Harry Potter vs. Captain America

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You really think Captain America can aim, go through the movement required to throw a large metal shield, and that the shield can traverse half a kilometer; all before Cyclops could push a button on his palm, Emma can think "Stop." Sue can think "Bubble." and Zatanna can think "Eid."

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Who else on that list, other the Captain America, has the ability to perceive bullets in slow-motion? No one. Even if I was generous to the other four and said that Captain America's thought process was only twice as fast was theirs... the fact that that though process is coupled with speed and reflexes vastly superior to any of them would be enough for him to beat them on the quick draw. Captain America has a superhuman mind, Sue Richards, Cyclops, Zatanna and Emma Frost do not.

Originally posted by Sparkz
But would that be the first thing Harry even chooses to do?? Cap throwing his sheild is pretty much what we expect but for harry what if decides to use something offensive first and cap dodges and throws the sheild, Hell how do we know Cap won't be able to dodge the expelliamus thing? I'm not sure if you can or not does it levitate the sheild it self or is it just a bolt of magic which knocks it away? cause if its just something to knock it away cap has held onto it while being hit by the likes of Hulk and whatnot...

Yes it knocks it away because that's what the spell does and being hit by the likes of Hulk is inconsequential because this is magic we are talking about, not brute strength.

Wow, this thread is turning out a lot better than I'd initially thought.

Good sh*t Soljer. 👆

This pretty much proves it for cyclops at least,

Cyc's eyes can't interpret the movements of a prime sentinal to the point where he can't even track him.

Wolverine makes short work of him easily and has no problems locking onto his target.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Who else on that list, other the Captain America, has the ability to perceive bullets in slow-motion? No one. Even if I was generous to the other four and said that Captain America's thought process was only twice as fast was theirs... the fact that that though process is coupled with speed and reflexes vastly superior to any of them would be enough for him to beat them on the quick draw. Captain America has a superhuman mind, Sue Richards, Cyclops, Zatanna and Emma Frost do not.

(I'd actually suggest an amendment to the rules regarding the speed of thought - to having a rule about normal reaction time - ill, pr?)

(On an aside Emma Frost, and telepaths in general can interpret a lifetime's worth of information in seconds to minutes - so saying that they don't have superhuman brains is flawed)

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Yes it knocks it away because that's what the spell does and being hit by the likes of Hulk is inconsequential because this is magic we are talking about, not brute strength.

Yes its magic, but is this an actual you will drop your sheild spell and there is no way to stop this, or is this magical energy being used in the manner of physical force to make you drop the sheild. Just because its magic dsnt mean it might not be using brute force...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Reaction times can be measured by catching a ruler in the real world. Most normal people outside of a comic can do so at somewhere between 10-20 cm drop which roughly equates to a .2 second reaction time - this includes the thought and action in catching said ruler. Even saying that Cap takes no reaction time whatsoever, or time to aim and no time to move to perform the action required to throw the shield, it would require it to traverse the distance between at Mach 7-8 - in which case why bother with the shield when he can just sonic boom them. The fastest any thrown object can travel in the horizontal plane is at the point at which it's thrown. This is to hit your average human in the real world - not trained, honed superheroes. 😐

(I'd actually suggest an amendment to the rules regarding the speed of thought - to having a rule about normal reaction time - ill, pr?)

(On an aside Emma Frost, and telepaths in general can interpret a lifetime's worth of information in seconds to minutes - so saying that they don't have superhuman brains is flawed)

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Did you just say that Captain America would need to throw his shield at mach 8 to hit a normal person?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Did you just say that Captain America would need to throw his shield at mach 8 to hit a normal person?

Another hypothetical to save me making any thread. Flash vs Cap, Flash can't start until half a second has passed and has no healing factor. Would Cap beat him on the quickdraw?

There is a difference though. You can catch the ruler .2 seconds because you know its going to fall, more over, you know you are going to drop it with the sole purpose of catching it again. And that is just the reaction speed of your hands/fingers. Maybe Sue could react to Cap's shield in .2 seconds... but thats assuming she sees it coming. Assuming the shield was moving at Mach 1 would her mind even register the shield? If there is no sensory stimuli then why would she react at all? In her mind there would be no need to for it.

On what basis are we assuming that Cap throws at Mach 1? That he constantly breaks the sound barrier when he punches things? 😬

Characters are primed for the fight, they know they're fighting and who they're fighting. Why wouldn't Sue put up a defensive shield, or Emma/Zatanna think "Stop" and "Pots" respectively?

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
On what basis are we assuming that Cap throws at Mach 1? That he constantly breaks the sound barrier when he punches things? 😬

Characters are primed for the fight, they know they're fighting and who they're fighting. Why wouldn't Sue put up a defensive shield, or Emma/Zatanna think "Stop" and "Pots" respectively?

He has thrown his shield to intercept both bullets and missiles, hence mach speeds. As to why it doesn't cause sonic booms? If his shield did break the sound barrier and create a sonic boom, the sound and force would be absorbed by the vibranium component of his shield anyway and no one would know.

I'm banking on the time between the bell ringing, them precieving that the fight has started/Captain America's location and actually thinking "I'll create a shield," will be ample time for Captain America, who will have registered everything at a much greater rate.

Lets agree to disagree though because I don't want to started debating over the facts of mental chronometry. It won't be fun, and I'll have little idea of what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has thrown his shield to intercept both bullets and missiles, hence mach speeds. As to why it doesn't cause sonic booms? If his shield did break the sound barrier and create a sonic boom, the sound and force would be absorbed by the vibranium component of his shield anyway and no one would know.

I'm banking on the time between the bell ringing, them precieving that the fight has started/Captain America's location and actually thinking "I'll create a shield," will be ample time for Captain America.

Intercepting bullets doesn't require Mach speed it requires Pythagoras' theorem. The only thing I've ever seen that would require Mach speed would be the missile feat, which would require such speed that I frankly consider it utterly stupid... although you probably don't.

Meh agree to disagree is fine, but for the record I think Sue would murderize him.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Yes. In the book Harry was told that his mom and dad died by a car crash. Hagrid was in disbelief at this and told Harry that a car crash wouldn't kill great wizards/witches like Harry's parents (superhuman). Harry has also shown superhuman physical features in quidditch matches.

Maybe because great wizards and witches....don't DRIVE cars, for starters?

To answer X - I think that Cap could beat Zatanna, Sue, or Cyclops if they started MUCH closer than half a kilometer.

He beats Harry at half a kilometer, because Harry won't be able to lay a finger on him with ranged attacks, and Cap can always richochet around shield spells - and there is NO way that Harry'll hit the shield while it's in mid-flight.

Originally posted by grey fox
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I've read EVERY book , really what does a NORMAL HUMAN have that can compete with his GENETIC AND PHYSICAL SUPERIOR.

Originally posted by Soljer
Maybe because great wizards and witches....don't DRIVE cars, for starters?

To answer X - I think that Cap could beat Zatanna, Sue, or Cyclops if they started MUCH closer than half a kilometer.

He beats Harry at half a kilometer, because Harry won't be able to lay a finger on him with ranged attacks, and Cap can always richochet around shield spells - and there is NO way that Harry'll hit the shield while it's in mid-flight.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
he could transform caps shield into a feather if he needed to. also he could just make a protection spell that would make it impossible for cap or his shield to penetrate leaving him entirely on the defensive.

Hmmm...where is the *transmute to feather* spell? I must have missed it.

The same way I must have missed the *keep captain america away!* spell.

Neither of which he would be able to get off faster than Cap could cave his skull in.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His wand can shoot for him.

Cap can easily win this. Potter has nothing he can do to save himself.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... How would Harry have enough time to react if Cap can throw his shield at missile speeds? Thats Mach speeds we are talking about. Ridiculous? Maybe but thats how fast Captain America can throw his shield. Do you think he would be able to get the spell off before Captain America has thrown his shield? Captain America can see bullets in slow-mo, his perception and reaction time are through the roof, he is operating on a level that Harry couldn't even dream off. Captain America will have ample time to judge his trajectory, think about what he wants to eat for dinner, wonder if he remember to look his front door and throw his shield before Harry's mind as even registered that bell signalling the fight has rung. If Captain America was Johny Averageman then sure Harry would be able to get a spell off before he was clocked up side the head by a shield but he isn't, he is Captain America.

Understand this, you are completely valid in what you are saying
But on the other hand lets get serious, Captain america isint chucking his shield at light speeds 100% of the time. Not even 30 % of the time. If that were the case he would be the most dangerous superhero on marvel earth

At the minimum, in the time it takes for him to atleast physically TOSS his shield, and for that shield to reach harry would be longer than it would for harry to put up a protection spell. Shield ricochets are obviously going to be difficult for harry to get past as he has no idea how to deal with someone like cap but at the same time the fights not gonna wind up being

"ready, set, go!"

*shield teleports out of caps hand, dents harrys skull in .2 seconds*

thats being a bit excessive

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
More rather I said to hit someone across a distance of 500 metres within .2 seconds i.e. before they'd have time to react/think at all; and under the assumption that it takes Captain America 0 seconds to react himself, and perform the movement required to aim and throw.

Another hypothetical to save me making any thread. Flash vs Cap, Flash can't start until half a second has passed and has no healing factor. Would Cap beat him on the quickdraw?

essentially what i am saying
enough with the cap light speed shield toss