Actually, let's take a good look at his argument, he stated that Thor's attack was far more powerful than herald level(ones that caused Mangog pain) and hit Mangog in a vulnerable area....that means per h1a8 it took a trans level attack landing in a weak spot to ko Mangog.
Going by h1'a logic, Superman gets destroyed 10/10
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Actually, his logic is that since Thor can hit Mangog with a very powerful trans-level attack in a vulnerable spot, thus the showing proves that the scene, is indeed, Mangog's average...
The only real way to "debate" with h1 is to go down to his level and speak his language. Lemme give it a shot:
Oggah Lamoogah Pooky Scnhooky. Liboro kawaini Poop.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, let's take a good look at his argument, he stated that Thor's attack was far more powerful than herald level(ones that caused Mangog pain) and hit Mangog in a vulnerable area....that means per h1a8 it took a trans level attack landing in a weak spot to ko Mangog.Going by h1'a logic, Superman gets destroyed 10/10
So now you accept it wasn't a low showing but an average one.
Thor's attack was more powerful because he gained momentum into the strike by starting from far back and flying into Mangog. The others struck by starting upclose or from a standstill almost.
Thor hit Mangog in a more vulnerable area and knocked the wind out of him.
My point is that Superman has the power to hurt and ko Mangog.
Superman also has the speed and mobility to see it through.
There are different levels of herald level. Thor was stronger than the others and struck in a more effective way than the others. That is why his result was different.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
That's because; when somebody has the ability to outright beat Odin usually we can assume that the character (mangog) can beat Superman.But...
I'm pretty I've seen you argue that Supes would beat Odin.
Odin has beaten Mangog with ease several times.
Classic Mangog is not the same as current Mangog.
Mangog was never that strong. He was only very durable.
Originally posted by h1a8
So now you accept it wasn't a low showing but an average one.
Thor's attack was more powerful because he gained momentum into the strike by starting from far back and flying into Mangog. The others struck by starting upclose or from a standstill almost.Thor hit Mangog in a more vulnerable area and knocked the wind out of him.
My point is that Superman has the power to hurt and ko Mangog.
Superman also has the speed and mobility to see it through.There are different levels of herald level. Thor was stronger than the others and struck in a more effective way than the others. That is why his result was different.
Odin has beaten Mangog with ease several times.
Classic Mangog is not the same as current Mangog.Mangog was never that strong. He was only very durable.
Just taking a closer look at your argument, I'm willing to accept your stance that it takes a trans-level attack to ko Mangog, assuming it hits a weak spot.
Mangog wins 10/10.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Just taking a closer look at your argument, I'm willing to accept your stance that it takes a trans-level attack to ko Mangog, assuming it hits a weak spot.Mangog wins 10/10.
I wouldn't say a trans level attack since the other herald level beings was causing Mangog pain with their strikes.
beyond a low or mid herald is still a herald.
If lower heralds can cause Mangog pain then how much more force do you think it will be needed to ko Mangog while hitting him in a vulnerable area?
In real life, and even comics, a character has hit a peer or superior in a vulnerable area and koed him. That doesn't mean the attack was above their class.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You said far harder than herald level, that makes it a trans-level attack. Therefore I agree with your stance that it takes a trans-level attack to ko Mangog, assuming it hits a weak spot.Mangog wins 10/10.
I didn't say far harder than herald level. I said far harder than the others.
Herald attacks can range from 100 tons of force to planetary force.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Who according to you were heralds, thus herald level.Therefore Thor's attack was trans-level.
Herald attacks can range from 100 tons of force to planetary force.
So far harder still puts you in herald territory.
Superman is stronger than any herald. I guess he has trans strength (if such a term exists).
Originally posted by ODG
All you have to do is not be such a hypocrite.Nobody said they were equal. And I agree that Superman without mental blocks would dominate Orion.
And Orion releasing all his mental blocks and unleashing the full Astroforce would then be a good match for a no mental block Superman. You don't have to explain why you're backing out of this conversation. It's obvious why.
Nice straw-man. Was it your first? No, wait, of course not. This is just one of many times you end up refusing to argue with what I actually state and instead pretend that an irrelevant witless retort to an imaginary argument you wished I had made serves to save you some sort of face. How's that working out so far?
You should take a chill pill my friend. Relax
Having mental blocks is not the same as holdin back and lawl at Orion holding back vs Superman.
I just don't really understand what is your fixation. If you have any, anyway.
I have been around and just poping here and there and ocassionally having a good debate with someone.
But somehow someway you have to show up bursting veins when I am around. Which is right out sad btw.
Learn this my pompous friend you have opinions I have opinions and if I don't feel like to butt hurt you again you should let it go.
I dont want you to start projecting your "see you in two months" line again is just quite sad, specially in a grown up man. Just let it go, dude, let it go.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI'm perfectly relaxed. Dealing with hypocrites doesn't perturb me. Pointing that out might perturb you, but I just don't care.
You should take a chill pill my friend. RelaxHaving mental blocks is not the same as holdin back and lawl at Orion holding back vs Superman.
I just don't really understand what is your fixation. If you have any, anyway.
Orion doesn't hold back as much as Superman, but he does hold back. And Orion can be a far more ruthless (indeed monstrous) being at his core. A curse of his heritage. He actively works to quell it and even uses Motherbox to help him subdue it. Separate and apart from that, the Astroforce is an incredible source of power, rarely unleashed to its full potential. Feel free to pretend it isn't.
Not on you, that's for sure.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElSame.
I have been around and just poping here and there and ocassionally having a good debate with someone.But somehow someway you have to show up bursting veins when I am around. Which is right out sad btw.
Learn this my pompous friend you have opinions I have opinions and if I don't feel like to butt hurt you again you should let it go.
I dont want you to start projecting your "see you in two months" line again is just quite sad, specially in a grown up man. Just let it go, dude, let it go.
Stop pretending I don't debate with other people. You aren't particularly special. You aren't even the most witless poster I deal with. Which is a sad statement of affairs, but yea.
Learn this my witless hypocrite you can't have it both ways and act like a complete two-face with your reasoning and not expect it to be exposed over and over so you again should let it go or learn to deal with it.
Nobody even cares about that anymore. Why would you bring that up?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, it was our unbiased superman expert, who use to think that red sun hurted kryptonians.He will probable try to use the byrne era scans to show that orion holds bac vs sm. 😂