Superman vs Mangog

Originally posted by h1a8
Note: I stated a stipulation on that statement

"...if the fight contradicts what will happen if they really fought."

For example, if Spiderman can dodge bullets and lasers easily with his speed, reflexes, and SS then he shouldn't get hit by a plain straight punch to the face or by a bouncing cane in the back of the head.

Because everyone and his/her mother can dodge bullets and lasers in comics. Sorry, but it's true.

I believe I have already spoken of how it is logically impossible to exactly replicate levels of performances, especially when there are countless extenuating circumstances. It may be within my skillset to score a soccer goal from thirty yards. Doesn't mean I'm going to replicate it everytime I try. Neither does it mean that I score or miss everytime I try. It also does not mean that I am not trying to the best of my abilities. The only logical thing to do is to use a mean.

Originally posted by Ouallada
And logically, Juggernaut should never be able to hit anything that can fly around as fast as Thor either. The fact of the matter is that Juggernaut is impossible to defeat physically, if we are talking about the classic version. To get a victory, Superman would have to BFR him.

We already know that Mangog can amp himself a la Hulk, overpowered Thor and beat his way through Asgard, has combat speed high enough that the Recorder could not keep up, and is durable enough to shrug off an anti-force blast (Thor's ultimate weapon during that era) and considers Thor's blows to be mosquito bites. A combination of all those factors give us Mangog's physical level as evidenced by his brawls. That is a level higher than Superman's own. Of course, you would insist on using only high showings, in which case my question still stands.

PG > fully prepped Strange.

Anyone with PG >= skyfather even though the PG has lower showings?

Mangog's durability is the only thing that is most likely greater than Superman's. Again, the only things that matter is the magical abilities of Mangog and whether Mangog can return from a BFR. And you should now know that I don't take the outcome of actual fights into consideration if they contradict what will really happen.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Because everyone and his/her mother can dodge bullets and lasers in comics. Sorry, but it's true.

I believe I have already spoken of how it is logically impossible to exactly replicate levels of performances, especially when there are countless extenuating circumstances. It may be within my skillset to score a soccer goal from thirty yards. Doesn't mean I'm going to replicate it everytime I try. Neither does it mean that I score or miss everytime I try. It also does not mean that I am not trying to the best of my abilities. The only logical thing to do is to use a mean.

Spiderman can replicate dodging bullets 10000000000/10000000000 times. The same as Superman can replicate lifting a car any amount of times he wants.

Originally posted by h1a8
Mangog's durability is the only thing that is most likely greater than Superman's. Again, the only things that matter is the magical abilities of Mangog and whether Mangog can return from a BFR. And you should now know that I don't take the outcome of actual fights into consideration if they contradict what will really happen.

You don't take into consideration what you don't want to happen. Same reason that Superman would walk Thor, according to you.

Waiting for my answer to the question.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman can replicate dodging bullets 10000000000/10000000000 times. The same as Superman can replicate lifting a car any amount of times he wants.

Duh. Did I not just mention that practically anyone can dodge bullets and lasers?

Superman lifting a car is replicated because it is far beneath his mean. I can putt a golf ball every single time from 5cm, when my average range is 10 yards. Ask me to make putt from my 95th percentile and up, and the frequency of making the putt falls.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You don't take into consideration what you don't want to happen. Same reason that Superman would walk Thor, according to you.

Waiting for my answer to the question.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Duh. Did I not just mention that practically anyone can dodge bullets and lasers?

Superman lifting a car is replicated because it is far beneath his mean. I can putt a golf ball every single time from 5cm, when my average range is 10 yards. Ask me to make putt from my 95th percentile and up, and the frequency of making the putt falls.

If Spiderman can dodge bullets all the time then he can dodge NC all the time by common sense.

And PG<<<<<Strange all day and all night.
Anyone with PG=a weaker version of themselves.

The PG is only for decoration.

Originally posted by h1a8
Only a very few characters can dodge bullets my friend. You must know that dodging bullets requires getting out of the way after the bullet has already entered the air (and not before). Otherwise you are mistaking it for evasive moving.

If Spiderman can dodge bullets all the time then he can dodge NC all the time by common sense.

Many street level characters can and have done so.

Bullets and lasers are jobbers. Simple as that. It may not be logical as a parallel of reality per se, but a lot of things in comics aren't.

None of this changes the fact that levels of performances cannot be exactly maintained all the time.

Originally posted by h1a8
And PG<<<<<Strange all day and all night.
Anyone with PG=a weaker version of themselves.

The PG is only for decoration.

I hope you understand that PG = power gem, just so we get our acronyms correct.

I'm not going to honour your ignorant statement with a scan. As far as I am concerned, the point behind my question is conceded until you actually know what I am talking about when I say that PG > fully prepped Strange.

Is Superman still walking Thor?

Originally posted by h1a8
And PG<<<<<Strange all day and all night.
Anyone with PG=a weaker version of themselves.

The PG is only for decoration.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Many street level characters can and have done so.

Bullets and lasers are jobbers. Simple as that. It may not be logical as a parallel of reality per se, but a lot of things in comics aren't.

None of this changes the fact that levels of performances cannot be exactly maintained all the time.

And the rules say that characters fight at their best. That means they fight at the highest levels they can (excluding PIS). So maintaining these levels in the fight are forced by the rules.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I hope you understand that PG = power gem, just so we get our acronyms correct.

I'm not going to honour your ignorant statement with a scan. As far as I am concerned, the point behind my question is conceded until you actually know what I am talking about when I say that PG > fully prepped Strange.

Is Superman still walking Thor?

Again comic fights hold no water if they contradict the truth.
Strange>>>Thor with PG. This is the truth. And it has nothing to do with me saying so.

And yes Superman is still walking Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hardly anyone has unarguably dodged a bullet after the fire.
CA has arguably done it about twice and DD batted some (but this is an arguable feat since he used radar to get a bead on the bullet when it was in the chamber). No one in the history has dodged a laser after the fire, not even the great Spidey. So how do lasers job?

And the rules say that characters fight at their best. That means they fight at the highest levels they can (excluding PIS). So maintaining these levels in the fight are forced by the rules.

Cap, Wolverine, Gambit, Batman, Batgirl, Quicksilver, Taskmaster, Cass Cain, Iron Fist, Spider-woman. Characters like BP, Moonknight Slade etc might very well have such feats. I'm sure plenty of characters have dodged bullets and lasers at some point in their career.

You can either be logical and take a balanced view to feats, or we can both play your game. SS is now > two Galactus level beings. Mangog beat Odin in his handful of appearances. Thanos gets an uber artifact in every match in which he has prep. Hulk is stronger than PC Superman. I hope that looks as retarded to you as it does to me. That particular forum rule has always translated to me as a means to enforce that characters use their entire power sets, but still at levels within their established means. That means that Superman can and will use speed, something that he does not always do, and also means that Strange can conceivably stop time, even though he cannot be assumed to do so for more that a couple of matches maximum.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again comic fights hold no water if they contradict the truth.
Strange>>>Thor with PG. This is the truth. And it has nothing to do with me saying so.

And yes Superman is still walking Thor.

Theories hold no truth if they are consistently refuted by feats.

Strange LOST to Thor with the PG. A fully prepped Strange LOST to the PG. Thus, ignoring the PG's lower feats, anyone with the PG is skyfather and above, as a fully prepped Strange would be?

Your fantasy of Superman walking Thor in seconds says enough about your bias, and plenty more about your inability to reason properly here. You're free to prove it though.

Question still stands.

PG > fully prepped Strange.

Anyone with PG >= skyfather?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Theories hold no truth if they are consistently refuted by feats.

Strange LOST to Thor with the PG. A fully prepped Strange LOST to the PG. Thus, ignoring the PG's lower feats, anyone with the PG is skyfather and above, as a fully prepped Strange would be?

Your fantasy of Superman walking Thor in seconds says enough about your bias, and plenty more about your inability to reason properly here. You're free to prove it though.

Question still stands.

PG > fully prepped Strange.

Anyone with PG >= skyfather?

Im going to say it like this, theres no proof that superman is stronger then thor or more durable because AGAIN thor never struggled against anything. I also dont consider superman a high herald level character since he is basically a damn brick. If superman is a herald level character then you might as well say that mimic is one also since his powers is comparable to superman. Do you know what kind of power a herald possess, matter manipulate, bring back life, crossing time, stopping time, blowing planets up with a mere blast. creating force fields, creating black holes, etc... basically anything and youre putting superman on there level. Superman powers are limited while the pc procide heralds with unlimited powers. Superman, yes I agree is a powerful character but he is magnitude from being what a herald is. His only da** output of power is his heat vision and ice breathe but I agree that superman would give a herald a fight and could beat some heralds but that still dont make him herald level.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Cap, Wolverine, Gambit, Batman, Batgirl, Quicksilver, Taskmaster, Cass Cain, Iron Fist, Spider-woman. Characters like BP, Moonknight Slade etc might very well have such feats. I'm sure plenty of characters have dodged bullets and lasers at some point in their career.

You can either be logical and take a balanced view to feats, or we can both play your game. SS is now > two Galactus level beings. Mangog beat Odin in his handful of appearances. Thanos gets an uber artifact in every match in which he has prep. Hulk is stronger than PC Superman. I hope that looks as retarded to you as it does to me. That particular forum rule has always translated to me as a means to enforce that characters use their entire power sets, but still at levels within their established means. That means that Superman can and will use speed, something that he does not always do, and also means that Strange can conceivably stop time, even though he cannot be assumed to do so for more that a couple of matches maximum.

whats all this talk about thor, the power gem, and dr. strange?

get back to mangog river dancing over superman's corpse.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Theories hold no truth if they are consistently refuted by feats.

Strange LOST to Thor with the PG. A fully prepped Strange LOST to the PG. Thus, ignoring the PG's lower feats, anyone with the PG is skyfather and above, as a fully prepped Strange would be?

Your fantasy of Superman walking Thor in seconds says enough about your bias, and plenty more about your inability to reason properly here. You're free to prove it though.

Question still stands.

PG > fully prepped Strange.

Anyone with PG >= skyfather?