Originally posted by h1a8Mangog doesn't overpower Thor a little. He literally stomps on Thor. Thor's only ever beaten Mangog by unleashing a bolt of Anti-Force inside his mouth. Mangog is the literal amalgamation of the hatred of a billion, billion beings.
I don't see Mangog as stronger than Supes.Superman at his best seems a lot lot stronger and just as durable. Mangog overpowering Thor "a little" doesn't butter my muffin since I don't regard Thor anywhere near the physical equal to Superman. The only thing that gives Mangog any consideration in beating Superman is his durability.
And Mangog's durability is off the charts. I find it highly unlikely that Superman would be able to easily shrug off a bolt of anti-force like it was nothing, or withstand an energy weapon capable of destroying a star core.
Originally posted by h1a8I have no idea what you are talking about. Thor has never matched him in strength at his normal power levels so why keep up with this charade.
I have at least 4 thor comics with him in it. You tell me which one shows him having greater strength than Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8Which comics?
The comics show Superman>>>>>Mangog>Thor.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Mangog doesn't overpower Thor a little. He literally stomps on Thor. Thor's only ever beaten Mangog by unleashing a bolt of Anti-Force inside his mouth. Mangog is the literal amalgamation of the hatred of a billion, billion beings.And Mangog's durability is off the charts. I find it highly unlikely that Superman would be able to easily shrug off a bolt of anti-force like it was nothing, or withstand an energy weapon capable of destroying a star core.
Overpowering has only one meaning.
It means to overpower the grip or hold[/b] of someone else, effectively proving than one is stronger than another.
I wouldn't consider Spider-man overpowering Firelord but merely using his speed, spider-sense, and super human pissed off strength to beat him. Hitting a stationary punching bag or comboing someone to ko is not overpowering them.
Energy durability is not the same as blunt force durability. Superman has withstood high level disintegrating beams without any notice yet can get hurt by a superstrength punch. What has the anti force blast ever did to put it on a level that shows Superman couldn't harm Mangog? (Assuming blunt force durability can be equated from energy projection durability)
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have no idea what you are talking about. Thor has never matched him in strength at his normal power levels so why keep up with this charade. Which comics?
I agree Mangog is stronger. But my point is that Thor is not in Superman's league in the strength department. This is like saying since Thing overpowered Spider-man then he is stronger than Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8Why isn't Thor in his league? Give me some evidence that led you to this conclusion.
I agree Mangog is stronger. But my point is that Thor is not in Superman's league in the strength department. This is like saying since Thing overpowered Spider-man then he is stronger than Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8This does nothing to change the fact that Mangog overpowers Thor to such a degree that he literally stomps on Thor. Which is a direct challenge to your assertion that Mangog only overpowers Thor a little. Read what I said again.
Overpowering has only one meaning.
It means to overpower the [b]grip or hold of someone else, effectively proving than one is stronger than another.I wouldn't consider Spider-man overpowering Firelord but merely using his speed, spider-sense, and super human pissed off strength to beat him. Hitting a stationary punching bag or comboing someone to ko is not overpowering them.[/b]
Originally posted by h1a8Pushed back the Juggernaut who's never been stopped by pure physical force? And you've put words into my mouth. You asserted Superman is likely as durable as Mangog. I countered no he's not, because Superman likely cannot shrug off certain attacks. I never said Superman couldn't harm Mangog in the slightest. My original point still stands. Again.
Energy durability is not the same as blunt force durability. Superman has withstood high level disintegrating beams without any notice yet can get hurt by a superstrength punch. What has the anti force blast ever did to put it on a level that shows Superman couldn't harm Mangog? (Assuming blunt force durability can be equated from energy projection durability)
Originally posted by OneDumbG0A little to me is less than 100tons of strength. For example, if you pushed against me with 1000 tons of strength and I pushed against you with 1100 tons of strength then I would be overpowering you with 100 tons which is enough force to send you back faster than mach speeds. If they fall which is easily achieved which only 1 ton of extra force then one can stomp on another till their hearts content.
This does nothing to change the fact that Mangog overpowers Thor to such a degree that he literally stomps on Thor. Which is a direct challenge to your assertion that Mangog only overpowers Thor a little. Read what I said again.
But you are right. Superman probably could not shrug off certain magical attacks as Mangog can. But for the record when durability is mentioned in a forum fight then durability against the opponent at hand is all that matters.
Pushed back the Juggernaut who's never been stopped by pure physical force? And you've put words into my mouth. You asserted Superman is likely as durable as Mangog. I countered no he's not, because Superman likely cannot shrug off certain attacks. I never said Superman couldn't harm Mangog in the slightest. My original point still stands. Again.
Supeman at his best have shrugged off the best of energy type attacks though (from high level disintegrating beams to supernovas to skyfather magic). Now sufficient blunt force durability is everyone's weakness except Juggs (pushing him back has nothing to do with his durability).
Originally posted by h1a8Your comparison is flawed. 1100 tons to 1000 tons is a 10% differential. Being 10% stronger than someone does not equate to being able to curbstomp that person in four blows. That doesn't sound right to me. Which is something Mangog has done to Thor.
A little to me is less than 100tons of strength. For example, if you pushed against me with 1000 tons of strength and I pushed against you with 1100 tons of strength then I would be overpowering you with 100 tons which is enough force to send you back faster than mach speeds. If they fall which is easily achieved which only 1 ton of extra force then one can stomp on another till their hearts content.
Originally posted by h1a8I don't understand your point. Mangog's durability is superior to Superman's. Because he can shrug off attacks as nuisances that would likely hurt Superman a lot. What are you arguing that would change that assertion?
But you are right. Superman probably could not shrug off certain magical attacks as Mangog can. But for the record when durability is mentioned in a forum fight then durability against the opponent at hand is all that matters.Supeman at his best have shrugged off the best of energy type attacks though (from high level disintegrating beams to supernovas to skyfather magic). Now sufficient blunt force durability is everyone's weakness except Juggs (pushing him back has nothing to do with his durability).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your comparison is flawed. 1100 tons to 1000 tons is a 10% differential. Being 10% stronger than someone does not equate to being able to curbstomp that person in four blows. That doesn't sound right to me. Which is something Mangog has done to Thor.
I don't understand your point. Mangog's durability is superior to Superman's. Because he can shrug off attacks as nuisances that would likely hurt Superman a lot. What are you arguing that would change that assertion?
Durability doesn't equate to strength. This is the biggest comic fallacy that many seem to make. Thor going down a few blows tells nothing of Thor's strength but his durability. Juggs is more durable than most but he is not stronger than most.
Mangog's durability is superior to Superman's in general. But in this fight their durability is relatively equal. This is because neither would be subjected to Thor's attacks (anti-force, etc.) but mainly to each others blows. So Mangog's durability to more different types of attacks goes out the window.
Originally posted by h1a8
Durability doesn't equate to strength. This is the biggest comic fallacy that many seem to make. Thor going down a few blows tells nothing of Thor's strength but his durability. Juggs is more durable than most but he is not stronger than most.Mangog's durability is superior to Superman's in general. But in this fight their durability is relatively equal. This is because neither would be subjected to Thor's attacks (anti-force, etc.) but mainly to each others blows. So Mangog's durability to more different types of attacks goes out the window.
Im not even sure exactly what you're talking about but you do seem to be taking the piss. There are exceptions when it comes to durability and strength but by and large the stronger you are the more durable you are and there is consistency.
Class 100s and 80s are stronger and more durable than people in class 10. Luke Cage is more durable than hes strong and can punch above his weight but hes an exception. By and large when you got two bricks fighting each other and one gets pummeled to the ground the victor is stronger. What on earth are you talking about?
Originally posted by h1a8You're conflating concepts and putting words into my mouth. I never said durability equated to strength.
Durability doesn't equate to strength. This is the biggest comic fallacy that many seem to make. Thor going down a few blows tells nothing of Thor's strength but his durability. Juggs is more durable than most but he is not stronger than most.Mangog's durability is superior to Superman's in general. But in this fight their durability is relatively equal. This is because neither would be subjected to Thor's attacks (anti-force, etc.) but mainly to each others blows. So Mangog's durability to more different types of attacks goes out the window.
You're also creating a false distinction. Mangog's durability is superior in general. You've somehow suggested with no reason and quite falsely I might add, that Mangog's superior durability only applies to magic/energy attacks. His ability to tank those attacks doesn't have to do with some specific magical/energy resistance, it has to do with having a stronger physical hide. This has been referred to on-panel. This attribute would also lend itself to blunt force durability.