For all those whining like spoiled little kids about "oh noes! this is comics and they're not comics"
What if I was able to find and show comics of different characters? Would you accept it then because hey, they're comics book characters too.
Valiant published some nitendo comics:
Zelda
Mario
For example... guess they're comic book characters too.
Any anime character has Japanese comic books of them too.
Originally posted by RewmacIt is perfectly understandable what you stand for but that doesn't mean you actually have to devote your time to trying to derail it because you don't like it.
It's because even if the rules are changed it's still open season in my opinion. Nevermind our stance even if there is some kind of civil war, I think it's understandable what we stand for.
Just like if you don't like debating about certain characters or power levels you don't. If you don't like it then keep away from it but don't try and run it into the ground before it ever gets started.
Originally posted by RewmacSo dealing with a fanboy about Wolverine is different from dealing with one about Link.
I didn't say it blocked every single fanboy out. But now we are not only dealing with fanboys there are other kinds of people now.
Like all mature debaters for any character they will bring proof about there and characters not just ramblings and as always you can deal with those people.
Originally posted by Newjak
The same way we use feats from Movie versions or Comic versions. 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
And people likie Sentry have clearly defined limits.
I'm sure we've all heard that one before. I mean, theres a reason nobody takes Squirrel Girl threads seriously.
Originally posted by Newjak
Superman who in one comic can take 50 Supernovas and fight on a planet of K-Nite can in another be put down by a small shard of it.
I was all for this idea, until I saw a Harry Potter villian vs. a comic character thread. 👇
I like Harry Potter and all,
But if we can't debate a character for more then a page or so, before we've ran out of "evidence" in which to defend said character(s).... What's the point of making a thread with them in it?
IMO,
If a character has no substance behind them to debate.... They should not be allowed. [The Harry Potter thing was just one instance that came to mind as far as the "all characters being allowed" rule goes].
Originally posted by Newjak
Really so I only imagined xmeat, wolverine8888, and all those other people. You can not block immaturity and we've never been able to.To try and claim so is wrong.
What you are failing to realize, or perhaps just straight up IGNORING, is that with comics only, you had a few marvel fanboys, a few DC fanboys, and maybe even an indie fanboy.
You had wolverine fanboys that knew DICK about DC assuming he could take on Superman. And why not? If you didn't know too much about Superman, I mean, Wolverine can cut the Hulk, take punches from the Hulk, and has tangled with speedsters. How is superman any different?
However, now, you get an influx of people that know very little about comics, but are ADAMANTLY stubborn about knowing ALL THERE IS TO KNOW about *insert anime/game here*.
These types of people exist in larger numbers and are even louder than the DC/Marvel fanboys. Go take a gander at the Video game or the Anime versus threads that are on KMC. Look at the spelling, grammar, and quality of debate.
If it doesn't make you want to tear your eyes out....😕.
And yes, you can claim "But we have fanboys already! Just ignore them like you always have!"
But it's the quantity. The sheer overwhelming quantity. Here in the comics forum we regularly provide evidence, scans, comparisons, logic. We have posts from Spetz or mungi or Jinzin that are so well supported and backed up that you'd think they were trying to get a man off for murder. You half way expect lawyers to be stealing lines out of a Comic versus forum for their closing arguments.
Then stroll over to the anime versus threads where it's "NAH-UH, UR TEH DUM, eh iz liek so muckh mure pwoerfulsz!"
Which is cleverly rebutted by "SHADDAP, I HAD SEX WIT UR MUTHER, N SHE SED GOKU WINZ 2!!!1"
And the saddest part is....
I shit you not. 😐.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then that would be a not very good thread...That doesn't mean it's impossible to have analogous basic mechanics in a non-comic vs comic thread.
Indeed - and I've been trying to make the best of this. I've been both a defender and opponent of the new rules. I'm trying to get this to work, because, in theory, it isn't a bad idea. I just fear the execution.
Guys, guys, guys...
If matches are unfair or spite, or just shouldnt be there for any reason, they will be closed...
fanboys of any kind will be dealt with, sometimes harshly if the situation calls for it...
we're trying to bring in the extra goodness without the extra crap...
Surely some of you have suggestions to help make this transition easier?
Originally posted by ValidusYeah like we've always done it.
Where we specify Movie Superman or JLU Superman and whatnot in the thread title."Let's wait until Sentry gets more feats to say whether he beats Character X"
I'm sure we've all heard that one before. I mean, theres a reason nobody takes Squirrel Girl threads seriously.
So we're going to have a No PIS/CIS rules for videogame characters?
Yet I've seen Sentry vs Galactus threads were there are plenty of people who take the he has "unlimited power" arguement. That fence swings both ways.
Why wouldn't there be PIS/CIS for Video Game characters. The only thing hard about it is determining what is PIS and CIS but we have had to do it over the years for many comic characters. In fact a number of PIS/CIS is still debated from 2 years ago
Originally posted by NewjakThat's also true. But the first 10 threads I see are idiotic immature threads not good comic threads. Even in comic threads you debate with a other people other than fanboys. But in a thread which has no sense from the beginning (video games vs. comics for example) you only see nonsense on a level. I used to see good comic threads and that's why I started to like KMC, because in every normal thread I found a buddy of some sort of and it was fun. But now I can't even enter some threads coz I can only ask myself the question "WTF"
It is perfectly understandable what you stand for but that doesn't mean you actually have to devote your time to trying to derail it because you don't like it.Just like if you don't like debating about certain characters or power levels you don't. If you don't like it then keep away from it but don't try and run it into the ground before it ever gets started.
Originally posted by pr1983
Guys, guys, guys...If matches are unfair or spite, or just shouldnt be there for any reason, they will be closed...
fanboys of any kind will be dealt with, sometimes harshly if the situation calls for it...
we're trying to bring in the extra goodness without the extra crap...
Surely some of you have suggestions to help make this transition easier?
Indeed - a restriction on video game characters who are defined solely by game mechanics.
I don't think that's too bad of an idea.
Also a restriction on totally unrealistic characters (Buggs friggin Bunny? 😬.)
Originally posted by SoljerI have seen those forums.
What you are failing to realize, or perhaps just straight up IGNORING, is that with comics only, you had a few marvel fanboys, a few DC fanboys, and maybe even an indie fanboy.You had wolverine fanboys that knew DICK about DC assuming he could take on Superman. And why not? If you didn't know too much about Superman, I mean, Wolverine can cut the Hulk, take punches from the Hulk, and has tangled with speedsters. How is superman any different?
However, now, you get an influx of people that know very little about comics, but are ADAMANTLY stubborn about knowing ALL THERE IS TO KNOW about *insert anime/game here*.
These types of people exist in larger numbers and are even louder than the DC/Marvel fanboys. Go take a gander at the Video game or the Anime versus threads that are on KMC. Look at the spelling, grammar, and quality of debate.
If it doesn't make you want to tear your eyes out....😕.
And yes, you can claim "But we have fanboys already! Just ignore them like you always have!"
But it's the quantity. The sheer overwhelming quantity. Here in the comics forum we regularly provide evidence, scans, comparisons, logic. We have posts from Spetz or mungi or Jinzin that are so well supported and backed up that you'd think they were trying to get a man off for murder. You half way expect lawyers to be stealing lines out of a Comic versus forum for their closing arguments.
Then stroll over to the anime versus threads where it's "NAH-UH, UR TEH DUM, eh iz liek so muckh mure pwoerfulsz!"
Which is cleverly rebutted by "SHADDAP, I HAD SEX WIT UR MUTHER, N SHE SED GOKU WINZ 2!!!1"
And the saddest part is....
I shit you not. 😐.
And just like anything idiots will be dealt with but not everyone is an idiot and along with the typical immature posters we normally get you'll also get very knowledgeable posters about things and can post good debates as well.
Seriously all I hear you say is they are just going to be retards coming in. If so they will be dealt with just like every other one that has come before them.
Originally posted by RewmacYou know the counter to this make threads that you would like to post in.
That's also true. But the first 10 threads I see are idiotic immature threads not good comic threads. Even in comic threads you debate with a other people other than fanboys. But in a thread which has no sense from the beginning (video games vs. comics for example) you only see nonsense on a level. I used to see good comic threads and that's why I started to like KMC, because in every normal thread I found a buddy of some sort of and it was fun. But now I can't even enter some threads coz I can only ask myself the question "WTF"
