Originally posted by Soljer
Indeed - a restriction on video game characters who are defined solely by game mechanics.I don't think that's too bad of an idea.
Also a restriction on totally unrealistic characters (Buggs friggin Bunny? 😬.)
bugs bunny isnt allowed, and any game characters involved have to be used properly... an all-deflecting mario, or a superhumanly durable solid snake won't be allowed...
Originally posted by Newjak
I have seen those forums.And just like anything idiots will be dealt with but not everyone is an idiot and along with the typical immature posters we normally get you'll also get very knowledgeable posters about things and can post good debates as well.
Seriously all I hear you say is they are just going to be retards coming in. If so they will be dealt with just like every other one that has come before them.
Indeed, and I agree that if the Mods keep the forums locked down tight, this might be workable. I'm not sure which thread it was in, but I said something along the lines of; "Instead of bitching, we should take advantage of these new rules. Make new, interesting, fair, and balanced threads. Set a good example, and make good use of the pros of the change, and let the mods worry about the cons."
Like I mentioned, I've both argued for this change and against it. However, to say that there aren't a hefty amount of problems and kinks to be worked out is just plain ignorant.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah like we've always done it.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yet I've seen Sentry vs Galactus threads were there are plenty of people who take the he has "unlimited power" arguement. That fence swings both ways.
Originally posted by Newjak
Why wouldn't there be PIS/CIS for Video Game characters. The only thing hard about it is determining what is PIS and CIS but we have had to do it over the years for many comic characters. In fact a number of PIS/CIS is still debated from 2 years ago
Originally posted by SoljerSeriously Mechanincs have nothing to do with it. It's common sense to know that somethings are different once you remove the video game element just like somethings change when you remove the comic book element.
Indeed - a restriction on video game characters who are defined solely by game mechanics.I don't think that's too bad of an idea.
Also a restriction on totally unrealistic characters (Buggs friggin Bunny? 😬.)
And seriously is Bugs Bunny anymore unrealistic then Wolverine
Originally posted by Validus
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Originally posted by Juntai
Decent idea but it opened up like a can of worms.
I'm thinking the all character versus forum like this should be a sub-forum inside the comic book versus forum or something, or the other way around. Or maybe versus forum get a brack on the main menu and the two[or more? I couln't think of any more anyone would need.], ranked in as sub-categories.
The comic book forum is just too important for the long time fans who have shared discussed and debated here. Comics vs debating has a certain precision to it being that it's the same format. Easier to compare and analyse characters.
You want to know who would win between Mr Smithers from Simpsons and Samus from Metroid? Sweet. But don't make me have look through it to find what I'm looking for- comic threads.quote: (post)
Originally posted by Juntai
To clarify about the precision involved, is a lot of it lies in proof of ability. Not all formats or characters follow the same format. A lot of the debating has to do with credibility, and show and prove style with scans, explanations, etc.Let's take for example Galactus vs Mario from Smash bros[using Mario as an example because he's already in a thread.]. Let's say Galactus shoots his eye-beams down at Mario. These would level Silver Surfer if they connected, and most other characters. Would Mario simply slap it back with his cape? Since Mario can slap ANY projectile back with his cape? How do you prove it? A youtube video?
And I understand that this can help draw new interest and possibly users from other sections of the site who wouldn't normally come to this section...But the simple truth is, people came to this part of the site to discuss comics, it's been successful because of these comics fans who return day after day, or week to week, depending on the user.
As has already been made clear in this thread, and complaints I see in other threads, is a lack of familiarity with many of the characters, and can cause the main contributors to this section to lose interest. Who will continue to come to the forum that ino longer contains threads that contains two relatable familiar characters?
I believe it's a good idea in theory, and some interesting things might come out of it especially if you're bored with simple comic threads -- I just don't want to have to flip through pages to find the very thing I come to KMC to do, and I feel I'm not alone in this. The only solution I see to those who support both would be the sub-forum idea- which will likely be a popular idea to anyone who reads and considers it. It looks like I've already got a few fans.
As in an old thread I created, I'm cool with a free for all vs. However, I agree with Jun and Vally that it should be in a sub-forum. It just comes off as much tidier when wanting to debate pure comics.
When bored...it's as easy as a click to jump into a much more chaotic (but sometimes fun) sub-forum. The biggest challenge of course, is debating the mechanics behind everything which of course will take time. Youtube gameplay videos should definitely not be used as evidence though.
Originally posted by SoljerI understand what you are saying
Indeed, and I agree that if the Mods keep the forums locked down tight, this might be workable. I'm not sure which thread it was in, but I said something along the lines of; "Instead of bitching, we should take advantage of these new rules. Make new, interesting, fair, and balanced threads. Set a good example, and make good use of the pros of the change, and let the mods worry about the cons."Like I mentioned, I've both argued for this change and against it. However, to say that there aren't a hefty amount of problems and kinks to be worked out is just plain ignorant.
But most of these kinks I've heard are things we already deal with on a typical basis.
Originally posted by NewjakNo kidding, he's not immune to knock out or anything. Or BFR.
Seriously Mechanincs have nothing to do with it. It's common sense to know that somethings are different once you remove the video game element just like somethings change when you remove the comic book element.And seriously is Bugs Bunny anymore unrealistic then Wolverine
Originally posted by pr1983
Guys, guys, guys...If matches are unfair or spite, or just shouldnt be there for any reason, they will be closed...
fanboys of any kind will be dealt with, sometimes harshly if the situation calls for it...
we're trying to bring in the extra goodness without the extra crap...
Surely some of you have suggestions to help make this transition easier?
Bring in the extra goodness?? Really I'm at a loss at what you guys were trying to achieve by changing the rules.
Especially with game characters. I'm an avid gamer but I don't like this merger. In most cases the characters in games are defined by the gamers skill, or in some cases like with an RPG, the amount of time a person took playing a game. Therefora a game character's skill, power levels etc can't be taken seriously.
Originally posted by NewjakMostly what would happen? Closed due to duplicate because instead of posting in it some smartass comes in with a line
You know the counter to this make threads that you would like to post in.
"I already made a hread with these characters"
Or why should I force my versus battles?
Originally posted by pr1983
bugs bunny isnt allowed, and any game characters involved have to be used properly... an all-deflecting mario, or a superhumanly durable solid snake won't be allowed...
I really think all problems would be solved with the sub forum idea but thats just me (and others).
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
As in an old thread I created, I'm cool with a free for all vs. However, I agree with Jun and Vally that it should be in a sub-forum. It just comes off as much tidier when wanting to debate pure comics.When bored...it's as easy as a click to jump into a much more chaotic (but sometimes fun) sub-forum. The biggest challenge of course, is debating the mechanics behind everything which of course will take time. Youtube gameplay videos should definitely not be used as evidence though.
Aye. A sub forum is still the best bet. Most members here are here to debate about comics, they don't want to just debate - but specifically about COMICS.
When the first two pages of the COMIC versus forum are polluted with DBZ vs. Superman threads, it's hard to find a thread....about...comics.
😬.
I've still heard NO problem with the sub forum - I don't think I've heard a single person argue AGAINST it, and I think it should definitely be considered. It'd satisfy EVERYONE - the purists that want just comics, and those that want some variety, and want to be able to bring pokemon, DBZ, ninja turtles, the JLA, the Avengers, and Jackie Chan together in one thread.
well i have read both sides, and i sort of understand where they both come from...i'm against this "integration" but i will give it a shot for now. i say that if this goes to utter hell, there shouldn't be a complete ban on characters, just a sub-forum where this type of "madness" can go one unhitched.
Originally posted by The Pict
Bring in the extra goodness?? Really I'm at a loss at what you guys were trying to achieve by changing the rules.
Especially with game characters. I'm an avid gamer but I don't like this merger. In most cases the characters in games are defined by the gamers skill, or in some cases like with an RPG, the amount of time a person took playing a game. Therefora a game character's skill, power levels etc can't be taken seriously.
gamers skill won't be used in debates... only events within the confines of the stories (and even then, it has to be somewhat plausible) can be allowed...
see, what ill said:
Originally posted by illadelph12
For videogame characters we wouldn't use the in game "playable" versions of the character, it would be the storyline version of the character and their abilities.
Originally posted by ValidusHave you ever used a Movie Spiderman Feat for Comic Spiderman 😉
We have.Plenty? Most Sentry threads never get past page 1 unless it's Vs Superman or another character with plenty of fanboys to keep the chatter going.
PIS and CIS are defined by comic book rules and standards. That's why Spider-Man Vs Firelord is the universal example of it. There's no way you can make that work with video game characters. Partly because they have so few appearances to work with and because the rules are just plain damn different.
The point is what are Sentry's clearly defined levels. Comics have described him without limits, Beating Galactus, Million Exploding Suns. Most often we just use Common Sense to determine he isn't stronger than Superman. We have to do the same thing with characters from other genres.
You do know not every comic book character has a ton of appearances. There are in fact a number of characters that have less than ten appearances or less than 40 yet we still apply PIS/CIS to them based o nthe feats they have done. Why does that change for anything else.