Super Buu vs Thanos

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Who is the narrator? Why should i believe him? What makes him the authority? Beyond his statements, what hard evidence did the narrorator provide? Does he have a spedometer? Does he have a scale? Is he knoweldge of all power sources -- actual and mythical?

If you're serious (not sarcastic) then
1. The narrator is the writer and creator
2. We should believe him because it is his definition and no definition can be wrong to the person who creates it.
3. His authority of showing the narration in the comic.
4. Yes, in his mind
5. Irrelevant. As the only power sources he needs to know are the ones he creates. And remember comic science and real science don't have to agree.

Originally posted by h1a8
First of all, it is given that all these characters don't exist in real life. So everything about them is false. Now you and Creshosk
are obviously misunderstanding each other. That is why you two are not coming to an agreement (along with some earlier fallacies too). What Creshosk is saying is that "talk" isn't good enough to accept as the truth (unless it comes from narration) and Creshosk is not saying that "talk" is automatically false just because of the non-showings. (this is what you think he is saying). But in one aspect you are right, the "talk" can either be true or false depending on what the writer thinks. It just that people can't use it to prove truth. Now it is also given that whoever makes the first claim must prove it. Creshosk is just saying that the proof can't be in the form of "talk" (as you would agree too) for it can be false. Thus making it effectively equivalent (giving same results as) to "trash talking".

In conclusion, one should prove their initial claims but without "talk" as the proof. So since one can only prove a falsity by either finding a counterexample or by assuming the truth of the falsity and logically deducing absurdity from it then it stands that since it isn't proven that DBZ can move light speeds then no one can bring it up as the truth.

And I add my opinion on how the rules of this forum should be.
"A positive is regarded as false until proven to be true". Otherwise many comic debates will not get anywhere and just become a waste of time and energy.

Also any previous fallacy i made should have been erased the moment I submitted that I was not 100 percent certain of light speed activities. This is something Cresh seems to have dodged around and instead attributed it to me lying... I understand him well, he instead has cloudy vision. I do applaud you though for trying to clear things between us.

And to reiterate if cresh is saying talk isnt good enuf I dont know where our argument is becaue I already stated that like 10000 times. I know talk isnt good enough. I am arguing that he really does think that talk and non showing means false 100 percent.

And lastly I am arguing for the persuasive argument. I think it impossible to show many of the feats as being 100 percent true to cresh's degree. His degree as many others (my self included) have pointed out will make everything impossible to show

Originally posted by h1a8
First of all, it is given that all these characters don't exist in real life. So everything about them is false. Now you and Creshosk
are obviously misunderstanding each other. That is why you two are not coming to an agreement (along with some earlier fallacies too). What Creshosk is saying is that "talk" isn't good enough to accept as the truth (unless it comes from narration) and Creshosk is not saying that "talk" is automatically false just because of the non-showings. (this is what you think he is saying). But in one aspect you are right, the "talk" can either be true or false depending on what the writer thinks. It just that people can't use it to prove truth. Now it is also given that whoever makes the first claim must prove it. Creshosk is just saying that the proof can't be in the form of "talk" (as you would agree too) for it can be false. Thus making it effectively equivalent (giving same results as) to "trash talking".

In conclusion, one should prove their initial claims but without "talk" as the proof. So since one can only prove a falsity by either finding a counterexample or by assuming the truth of the falsity and logically deducing absurdity from it then it stands that since it isn't proven that DBZ can move light speeds then no one can bring it up as the truth.

And I add my opinion on how the rules of this forum should be.
"A positive is regarded as false until proven to be true". Otherwise many comic debates will not get anywhere and just become a waste of time and energy.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you're serious (not sarcastic) then
1. The narrator is the writer and creator
2. We should believe him because it is his definition and no definition can be wrong to the person who creates it.
3. His authority of showing the narration in the comic.
4. Yes, in his mind
5. Irrelevant. As the only power sources he needs to know are the ones he creates. And remember comic science and real science don't have to agree.

Yes, this is exactly what im saying. I think you are confused because you havent been current with the disgussion so my post -- to you is out of context. But what you said is only strengthening my point.

And as it has been stated over and over again by extra mission. Talk may not be proof (obviously its not, it's not action) but it does do well with persuasion. If it is impossible to prove something what is the next best thing humans do?

Everyone else can fill in the rest.

And further still back on the trash talk department. If someone makes a claim and it turns out to be false yes the results are the same as trash talking. But we do not KNOW in any of these cases(referring to DBZ now) if the talk was FALSE. But cresh would want to have all believe that because he has said it was trash talk that others must prove that it wasnt or else it was indeed trash talk. Which is utter nonsense

Also H185 -- talk absolutely holds up as evidence if the said character has clearly shown the ability to do similar things. Wolverine claiming he can slice through a tank is definately believable becuase of our understanding of adamentium. If he says he can fire optic blasts out of his eyes, or perhaps slice through a mytholigcal substance -- thats when we need visual proof. Trash talk is almost never ambiguous, otherwise the writer will have failed in his attempt to suggest the character is infact "talking trash" -- and thats just bad writeing.

i used alot of -- 's

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Should I find it funny or sad that these two both say they agree with h1a8 and then turn around and argue against h1a8?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Should I find it funny or sad that these two both say they agree with h1a8 and then turn around and argue against h1a8?

Show me where im argueing with h185

Im bringing him up to speed, and correcting him if he is takeing something out of context.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Should I find it funny or sad that these two both say they agree with h1a8 and then turn around and argue against h1a8?

You should find it strange that you do not understand the notion of Agreement with reservations.

I agreed with most of what he said and have cleared up some of the things I had reservations about.

Is this an alien concept to you?

Addendum: Should I find it funny or sad that the contradictions persist?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Addendum: Should I find it funny or sad that the contradictions persist?

Please point them out
I will happily clear up any confusion. I assure you all "contradictions" are either a gross perversion, misinterpertation or failure to express myself correctly.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Addendum: Should I find it funny or sad that the contradictions persist?

And the statements become more empty.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Please point them out
I will happily clear up any confusion. I assure you all "contradictions" are either a gross perversion, misinterpertation or failure to express myself correctly.

My bets are on non-comprehension, misinterpertation and gross perversion. You stated everything crystal clear.

Anyway, if anyone other than Extramission and Seeqris want to step up to the plate, I'll be more than happy to play ball with them.

At this point its clear they don't care about the truth and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Anyway, if anyone other than Extramission and Seeqris want to step up to the plate, I'll be more than happy to play ball with them.

At this point its clear they don't care about the truth and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Lol. As stated clearly I am not involved in any of your sophistry. You failed to comprehend my posts, accused me of lying, and put words into my mouth. Im waiting for the next valid points to be brought up for discussion as I have already expressed my points and am also quite comfortable that they have held.

So until then.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Anyway, if anyone other than Extramission and Seeqris want to step up to the plate, I'll be more than happy to play ball with them.

At this point its clear they don't care about the truth and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

When faced with Cold Fact, I understand this type of comment.

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I sure as hell hope they're talking to each other, cause I am NOT going to get into a flame war.

"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man." 😛

I don't know why that line popped into my head. ermm

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What?

LoL

Flame war? Last i checked, we were having heated, but professional debate. Odd

People really do need to read a lot more of dragonball z. I would like to make some corrections and majority of them is to soljer. This is like the 90eth time bringing this up. Is is a fact that the ki planets have amazing gravity. Goku was lifting the 40 tons weights on the ki planet. So due to the fact that the ki planet has amazing gravity goku was lifting alot more than you are presuming. Vegita was lifting weights in 500 times earth gravity. Goku was lifting weights in 100 time earths gravity.

To speed. Well goku in the regular dragonball z era stated while fighting tien taking off his weighted close as moving faster than the speed of light. Goku while training with mr popo, again on regular dragonball z was dodging lighting. Krillin, tien, yamcha was racing around the world (as kids) and krillin was running beside a car that was going 200 mph and he left the car in a blitz. Goku as a child was fighting master roshi and spinned around and completely disappeared from any kind of sight and noone was able to see if for a while. Goku as a child was moving so fast that he created 8 after images of himself that was doing different things.

In this episode this is where goku says that he is moving at the speed of light. Cant find the entire fight but i will find it so that you can hear it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjWZejkB_dA&mode=related&search=

Strength. Im not even going to go back to that. I have already told you of some strength feats. By the way. Even though I know for a fact that dbz character has amazing strength, flash dont have any kind of super strength or zoom but wonderwoman and superman said themselves that when they were hit by the two those was some of the hardest punches that they felt.