I'm basically in agreement with Newjak. I really don't see what the drama is all about. There are definitely some kinks that may need ironing out, but I don't particularly understand the blanket rejection of the idea by some of the posters.
If people had spent as much time making and/or posting in the comic vs comic threads as they have been complaining about the new rules, then the first page wouldn't be full of all the scary "unfamiliar characters."
Also random non sequitur post above - so not entertaining.
Originally posted by Newjak
You know guys I wasn't planning on posting in the VS section for about another couple of weeks but I feel I have to a little bit.I think people are taking a simple concept and going overboard with it.
1) I want to say the easiest way to implement this is simply make sure it is always a comic book character against a non comic book based character. Make it so any thread that doesn't is closed on sight.
2) For people concerned about not knowing anything about non comic book characters. Aren't there a number of unknown comic characters that people have used in debates. The Authority and Alpha Flight come to mind.
People you're not going to know every character whether it be comic or non comic genre. The only thing you can do and what many people have already done is either don't comment or do some research and learn about the the new characters.3) For everyone worried about spite threads well there are already spite threads with just comic characters hopefully when Spite is identified the poster and readers realize it and move along.
4) For people worried about Fanboys from other Genres. We already have fanboys from comics. Just do what has always been done ignore them.
5) For those people worried about evidence. That isn't going to change only concrete evidence is going to be taken which in all genres exist. Whether it be footage from the games or other means. Remember a number of characters have multiple references including Game manuals, in game actions, or site references.
So all in all this is a change but one that if handled with maturity and class like a number of people on this site like to claim. The integration should be relatively harmless and give it a couple of weeks most people complaining won't even notice the new threads and characters.
So people stop just trying to shoot the idea down. Give it a chance and actually try to help make this forum better and have fun with the new idea. That is what this forum is about.
In short I'm siding with Ill and pr 100% on this.
I don't think this is about not knowing characters or being "worried about evidence" it's about coming onto the versus forum for comic characters and seeing anime and game characters everywhere.
That's why I'd like to say I also agree with the sub forum idea.
Originally posted by RewmacHow do you prove a character's abilities the same way we always did find evidence that supports it 😕
I think nothing should stay. Why? A reason is what Juntai said. How do you prove an anime,game characters abilities? And the other that it really should stay a comic book character forum. All others should go away from here...Where do they make video game versus comic threads I don't care. There should be a mixed section of KMC for this. Only in the last 3 days I've seen too much junk appearing and it's going into chaos. Immature people open stupid threads and these ones lack the creditability (the threads mostly, but some of these users too) and the whole versus forum is nearly looking like a circus show only I can't see the light effects. In other words it something that really isn't good for the VS forums.
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm currently taking an extended break from the Comic Sections. Only I felt this was big enough for me to come back for a day to discuss.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Immature people open stupid threads and these ones lack the creditability (the threads mostly, but some of these users too) and the whole versus forum is nearly looking like a circus show only I can't see the light effects.
Originally posted by The PictThose were just some points people brought up.
I don't think this is about not knowing characters or being "worried about evidence" it's about coming onto the versus forum for [b]comic characters and seeing anime and game characters everywhere.That's why I'd like to say I also agree with the sub forum idea. [/B]
That is why I suggested we always have A comic book character in all matches.
In reality this should be a fun little extra that allows us to take the characters we love from comics and characters we love from other genres and pit them against each other to just have fun. Which is what this forum is and should always be about.
Originally posted by don't shiv
Heres a restriction or two to sate the appettiteAdvertising A restriction to characters used in Brand Building and promotional material in Real Life
Club Mascots... stuff like that.
Club mascots? 😕
I specifically stated in the amendment that only characters of comparable genre and ability to a comic book counterpart could be used in the threads (to alleviate the inevitable Pikachu Vs Batman threads).
Have you guys actually read what changes I've made or are you simply assuming I've made it open season?
Originally posted by NewjakMovie and animated series comic vs have always been allowed, and its never been a problem then as far as I recall. People have always been expected to back up their claims.
How do you prove a character's abilities the same way we always did find evidence that supports it 😕
Originally posted by illadelph12
Please elaborate.
As for elaboration - it's like Juntai said. Mario from Smash Brothers can deflect ANY projectile with his cape - including galactus' eye beams?
The same Mario can ONLY be defeated by BFR. Otherwise, he stays right where he is.
The same Mario takes dozens of slashes from link's sword, and punches from a gorilla a hundred times his size with NO ill effect. Is that accurate?
Or, how about a shooting game - should the main character really be able to take fifteen bullets, just because that's how many times you need to be shot to die?
Or counterstrike, where you can knife a room full of armed guys if you're good enough.
Or Final Fantasy, where you can get shot THOUSANDS of times and not even be effected in the least.
'Feats' based off of game mechanics aren't feats. 😬.
Anyways - the versus subsection is a good idea, in my opinion, but KMC kinda dislikes the Versus forum(s) in general. I dunno if it'd go over.
If it's a possibility, though, it gets my vote!
Originally posted by Newjak
Those were just some points people brought up.That is why I suggested we always have A comic book character in all matches.
In reality this should be a fun little extra that allows us to take the characters we love from comics and characters we love from other genres and pit them against each other to just have fun. Which is what this forum is and should always be about.
A fun little extra? 😬
Have you seen the versus forum the past few days?
Originally posted by Soljer
As for elaboration - it's like Juntai said. Mario from Smash Brothers can deflect ANY projectile with his cape - including galactus' eye beams?The same Mario can ONLY be defeated by BFR. Otherwise, he stays right where he is.
The same Mario takes dozens of slashes from link's sword, and punches from a gorilla a hundred times his size with NO ill effect. Is that accurate?
Or, how about a shooting game - should the main character really be able to take fifteen bullets, just because that's how many times you need to be shot to die?
Or counterstrike, where you can knife a room full of armed guys if you're good enough.
Or Final Fantasy, where you can get shot THOUSANDS of times and not even be effected in the least.
'Feats' based off of game mechanics aren't feats. 😬.
Originally posted by The PictYes I have even though I haven't been posting or coming everyday I still take like 30 minutes to come on and see whats happening.
A fun little extra? 😬Have you seen the versus forum the past few days?
And all I see is the samet hing that I've always seen. Immature posters are going to do immature things.
The thing that has surprised me about this is just how much some people are so willing to drive this idea into the ground without even giving it a proper chance. 😬
Originally posted by ValidusSooooo true...
Not to mention how inconsistent it is when you bring in cut scenes where the character is always 20x more uber. Just look at Metal Gear Solid.
But if we go by what these characters do in their own games, we can also say they die in 2 second from sword lashes...
Originally posted by SoljerAnd I'll use a comic book example. Just because a comic book character has never been beaten or hurt means that we assume nothing can hurt them. Just look at Juggernaut he has taken attacks that have driven Galactus off does that mean we assume Cain can beat Galactus.
As for elaboration - it's like Juntai said. Mario from Smash Brothers can deflect ANY projectile with his cape - including galactus' eye beams?The same Mario can ONLY be defeated by BFR. Otherwise, he stays right where he is.
The same Mario takes dozens of slashes from link's sword, and punches from a gorilla a hundred times his size with NO ill effect. Is that accurate?
Or, how about a shooting game - should the main character really be able to take fifteen bullets, just because that's how many times you need to be shot to die?
Or counterstrike, where you can knife a room full of armed guys if you're good enough.
Or Final Fantasy, where you can get shot THOUSANDS of times and not even be effected in the least.
'Feats' based off of game mechanics aren't feats. 😬.
Anyways - the versus subsection is a good idea, in my opinion, but KMC kinda dislikes the Versus forum(s) in general. I dunno if it'd go over.
If it's a possibility, though, it gets my vote!
Or Captain America's Shield pretty much deflects everything yet we don't assume he can take blasts from Galactus.
Just like has always been done their abilities are going to be judged on how much evidence you can present for them to do so.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yes I have even though I haven't been posting or coming everyday I still take like 30 minutes to come on and see whats happening.And all I see is the samet hing that I've always seen. Immature posters are going to do immature things.
The thing that has surprised me about this is just how much some people are so willing to drive this idea into the ground without even giving it a proper chance. 😬
Maybe because we didn't want it in the first place? I didn't see anyone asking for an integration of the versus forums.
Originally posted by Validus
Not to mention how inconsistent it is when you bring in cut scenes where the character is always 20x more uber. Just look at Metal Gear Solid.
Indeed. Then you get even larger conflicts.
Look at the video game forum arguing about Halo - Can Master Chief do all the stuff he could do in the novels? Could he see bullets in slow motion, and run at fifty miles an hour? If so, why didn't he in game?
Which do we take as 'canon?'