That may be a good idea. I'll run it by the others.
Originally posted by SoljerMeh, I'll just have to accept it.. the physics are wonky, but eh, its a comic book.
Cap can throw his shield with varying amounts of force, though.Enough to just barely hit a switch, snuff out a flame, or enough to dissect a truck's engine block.
Oh, and the 'guy' was Winter Soldier, just for future reference.
Originally posted by Soljer
As far as why this thread could/should remain open - as has been noted, it's totally within the rules, and it isn't a spite thread in either direction.Plenty have people have been in favour of Harry, plenty have been in favour of Cap. As I said, Harry's a glass cannon - plenty powerful, but with scrawny-teenage-boy-durability.
If he can tag Cap with a single body bind (whatever the hell it's called), or some other disabling-jinx, he should win. If he can't hit Cap before Cap can close the distance/shield throw half a kilometer, Cap would stomp him.
It just depends on which you think is more likely.
As far as shield charms go, I dunno if Harry'd want to put one of those up. I recall it separating two wizards, and preventing spells from going through. I DON'T recall it preventing a mach-speed shield from going through. Harry'd be disabling himself by not being able to fire a spell through a shield charm dealie.
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No The shield charm is just fine, I already posted the description of it early in the page. Protego Tatalum will prevent EVERYTHing from entering a large radious. There are different Protego's in the book. No He would not be preventing himself from fire speels out of the shield, Protego and Protego Totatlum are 2 different spells.
Originally posted by Soljer
Hmmm...where is the *transmute to feather* spell? I must have missed it.The same way I must have missed the *keep captain america away!* spell.
Neither of which he would be able to get off faster than Cap could cave his skull in.
Have you read the thread. You can search Wiki for a complete list of spells if you must.
As I was saying Protego Totalum will "keep cap" away for sure.
As far as turn into a feather its a simple transmutation spell.
Furthermore Im absolutely tickled pink at all this speed talk. Its as if Cap'n america as all of a sudden become the flash rending all foes useless at his speed.
Harry can immediately go invisible and then reak havok from there. With his protection spells up to protect him.
Originally posted by Soljer
It's quite clear, though. Cap can have his shield richochet off of a dozen different things at speeds beyond that which Harry is capable of comprehending, and then smack him in the BACK of the skull. A shield spell is like a 'wall' - not a cocoon.
You are wrong with this statement. It is more like a cacoon. In fact Protego Tatlum is used to protect an entire camp site. So no richochet for caps.
Originally posted by Soljer
But you still haven't pointed out the page number where Harry learned the "Steel/vibranium to feather" spell.
"Transfiguration is some of the most complex and dangerous magic you will learn at Hogwarts. Anyone messing around in my class will leave and not come back. You have been warned."
-- Minerva McGonagall, first lecture to first-years (PS8)
Transfiguration is magic which changes one object into another. It is possible to change inanimate objects into animate ones and vice versa. Some Transfiguration spells alter a part of something, such as changing a person's ears from normal into rabbit ears. At Hogwarts, Transfiguration is taught by Professor McGonagall. Fifty years ago, Albus Dumbledore was the Transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts (CS13).
Originally posted by Soljer
Because Harry was depicted as mediocre at transfiguration. And transfiguring one thing does not instantly mean you can transfigure another - he's NEVER encountered a metal like Cap's shield. It's unique. Harry might be able to do it in a controlled environment with time and practice and study.He'd be entirely unable to do it before his head gets removed from his body by said shield.
rofl never encountered a metal like caps? Transfiguratin does not depend on the type of metal being transformed... it's magic. It just works.
I have read the entire thread and have thought of a few things.
One thing is for certain, Harry can definitely get one spell up during this battle by bet is for a total shield protection which he can do very swiftly.
This shield can only go down if Harry dispels it, or another wizard dispels it. So in all honestly I do not see any possible way for Captain America to kill Harry Potter in this battle as long as he is behind the shield. And here is the kicker. Not only will the shield give Harry perfect protection against Captain America, it will also render Harry Invisible to Captain America. Whole building structures can be protected with this spell, rendering who ever is behind the protection field invisible to the likes of anyone without magic.
Now has everyone forgotten about Harry’s ability to teleport? Yes he can do it it’s called disaperating. I am most certain this will play into Harry’s advantage during this fight.
So what I am saying is. Cap really cannot kill Harry if Harry plays it safe. And Harry CAN pull spells off on him.
Also Harry has multiple times in the last book teleported while invisible. So Captain America is in big trouble.