Superman vs Mangog

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to say it like this, theres no proof that superman is stronger then thor or more durable because AGAIN thor never struggled against anything. I also dont consider superman a high herald level character since he is basically a damn brick. If superman is a herald level character then you might as well say that mimic is one also since his powers is comparable to superman. Do you know what kind of power a herald possess, matter manipulate, bring back life, crossing time, stopping time, blowing planets up with a mere blast. creating force fields, creating black holes, etc... basically anything and youre putting superman on there level. Superman powers are limited while the pc procide heralds with unlimited powers. Superman, yes I agree is a powerful character but he is magnitude from being what a herald is. His only da** output of power is his heat vision and ice breathe but I agree that superman would give a herald a fight and could beat some heralds but that still dont make him herald level.

Supeman has the strength and speed to dog walk Thor or any herald.
These two things is all he needs. Remember sufficient speed>>>>omnipotence minus sufficient speed.

Mangog doesn't beat Superman physically since he lacks feats to prove this.

But he can conceivably beat Superman through magic.

Originally posted by h1a8
after it was fired (WW blocked them though). Thus no one has truly dodged a laser. Now only Spiderman has [B]unarguably dodged a bullet after the fire.
CA arguably have done it twice (I can argue that he didn't)
WW arguably have done it once (I can argue that he didn't)
Gambit never done it
Batman never done it
Batgirl never done it
Quicksilver can do it but never was shown (I believe)
Taskmaster never done it
The others you named never done it.

Show me instances in comics whereby we know beyond any doubt that a character moves after a bullet or laser is fired.

Off my head, Shiva catches bullets. Do some research on the rest.

Originally posted by h1a8

Your analogies is grossly faulty. We are arguing what a character can do at the best of their abilities and not who they can beat. Remember I said comic fights hold no water if they contradict the truth. Hulk's strength has stipulations. He starts at base strength (100tons) and not amped. Thanos getting a artifact has nothing to do with the best of his abilities. But you are correct in saying that Superman will use his speed and Strange will stop time.

Sure. SS has energy manipulation on a high enough level to beat two Galactus level beings. Mangog romped through Asgard and beat Odin down. As for hulk, at his best he is capable of smashing an asteroid twice Earth's size, making his highest strength feats above those of Superman. Cut it whichever way you want. That feat still > anything post-crisis Superman has done. Thor has better high end strength feats than post-crisis Superman as well, by lifting the Midgard serpent. Thanos' getting an artifact has everything to do with his abilities. Does the LT hold garage sales for said artifacts? None of these feats show what these characters are. Exceptions do not define a character, but rather define what a character is not. If you insist in carrying on with this logic, however faulty, I will continue to do so as well. None of those feats are PIS, as they are all within powersets, just not within normalcy.

As I mentioned, the most logical way to look at that forum rule is to assume full usage of power sets, and assuming that characters like MM use their full range of abilities.

beating thor like a child is good enough.
i mean, take all the strength feats that thor has performed over the years and know that mangog is superior to them as he beat thor strictly with physical power.

the same thing is applied to doomsday's strength as he never lifted anything other than superman, but you are not disputing his power now are you?

Originally posted by h1a8
Theories are not necessarily the truth. I speak the truth and not theories.

That 1+1 = 1.99 recurring is the truth. That theory-crafting is truth even when previously opposed by feats, the only evidence present to us, is wild hypothesising at best.

Originally posted by h1a8

I don't care if Aunt May beat Hulk in the comics by hitting him with her purse to ko. Thus said fights hold no water. Do you understand?

Clutching at straws. If Aunt May had a powerset which deemed it possible, and even probable that she wins, I would be perfectly fine with it. I would even argue that Aunt May should win if she has already beaten Hulk twice in the past.

Originally posted by h1a8

It says more of my expertise in mainstream comics. I own many Thor comics and have read many Superman comics. Thor is too slow for Superman not to dog walk.

How many times has Superman blitzed an opponent, as compared to his number of appearances? Thor has ftl flight speed. My take on the battle, using your logic, is that Thor flies away while Superman tries to blitz, and then matter manipulates him into stone. Seems stupid, but what works for you works for me as well.

Originally posted by h1a8

PG<fully prepped Strange

Apparently not, since Strange has already lost twice to the PG, once when fully prepped. And no, it wasn't the Thor incident. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Ignorance of feats isn't one either.

mangog vs superman....wtf is aunt may being brought up for?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
mangog vs superman....wtf is aunt may being brought up for?

Simple. He's trying to show that certain feats should not be counted. I agree to a certain extent. Juggernaut getting stuck in concrete is PIS. Sm beating Firelord is PIS. The PG being able to beat Strange isn't, seeing as it has narration/handbook descriptions which give it the power needed, and has already done so twice before on its own.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Show me instances in comics whereby we know beyond any doubt that a character moves after a bullet or laser is fired.

Off my head, Shiva catches bullets. Do some research on the rest.

Sure. SS has energy manipulation on a high enough level to beat two Galactus level beings. Mangog romped through Asgard and beat Odin down. As for hulk, at his best he is capable of smashing an asteroid twice Earth's size, making his highest strength feats above those of Superman. Cut it whichever way you want. That feat still > anything post-crisis Superman has done. Thor has better high end strength feats than post-crisis Superman as well, by lifting the Midgard serpent. Thanos' getting an artifact has everything to do with his abilities. Does the LT hold garage sales for said artifacts? None of these feats show what these characters are. Exceptions do not define a character, but rather define what a character is not. If you insist in carrying on with this logic, however faulty, I will continue to do so as well. None of those feats are PIS, as they are all within powersets, just not within normalcy.

As I mentioned, the most logical way to look at that forum rule is to assume full usage of power sets, and assuming that characters like MM use their full range of abilities.

You don't quite read my posts correctly do you? I said high feats as long as they are not PIS. The asteroid feat by Hulk is PIS. Also Hulk doesn't start off that strong.

Odin is just class 90 so beating him down just requires durability and low class 100 strength. Actually Post-Crisis Superman has a feat that trumps anything PC Superman has ever done. He overpowered thousands of galaxies of force with only a few moment sun-dip.

The Midgard Serpent feat has been debunked (where were you?). The serpent's body was in ethereal form (as said on panel), the boat helped do the pulling, and the official handbook said that only the head materialized. The feat is still incredible though.

And standard equipment only, unless stated otherwise, is the rules of the forum. So Thanos gets no artifact.

mangog destroys superman easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
You don't quite read my posts correctly do you? I said high feats as long as they are not PIS. The asteroid feat by Hulk is PIS. Also Hulk doesn't start off that strong.

Odin is just class 90 so beating him down just requires durability and low class 100 strength. Actually Post-Crisis Superman has a feat that trumps anything PC Superman has ever done. He overpowered thousands of galaxies of force with only a few moment sun-dip.

The Midgard Serpent feat has been debunked (where were you?). The serpent's body was in ethereal form (as said on panel), the boat helped do the pulling, and the official handbook said that only the head materialized. The feat is still incredible though.

And standard equipment only, unless stated otherwise, is the rules of the forum. So Thanos gets no artifact.

As I recall, Hulk has never been seen to lack strength. The fact that his feats were replicated proves this. Feel free to prove me wrong. Using WWh as an example when the latter never lacked the ability to pull off any feat he tried is silly, and the lack of BFR is a question that can be asked of Superman as well. BFRing Doomsday would have given him the win. Where was the BFR?

I was of the opinion that THor lifted the serpent as a cat until it remained on only one foot. Show me where that was ethereal. That's still a lot better than post-crisis Superman's feats. Hercules' labours were canon. Shall we include them and say Hercules is stronger than Superman as well?

Thanos goes and GETS an artifact during prep. He has done so thrice, and while it isn't normal for him, they are his highest prep showings.

I laugh at your statement on Odin. Ignore the fact that he busts galaxies. You talking about warworld? That was with an amp, which isn't being discussed in the topic. Additionally, post-crisis Superman has never come close to replicating that feat, even when he was beaten to death and when citizens were at risk during DoS. PIS, surely?

Originally posted by Ouallada
As I recall, Hulk has never been seen to lack strength. The fact that his feats were replicated proves this. Feel free to prove me wrong. Using WWh as an example when the latter never lacked the ability to pull off any feat he tried is silly, and the lack of BFR is a question that can be asked of Superman as well. BFRing Doomsday would have given him the win. Where was the BFR?

I was of the opinion that THor lifted the serpent as a cat until it reamined on only one foot. That's still a lot better than post-crisis Superman's feats. Hercules' labours were canon. Shall we include them and say Hercules is stronger than Seuperman as well?

What were Hercules labour again and how do you know they are canon?

Thanos goes and GETS an artifact during prep. He has done so thrice, and while it isn't normal for him, they are his highest prep showings.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even the writers of Hulk says that Hulk starts at about 100tons of strength (calm Hulk is 90tons). This is explained why he lost many times to beings exceed his base strength (like Abomination, under water Namor, etc.) Now how fast he can amp is debateble. But that feat hasn't been replicated at all. And all Hulk's other feats do not come close. Even holding a planet together Hulk was very angry at the time.

That wasn't in the comics. But in the myth, Thor only lifted one foot off the ground.

What were Hercules labour again and how do you know they are canon?
Yes he does. But the thread must specify prep. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm only concerned with hulk's feat, and whether or not it is superior. Thunderclapping a dimension, matter/anti-matter (once again, read the feat before trying to disprove something you do not know), cracking Ultron, breaking the Stranger's forcefield and holding the planet together among others are his best strength feats. They come very close to replicating the asteroid feat. Show me Superman's superior feats, or accept that Hulk is capable of much higher feats strengthwise. Whether or not I agree normally is a different story, but I'm simply following your logic/

It was in comics, and however well versed I am with mythology, it doesn't matter here.

Hercules' labours are canon. Go read up on them yourself, especially the Atlas one.

Quanchi would like me to inform you of his pleasure upon seeing that statement.

My question on the PG still stands.

Originally posted by Ouallada

I'm only concerned with hulk's feat, and whether or not it is superior. Thunderclapping a dimension, matter/anti-matter (once again, read the feat before trying to disprove something you do not know), cracking Ultron, breaking the Stranger's forcefield and holding the planet together among others are his best strength feats. They come very close to replicating the asteroid feat. Show me Superman's superior feats, or accept that Hulk is capable of much higher feats strengthwise. Whether or not I agree normally is a different story, but I'm simply following your logic/

Hercules' labours are canon. Go read up on them yourself, especially the Atlas one.

My question on the PG still stands.

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to say it like this, theres no proof that superman is stronger then thor or more durable because AGAIN thor never struggled against anything. I also dont consider superman a high herald level character since he is basically a damn brick. If superman is a herald level character then you might as well say that mimic is one also since his powers is comparable to superman. Do you know what kind of power a herald possess, matter manipulate, bring back life, crossing time, stopping time, blowing planets up with a mere blast. creating force fields, creating black holes, etc... basically anything and youre putting superman on there level. Superman powers are limited while the pc procide heralds with unlimited powers. Superman, yes I agree is a powerful character but he is magnitude from being what a herald is. His only da** output of power is his heat vision and ice breathe but I agree that superman would give a herald a fight and could beat some heralds but that still dont make him herald level.

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Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
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I believe this is what you meant to say ol chum.

The real response.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thunderclapping a dimension is nothing. I can thunderclap this dimension easily. Ultron was reconned to have secondary adamantium when Hulk did this. His other feats don't come anywhere, I mean anywhere, close to the asteroid feat. Also it doesn't matter as Hulk starts with 100 ton strength unless specified.

My statement was that Hulk is capable of being much stronger than Superman, going by his best feat. I don't see why you keep going on about base strength, when I'm referring to something markedly different. I would say accomplishing a feat that Reed thought to impossible, cracking ultron 11 (if you wish, name me other characters who cracked secondary adamantium physically) and the other mentioned feats come close enough. All these are feats that only a handful of other characters can even think about doing.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can I read something I don't have access to? That is why I asked you to tell me how you know (give me issue numbers or scans).

Respect threads are here for a reason. As for whether they are canon, both Marvel and writers have stated that they are indeed canon.

Originally posted by h1a8
The question is invalid since PG<<<<Strange.

Pg 2-0 Strange, and once when Strange was fully prepped. Prove me wrong. Until then, saying PG <<<< Strange holds no water at all.

I'm mostly familiar with the version of Mangog that was under the control of a Thanos clone, does anyone know where I can read the original comics with him in them?

Originally posted by Avlon
I believe this is what you meant to say ol chum.

The real response.

I dont like you.
😠

Just playing but you can be a moron sometime though.

Originally posted by Ouallada
My statement was that Hulk is capable of being much stronger than Superman, going by his best feat. I don't see why you keep going on about base strength, when I'm referring to something markedly different. I would say accomplishing a feat that Reed thought to impossible, cracking ultron 11 (if you wish, name me other characters who cracked secondary adamantium physically) and the other mentioned feats come close enough. All these are feats that only a handful of other characters can even think about doing.

Respect threads are here for a reason. As for whether they are canon, both Marvel and writers have stated that they are indeed canon.

Pg 2-0 Strange, and once when Strange was fully prepped. Prove me wrong. Until then, saying PG <<<< Strange holds no water at all.

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