Originally posted by Soljer
Here you go; the showings I was talking about, and the ones Battlehammer just alluded to. Oh, and it was in Wolverine 50, not 51.http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1929/hulkhealfast1zb6.jpg
"I always thought the Hulks skin was impenetrable - I was wrong."And, their first fight, showing that Logan did indeed cut him repeatedly;
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dam I always make that mistake. My bad.
Someones never heard of Non-canon or Hypberbole.
Shame The Maestro proved it when he regenerated from nothingness....
Unlike Dante's immortality which hasn't even been close to proven....
Tell me, has Dante ever done that? Come back from nothing?
Yeah, didn't think so. His regen is pathetic compared to Hulk's.
Oh and Jon on KMC, a guy I would say knows more about Hulk than you or I, gave a nice case for Logan not cutting Hulk. Even if the claws do cut.
I heard this was a dream sequence. (Where's Wendigo?)
In Hulk #181, Wolverine says he failed to cut the savage Hulk.
In an issue of Claremont/Byrne X-Men, Wolverine referred to his first meeting with the Hulk and said the Hulk was "darn near invulnerable" and all he managed to do was make the Hulk angrier.
In Hulk #340, Wolverine was surprised that he was able to cut the Hulk.
In Wolverine #125, narration attributes the claws piercing savage Hulk's skin to the Hulk's momentum, saying it accomplishes what Wolverine's sinews cannot.
In 6 Hours, the only time Wolverine manages to draw blood is when Hulk grabs the claws. Wolverine's actual attacks produce no blood.
That's not to say that Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk, only that in those instances he was unable to. He has cut the Hulk on other occasions.
Accepting the dream(?) as a retcon is more problematic than than it's worth, imo. In the actual Hulk issue, Wolverine stated outright that the claws did not appear to be cutting the Hulk. In the X-Men issue (with Alpha Flight and Wendigo), Wolverine alluded to his inability to cut Hulk in their first meeting and his surprise in cutting greyskin in IH #340 again supports that he did not believe he'd done any damage.
It's in IH #340 that Wolverine hypothesizes that the Hulk was simply healing too quickly for him to notice it. Possible, but it's the only time I've ever seen that suggested. Perhaps Wolverine is just wrong. He's basing his supposition on being able to cut a less durable Hulk whose healing rate is clearly visible.
So accepting the dream(?) as a retcon means retconning not only the original story but altering the dialogue in two others as well. After all, why would Wolverine say he thought the Hulk's skin was impenetrable if he knew that he was cutting the Hulk all along?
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
In Hulk #181, Wolverine says he failed to cut the savage Hulk.
Also the entire fight was reconnted in wolverine 50.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
In an issue of Claremont/Byrne X-Men, Wolverine referred to his first meeting with the Hulk and said the Hulk was "darn near invulnerable" and all he managed to do was make the Hulk angrier.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
In Hulk #340, Wolverine was surprised that he was able to cut the Hulk.
Lol your own issue contradicts what you have been saying how funny. Read the issue it clearly states logan had in fact cut hulk in there first fight.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
In Wolverine #125, narration attributes the claws piercing savage Hulk's skin to the Hulk's momentum, saying it accomplishes what Wolverine's sinews cannot.
….bone claws wolverine smart guy.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
In 6 Hours, the only time Wolverine manages to draw blood is when Hulk grabs the claws. Wolverine's actual attacks produce no blood.
False Logan had pierced hulk skinn any time he had landed blows. It was the only time in the battle were they were able to recover a sample of the blood.
Also wolverine has cut hulk in a number of other issues. Which if you event try and attempt to say Logan can not cutt hulk I will send so much evidence your way your head will explode.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
That's not to say that Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk, only that in those instances he was unable to. He has cut the Hulk on other occasions.Accepting the dream(?) as a retcon is more problematic than than it's worth, imo. In the actual Hulk issue, Wolverine stated outright that the claws did not appear to be cutting the Hulk. In the X-Men issue (with Alpha Flight and Wendigo), Wolverine alluded to his inability to cut Hulk in their first meeting and his surprise in cutting greyskin in IH #340 again supports that he did not believe he'd done any damage.
It's in IH #340 that Wolverine hypothesizes that the Hulk was simply healing too quickly for him to notice it. Possible, but it's the only time I've ever seen that suggested. Perhaps Wolverine is just wrong. He's basing his supposition on being able to cut a less durable Hulk whose healing rate is clearly visible.
So accepting the dream(?) as a retcon means retconning not only the original story but altering the dialogue in two others as well. After all, why would Wolverine say he thought the Hulk's skin was impenetrable if he knew that he was cutting the Hulk all along?
It was not a dream it even stated to not be a dream if not mistaken.
It was a new found memory, becuase of House of M and it was the actaully story of what happen when the two colided.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also wolverine has cut hulk in a number of other issues. Which if you event try and attempt to say Logan can not cutt hulk I will send so much evidence your way your head will explode.
In WWH during Hulk's fight with Wolverine, Wolverine comes down with a double slash and it fails to pierce Hulk's skin. He later pierces Hulk's skin when he has better leverage after gouging his eyes. This is on panel. You fail.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
It was not a dream it even stated to not be a dream if not mistaken.It was a new found memory, becuase of House of M and it was the actaully story of what happen when the two colided.
I thought that it was a dream about their first meeting. (Where was Wendigo?)
Strange that he wouldn't remember the encounter correctly.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
[B]Did you listen to a word me or soljer stated? In hulk 340 which your self mention. Logan clearly states that he infact had cut the hulk in there first fight, but hulk healed so fast it appeared as if he had not.
That was Wolverine's hypothesis.
What’s the issue number and title.
Uncanny #139
Lol your own issue contradicts what you have been saying how funny. Read the issue it clearly states logan had in fact cut hulk in there first fight.
That was Logan's theory, anyway.
….bone claws wolverine smart guy.
Typo. #145, the issue where the adamantium was restored.
False Logan had pierced hulk skinn any time he had landed blows. It was the only time in the battle were they were able to recover a sample of the blood.
No blood was shown.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtPlay DMC 2, and by the way the story goes by only a demon can kill Sparda and he has beaten Mundus the ruler of the Underworld so as the current DMC story goes he is the strongest demon.
Sparda form is overhyped, its shown no strength feets afaik, speed feets or any other feat imo worthy of it being mentioned, the only fact it seems is some of the powers it has and thats its greater than normal Devil trigger.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Play DMC 2, and by the way the story goes by only a demon can kill Sparda and he has beaten Mundus the ruler of the Underworld so as the current DMC story goes he is the strongest demon.
i have played all the games, the only time from what i remember Dante using Sparda form is in-game, which is limited and also from what i remember he never used sparda form against any enemies in cutscenes/cinematics throughout it either.
only a demon? where does it say that......
Also wolverine has cut hulk in a number of other issues. Which if you event try and attempt to say Logan can not cutt hulk I will send so much evidence your way your head will explode. [/B]
IH #181- No blood shown.
UXM #139- Wolverine says Hulk is nearly invulnerable and all he managed was to anger him.
IH #340- Wolverine is surprised when he cuts greyskin, supporting the original story. Logan theorizes that he had cut Hulk all along but the healing factor masked it.
Wolverine #8- Wolverine never fights Fixit.
MCP #55 & 59- Wolverine is not shown to connect with Fixit.
Wolverine #145- The two times the claws bring blood, Hulk is leaping/running into them. The second time, narration says the Hulk's momentum does what Death's sinews could not.
6 Hours #4- Wolverine's attacks are not shown to bring blood. Only when Hulk is holding the claws is blood drawn.
WWH: XM #2- Wolverine is able to cut the Hulk but later notes that he's having trouble doing so.
Hulk's durability is dynamic like his strength. He may be able to cut Hulk on some occasions but that doesn't mean he will every time.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
That was Wolverine's hypothesis.
……….it was a recont. It was clearly ment to explain that Logan had been cutting Hulk before, but due to hulks healing factor being so fast it appeared as if he was not.
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
That was Logan's theory, anyway.
It clearly being stated as fact……………….
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Typo. #145, the issue where the adamantium was restored.
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
IH #181- No blood shown.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
UXM #139- Wolverine says Hulk is nearly invulnerable and all he managed was to anger him.
Said the same shit about wendigo in that very issue and yet he was still stabbing him. He simply ment it could not give them any lasting damage
Here scan from the issue were he cuts wendigo.
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
MCP #55 & 59- Wolverine is not shown to connect with Fixit.
There also marvel comic issue 61. Were Logan is quite positive that He could cut hulk and actually hesitates for hulks sake
Originally posted by Jonathanos
6 Hours #4- Wolverine's attacks are not shown to bring blood. Only when Hulk is holding the claws is blood drawn.
False the entire fight clearly depicts Logan damaging the hulk. Would you like me to quote the entire issue for you?
Originally posted by Jonathanos
WWH: XM #2- Wolverine is able to cut the Hulk but later notes that he's having trouble doing so.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Hulk's durability is dynamic like his strength. He may be able to cut Hulk on some occasions but that doesn't mean he will every time.
Does not matter any version of Hulk. Logan has and will cut him.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
……….it was a recont. It was clearly ment to explain that Logan had been cutting Hulk before, but due to hulks healing factor being so fast it appeared as if he was not.It clearly being stated as fact……………….
That probably is what was meant but I have two problems with this:
- There still should be blood on the claws. Ignoring the convention of the time not to show blood, Wolverine actually remarks that he was unable to penetrate the Hulk's skin and he saw no indication of the Hulk being cut at any point during the fight.
- The healing factor never has been portrayed as being instantaneous regardless of how angry the Hulk was; instead, whenever Hulk gets cut he's shown healing.
Wolverine also says in the issue that the Hulk is getting harder to hurt so it's also reasonable that Hulk simply was too durable in their first encounter. And with two other encounters remarking or showing Wolverine not having the strength to cut Hulk's skin on his own...
Ya……………
And here Logan is stabbing the hulk
"... a wound now open gets hammered relentlessly..."
Notice that Wolverine is not inflicting new wounds, but attacking one that was already open. And how was the wound created?
"The great beast's own momentum does what the savage horseman's sinews could not..."
…………was reconnted twice. One were it states Logan was cutting hulk and one were it shows Logan cutting hulk. Take your pick.
You realize it makes Wolverine out to be an imbecile to be surprised that he could cut the Hulk if he'd already clearly seen that he could cut the Hulk?
Said the same shit about wendigo in that very issue and yet he was still stabbing him. He simply ment it could not give them any lasting damage
He said Wendigo and Hulk were both darn near invulnerable. Wolverine was able to cut Wendigo in the original encounter and he noted how hard it was for him to hurt Wendigo at all.
In his next meeting with Hulk, Wolverine says he thought Hulk's skin was impenetrable. So Wolverine didn't believe he couldn't give Hulk any lasting damage; he didn't believe he could damage Hulk period.
True though in marvel comics issue 58. mimic who was a clone of Logan though not as good cuts hulk.There also marvel comic issue 61. Were Logan is quite positive that He could cut hulk and actually hesitates for hulks sake
I don't doubt Wolverine would have cut Fixit. I was only recalling their encounters. (I skipped the bone clawed one.)
False the entire fight clearly depicts Logan damaging the hulk. Would you like me to quote the entire issue for you?
Feel free. I have the issue and there's no blood shown when Wolverine attacks. Wolverine was covered in his own blood so I think if Hulk was being cut blood would be shown.
Again harder to damage does not mean he not being damaged. Hell the issue would complete be contradicting it self since well Logan is clearly stabbing Hulk here
I didn't say he wasn't cutting Hulk in that issue.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
That probably is what was meant but I have two problems with this:- There still should be blood on the claws. Ignoring the convention of the time not to show blood, Wolverine actually remarks that he was unable to penetrate the Hulk's skin and he saw no indication of the Hulk being cut at any point during the fight.
- The healing factor never has been portrayed as being instantaneous regardless of how angry the Hulk was; instead, whenever Hulk gets cut he's shown healing.
Wolverine also says in the issue that the Hulk is getting harder to hurt so it's also reasonable that Hulk simply was too durable in their first encounter. And with two other encounters remarking or showing Wolverine not having the strength to cut Hulk's skin on his own...
What the hell don’t you understand about a reconnt? I mean honestly. In there original fight Logan was written not to have cut hulk, but it was reconnt to Logan cutting hulk. What the hell don’t you understand? I mean this is not rocket science here.
Actually hulk healing has been shown numerous times to be instantaneous. I mean he healed from pretty much a skeleton in two panels.
No it not reasonable to assume hulk was to hard to cut when wolverine firmly states he was cutting hulk, but hulk was healing so fast it appeared if he was not.
Also Logan nor lk were written with a healing factor at the time. Hell Logan was actually original a wolverine that evolved into a person. His claws were not even his they were attached to the glove.
This was all reconnt. I mean good god man it not a hard concept.
Really what two other encounters was Logan unable to cut hulks skinn?
Originally posted by Jonathanos
"... a wound [b]now open gets hammered relentlessly..."Notice that Wolverine is not inflicting new wounds, but attacking one that was already open. And how was the wound created?
"The great beast's own momentum does what the savage horseman's sinews could not..." [/B]
Oh wait here Logan head butting hulk and oh look hulks bleed. I mean wolverine head butt must be >>>>>>>his claws
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
He said Wendigo and Hulk were both darn near invulnerable. Wolverine was able to cut Wendigo in the original encounter and he noted how hard it was for him to hurt Wendigo at all.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
In his next meeting with Hulk, Wolverine says he thought Hulk's skin was impenetrable. So Wolverine didn't believe he couldn't give Hulk any lasting damage; he didn't believe he could damage Hulk period.
Ummm why did you bring this up. We were talking about the uncanny x-men reference. Darn near invulnerable and impenetrable are to completely different things. One can mean either extremely durable/ or can heal from almost anything while the other mean one can’t be pierced.
You seem to have trouble with terms and what they actually mean.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't doubt Wolverine would have cut Fixit. I was only recalling their encounters. (I skipped the bone clawed one.)
You also missed another adamatium logan/hulk fight. I try and find scans and Logan easily pierces hulk skinn yet again.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Feel free. I have the issue and there's no blood shown when Wolverine attacks. Wolverine was covered in his own blood so I think if Hulk was being cut blood would be shown.
Difference is Hulk ahd a far superior healing factor at the time. Logan was wearing a white shirt and has red blood. Hulk is green with green blood. The attack logan had taken was far worse then any attack hulk had taken in the fight.
Hell in the fight it clearly shows hulk being damage. Also why would Logan says “ this is gunna be easier then I remember” if he was not cutting hulk?
Your whole reasoning for your points are flawed and incorrect.
