Superman vs Mangog · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
sneer 😛

Wasn't a potshot at you btw.

H1 just sucks.

I'm not looking for an argument or anything, just letting out my issues with "untold stories" and powerups in general.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Honestly, it just irks me. Past story flashbacks just seem to promote cherry picking to me.
Writer's intent is to write Superman. I doubt many if any account for a weakened one. That goes for many characters in comics.
It just seems more viable to claim pis and move on to me. A powerful Superman or any character is a powerful character at any time, and that's because of the writer, not the timeframe.
For example, OWAW Superman is regarded as tops on the forum, when in comics, he was weaker, possibly much than he was before Flashpoint. But that never gets brought up since OWAW Superman again, is regarded as the most powerful. Which is due to the writing itself, not the timeframe.
But I digress. I'll be doing the same thing with Surfer from now on

Don't think too hard on it. If that was supposed to be "Byrne-era" Superman, then they also have to account for the fact that was "Byrne-era" Orion as well. Who back in the 80s was just about a match for Superman in his early career but whose power apparently grew in modern times to be, again, a match for Superman through to Final Crisis.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wasn't a potshot at you btw.
H1 just sucks.
I'm not looking for an argument or anything, just letting out my issues with "untold stories" and powerups in general.

I know 👆

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by ODG
Don't think too hard on it. If that was supposed to be "Byrne-era" Superman, then they also have to account for the fact that was "Byrne-era" Orion as well. Who back in the 80s was just about a match for Superman in his early career but whose power apparently grew in modern times to be, again, a match for Superman through to Final Crisis.

Yeah, it seems the entire universe grows with Superman.

Except Wonder Woman.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Some do not grow proportionally.

I remember Superman taking elctroshockes from the entrans in JLA and Orion and the league where on their knees while Superman stood up fine.

Superman being a nice guy is often missinterpreted.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ One single isolated instance has little to no bearing on Orion perpetually being a peer to Superman from Superman's early career all the way up to Death of the New Gods.

Superman being a nice guy is an irrelevant non sequitur.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
So in boxing if a one shot occurs then it is a low showing and thus can't happen (but it did).
1. It is where Thor hit Mangog (he knocked the wind out of him)
2. It is how Thor hit him (he hit Mangog with far more force than any hit that Mangog received in the whole comic)
Those two things make it different than normal hits where he didn't koed. Even with those lesser hits Mangog still winced in pain thus proving it is not outside the suspension of disbelief.
Now you would have a point if Thor hit him the same way and in the same location as the other instances.

Are you going to post the feats or not?

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

^2

He is a nice guy, it will be non sequiter if you did not have evidence like OWAW.

And pardon me for picking an "isolated" incident like the one in JLA is not like Orion one shotting Superman is not one of those, right?

Now, if you excuse me. I think this thread has suffered enough for us to star this dance again. 🙂

JakeTheBank Return of the King

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Is this lowballing of Mangog really happening?

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Is this lowballing of Mangog really happening?

Like you would not believe it could happen in here? 😛

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
^2
He is a nice guy, it will be non sequiter if you did not have evidence like OWAW.
And pardon me for picking an "isolated" incident like the one in JLA is not like Orion one shotting Superman is not one of those, right?
Now, if you excuse me. I think this thread has suffered enough for us to star this dance again. 🙂

Being a nice guy has absolutely nothing to do with "Byrne-era" power levels. The variance in his power output between holding back and cutting loose has been a part of his character ever since the beginning. And Superman's not the only character who holds back a deeply dangerous inner fury.

Except nobody's trying to use Orion's one-shotting of Superman with his dick-laser to subvert the notion that Orion and Superman are peers like you were.

You're excused for inelegantly trying to have it both ways.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by ODG
Being a nice guy has absolutely nothing to do with "Byrne-era" power levels. The variance in his power output between holding back and cutting loose has been a part of his character ever since the beginning. And Superman's not the only character who holds back a deeply dangerous inner fury.
Except nobody's trying to use Orion's one-shotting of Superman with his dick-laser to subvert the notion that Orion and Superman are peers like you were.
You're excused for inelegantly trying to have it both ways.

I think that trying to be nice with you does not work.

Ok they are peers, but not equal, specially if Superman goes no mental block restriction.

Then Orion is phuck.

Now as much as I will love to get out of my bed and into my computer, tomorrow I have this date with a girl (not gecko style) and I intend for her to have my full attention.

So if you think Orion one shots any version of Superman 👆 have it your way, who am I to destroy your ideas?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think that trying to be nice with you does not work.
Ok they are peers, but not equal, specially if Superman goes no mental block restriction.
Then Orion is phuck.

All you have to do is not be such a hypocrite.

Nobody said they were equal. And I agree that Superman without mental blocks would dominate Orion.

And Orion releasing all his mental blocks and unleashing the full Astroforce would then be a good match for a no mental block Superman.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Now as much as I will love to get out of my bed and into my computer, tomorrow I have this date with a girl (not gecko style) and I intend for her to have my full attention.
So if you think Orion one shots any version of Superman 👆 have it your way, who am I to destroy your ideas?

You don't have to explain why you're backing out of this conversation. It's obvious why.

Nice straw-man. Was it your first? No, wait, of course not. This is just one of many times you end up refusing to argue with what I actually state and instead pretend that an irrelevant witless retort to an imaginary argument you wished I had made serves to save you some sort of face. How's that working out so far?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....
Is this lowballing of Mangog really happening?

It's h1a8 doing it, so no surprises there.

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ok they are peers, but not equal, specially if Superman goes no mental block restriction.
Then Orion is phuck.

How above sunamped Superman is mental block off Superman?

Since Orion gave sunamped Superman a good fight...

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

First thing first, superman spells out how Orion oneshotted him

"He's surprised me twice".

Are people just comparing Byrne Superman with Modern Superman? Bran's hate has no end it seems. Here's Byrne Superman vs Orion who had to aim around superman so that he doesn't accidently kills superman

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/156640ff.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/f7055213.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/32fa62c9.jpg

Then here superman takes the sucker-shot of astro force from a bloodlusted Orion and completely shrugs it off

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/6514c5a1.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/2ce50179.jpg

Then in DONG he again takes a bloodlusted Orion's astro force attack

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p17.jpg

Then dominates IM in h2h when he goes all out who killed Orion in oneshot

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07b.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07c.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07d.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07e.jpg

Even classic IM was stronger than Orion

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/im_powerstrength1.jpg

Byrne superman was swatted aside by Darkseid

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_031.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_032.jpg

As does this confidential superman