Superman vs Mangog

Originally posted by h1a8
Point is that if we are to judge how strong or durable someone is by feats alone then Superman wins this hands down.

superman would beat anybody in D.C. if we went by feats alone. But sometimes we need to use common sense. Supes aint winning here.

Originally posted by h1a8
You must be talking about the unwritten comic rules and not about There are more exceptions (like Emma Frost). But to prove a theory wrong only 1 counterexample is needed. Since we have one then the theory 'in general' is wrong. Thus durability doesn't necessarily show strength.

Lastly I'm pretty sure Thing, She-Hulk, etc. has put down stronger bricks before.

Your own quote

"logical sense."

Use it.

I can admit that Superman loses since Mangog does possess magic. But it is not certain that he will beat Superman physically. Now if I felt Superman was about Thor's physical level then I would agree that Mangog stomps Superman. But I don't.

Originally posted by h1a8
Supes have shown strength in the many multi planetary range.
Thor from what I've read has shown strength only in the thousands of tons range (not even in the millions). Assuming only quantifiable feats of course.

show me this multi-planetary feets of strength and no pre-crisis crap pls

Mangog stomp him.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
show me this multi-planetary feets of strength and no pre-crisis crap pls

Well there are at least three feats that show it.

I'll go over the weakest of these three feats and show that it took Superman at least a force of 54 Earths to achieve.

This feat is where he helped tow the Earth with WW and MM (I have a scan if you want to see it).

Here I use:
F=ma and the underestimation of most figures. That means that the true feat was done with more power.

Now the Earth has a mass of about 5.9736E24kg. This is 6.58E21 tons in its own gravity. So lifting the Earth against in its gravity is equivalent to accelerating a 6.58E21 ton object in space at 9.8m/s^2. Now accelerating this mass even faster is equivalent to lifting a heavier object than that of the Earth (since F=ma).

But in space 9.8m/s^2 isn't noticeable, even after a few minutes. So let's assume the three accelerated the Earth at a very small 1 mi/s^2. This is equivalent to lifting a 1.08E24 ton object in Earth's gravity*.

Now let's assume that Superman was pulling with 1/3th of the combined force. This means that he was pulling alone with a force of 3.6E23 tons**.This is equivalent to lifting a combined weight of over 54 Earths in Earth's gravity***.

Now adding in the facts that Superman was pulling with more than 1/3 of the combined force of the three and him pulling against the Sun's gravity/centripetal force and this feat is beyond belief.

Here is the math for those who are still skeptical.

1ton of force =907.185kg of force =8896.44N of force and 1mile =1609.34meters

* F= m x a
= 5.9736E24Kg x (1 mi/s^2) x (1609.34m/1mi)
= 9.61355E27N
= 9.61355E27N x (1ton/8896.44N)
= 1.08E24 tons

** 1/3 of 1.08E24 tons = (1/3) x 1.08E24tons
= 3.6E23tons
*** 3.6E23tons x (1Earth/6.58E21tons) = 54.7 Earths

which is a gross underestimate

Originally posted by h1a8
Well there are at least three feats that show it.

I'll go over the weakest of these three feats and show that it took Superman at least a force of 54 Earths to achieve.

This feat is where he helped tow the Earth with WW and MM (I have a scan if you want to see it).

Here I use:
[B]F=ma and the underestimation of most figures. That means that the true feat was done with more power.

Now the Earth has a mass of about 5.9736E24kg. This is 6.58E21 tons in its own gravity. So lifting the Earth against in its gravity is equivalent to accelerating a 6.58E21 ton object in space at 9.8m/s^2. Now accelerating this mass even faster is equivalent to lifting a heavier object than that of the Earth (since F=ma).

But in space 9.8m/s^2 isn't noticeable, even after a few minutes. So let's assume the three accelerated the Earth at a very small 1 mi/s^2. This is equivalent to lifting a 1.08E24 ton object in Earth's gravity*.

Now let's assume that Superman was pulling with 1/3th of the combined force. This means that he was pulling alone with a force of 3.6E23 tons**.This is equivalent to lifting a combined weight of over 54 Earths in Earth's gravity***.

Now adding in the facts that Superman was pulling with more than 1/3 of the combined force of the three and him pulling against the Sun's gravity/centripetal force and this feat is beyond belief.

Here is the math for those who are still skeptical.

1ton of force =907.185kg of force =8896.44N of force and 1mile =1609.34meters

* F= m x a
= 5.9736E24Kg x (1 mi/s^2) x (1609.34m/1mi)
= 9.61355E27N
= 9.61355E27N x (1ton/8896.44N)
= 1.08E24 tons

** 1/3 of 1.08E24 tons = (1/3) x 1.08E24tons
= 3.6E23tons
*** 3.6E23tons x (1Earth/6.58E21tons) = 54.7 Earths

which is a gross underestimate [/B]

where's the multi-planetary feat? pulling the earth with 2 others does not make a multi-planetary feat.

soooo...this feat though pretty uber isn't a multi-planetary feat..

what else you got?

by the way, you can't use earth's gravity to gets its mass. mass is relative to gravity. hence, the gravity should be the gravitational pull of the sun on the earth which is god knows what.

making all your computations nothing more than mere numbers without substance.

Also, the fact that the lasso was used kind of disqualifies this feat. Basically, we can attribute the lasso's "magic" as the factor that allowed the towing to occur without causing untold damage to the surface of the planet. How can we be sure that the lasso's magic also did not neutralize the gravitational forces that are affecting the Earth (as this needs to be done in order to prevent untold damage to the surface world) in order to make the towing a lot easier?

What I'm trying to say here is: it is retarded to gauge comic book feats via real world science computations especially when comic book magic is factored in.

But more importantly, it is even more retarded to directly attribute (in equal proportion) pulling strength to fighting effectiveness.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
where's the multi-planetary feat? pulling the earth with 2 others does not make a multi-planetary feat.

soooo...this feat though pretty uber isn't a multi-planetary feat..

what else you got?

The math and physics of the feat proves it was multi-planetary. It takes over 160 Earth's of force to accelerate the Earth a mere 1mi/s. Superman was using at least 1/3 of the force (since he is the strongest of the three).

In Justice League of America vol.2 #30
Superman pulls the Earth away from the Sun by his lonesome.
Not only is he pulling against the Sun's gravity (as the Earth was falling into the Sun for everyone to die) but he was pulling against Starbreakers force (a cosmic being which had the power of 1000 red suns). This is definitely multi-planetary strength.

In OWAW, Superman turns the gears of Mageddon, whose size dwarfs the entire Earth moon system. This is definitely multi-planetary strength too.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
by the way, you can't use earth's gravity to gets its mass. mass is relative to gravity. hence, the gravity should be the gravitational pull of the sun on the earth which is god knows what.

making all your computations nothing more than mere numbers without substance.

No! Pulling the Earth at an acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 is equivalent to lifting the Earth in its own gravity. Remember force = mass times acceleration. So if acceleration = g then this is equivalent to weight.

So to calculate the force you need to know mass and acceleration.

To make it simple if we multiply the mass of the Earth by the acceleration they were pulling it (a mere 1mi/s^2) and then divide by 3 (Superman was pulling with 1/3 of the force) then we get my underestimate.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Also, the fact that the lasso was used kind of disqualifies this feat. Basically, we can attribute the lasso's "magic" as the factor that allowed the towing to occur without causing untold damage to the surface of the planet. How can we be sure that the lasso's magic also did not neutralize the gravitational forces that are affecting the Earth (as this needs to be done in order to prevent untold damage to the surface world) in order to make the towing a lot easier?

What I'm trying to say here is: it is retarded to gauge comic book feats via real world science computations especially when comic book magic is factored in.

But more importantly, it is even more retarded to directly attribute (in equal proportion) pulling strength to fighting effectiveness.

The feat is valid as long as the lasso wasn't doing any of the pulling.
Creating a stable barrier is not assisting in the pulling. It is clear that the writer wanted to show that the 3 were supplying 100% of the pulling force.

Originally posted by h1a8
The math and physics of the feat proves it was multi-planetary. It takes over 160 Earth's of force to accelerate the Earth a mere 1mi/s. Superman was using at least 1/3 of the force (since he is the strongest of the three).

In Justice League of America vol.2 #30
Superman pulls the Earth away from the Sun by his lonesome.
Not only is he pulling against the Sun's gravity (as the Earth was falling into the Sun for everyone to die) but he was pulling against Starbreakers force (a cosmic being which had the power of 1000 red suns). This is definitely multi-planetary strength.

In OWAW, Superman turns the gears of Mageddon, whose size dwarfs the entire Earth moon system. This is definitely multi-planetary strength too.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Unless the Green Lantern negates the effects of gravity. In which case... not so much.

All the numbers didn't have the Sun's gravitational pull figured into it.
I only used Mass and Acceleration of the pulling.

But we know these characters don't exist so it isn't a question of whether or not X was happening behind the scenes. All that matters is what is clear and what the writer portrays.

^ In which case, you're assuming your conclusion and assuming Green Lanterns would do nothing to negate the effects of the Sun's gravitational pull on the Earth, despite the versatility of their rings, to fit your narrow measured preconception that they are all equally providing 1/3rd of the pull.

if people wanna use such assumptions as proof then i present you with this

thor being subjected to infinite gravity and still managing to stand up

so F=ma

and thor's m= 640lbs = 290kg or so base on OHOMU

and a=infinite kg/s^2

f=290kg x infinite kg/s^2

then the force being exerted by thor to stand up = infinite

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haha nice!

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Mangog stomp via People's Elbow

a billion, billion people's elbow

Gogogadgetgo you deserve the world's best tasting cookie for that gravity scan. Well done sir or maam.