Re: Superman vs Mangog
Originally posted by Mindship
Two scenarios...1. They fight twice. Mangog wins the first round, making Superman realize he's got to give this his all. After some rest, and now having had experience with the monster, Big Blue goes for broke, pulling out every stop like he did with Doomsday. With two massive bursts of energy, he HVs Mangog's head off just long enough to punch it into orbit (or he could just keep pounding Mngg into submission). Mangog dies; Superman goes into cardiac arrest. But this time, the doctors were prepared. They bring just enough kryptonite to "soften" Superman's body so that they can administer human treatment. Supes lives.
Later Superman comments that this was the toughest opponent he had ever faced, almost standing up to everything he had, blah, blah, blah...
2. They're fighting, and Superman realizes that this creature is nigh unbeatable ("I'd like to see Doomsday himself go up against this thing," he thinks). During their fight, great damage to the city is being done; Superman is clearly and steadily being overwhelmed by everything. He flies off to the side to save a bunch of children, though he knows this lowers his guard.
Superman saves the kids. Mangog is about to pound him into the dirt when the monster recoils in pain. "You risk your life to save tiny insects!" it bellows. Superman realizes quickly this kind of selflessness is pure poison to his foe. He stands proudly in Superman stance, allowing the monster to strike if need be, and letting the sheer essence of what he's always stood for, shine and drain Mangog of power. The nobility of the Man of Steel's soul is the strength which now gives him victory. (iirc, it worked for the Surfer)
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Wasn't 616 iirc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk will never ever perform that asteroid feat again (or anything close).
Holding a planet together will be the limit (since this was the maddest he has ever been).
For a person that supposedly argues based on fact, surely you understand that one feat required power, the other strength?
I guess we should arbitrarily eliminate the highest feats of every character unless they repeat said feats every week. Of course, that won't make those feats superlative anymore, but that doesn't bother you, does it?
Originally posted by OualladaHe uses a double standard it seems.
For a person that supposedly argues based on fact, surely you understand that one feat required power, the other strength?I guess we should arbitrarily eliminate the highest feats of every character unless they repeat said feats every week. Of course, that won't make those feats superlative anymore, but that doesn't bother you, does it?
Originally posted by h1a8
And no high showing comes close to even proving that Mangog could even beat Superman.What are his high showings that show he's necessarily stronger or faster than Superman? And anti-force blast is not blunt durability. It is more like energy durability.
Mangog's established power level as per his average > Superman's established power level as per his average. For every superlative feat Superman has, he has a dozen below that of Mangog.
Let's not even start with mangog's high showings. His lowest showing had him thrashing Thor and taking an anti-force blast (Jurgens' ultimate weapon for Thor). Mangog beat Thor physically, so if you do not think that Mangog has superior physical attributes, feel free to elaborate on what caused him to beat Thor, because Thor sure as hell didn't drop Mjolnir on his foot.
The comic described Thor's blows as nothing more than mosquito bites. That enough for physical durability?
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Mangog>>>>a imperex probe.WW's mother's plane (and all of the Amazons equipment) are magical and highly indestructible.
Give Hulk the size and durability of Mangog and he too will beat the sh!t out of Thor.
If you are going to use an imperiex probe as an example for your arguement, the onus is on you to prove that an imperiex probe > Mangog.
WW beat a probe by crashing the plane into it. Only the force of said collision matters. A street level character could beat surfer all day long with an adamantium club. It still won't hurt SS.
What has size got to do with victory? Hank Pym skyfather now?
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk was madder at the end of WW Hulk than the feat you described. You seem to pick and choose who gets to use their abilities at their max level though.
huh?
rule number 1
never butt in on a conversation you know nothing about.
I was referring to Planet Hulk (or WWH) vs. the Hulk that destroyed the asteriod. I was saying that Planet Hulk and WWH were a lot madder and therefore should have been a lot stronger (than asteroid Hulk). But they weren't. That is why Asteroid Hulk is PIS.
I wonder who all brainwashed you guys.
Listen up. Stop being followers.
I hope that breaks up the spell.
Anyway. Superman is stronger than Mangog unless there is proof that he isn't. Being stronger than Thor is not proof to being stronger than Superman. Also, even though he is fast, Mangog has yet to prove he can fight at light speeds.
Originally posted by h1a8
I wonder who all brainwashed you guys.
Listen up. Stop being followers.
I hope that breaks up the spell.Anyway. Superman is stronger than Mangog unless there is proof that he isn't. Being stronger than Thor is not proof to being stronger than Superman. Also, even though he is fast, Mangog has yet to prove he can fight at light speeds.
Proove that galactus is stronger then superman, I havent seen him lift anything, also while youre proving that, show me some scans of it saying that superman is fighting at light speed. Show me superman fighting at light speed. Hes been out for how many years 60 or 70, I know you can show me something saying that he is fighting at the speed of light. You do know what happens to a object once it reaches the speed of light.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
c'mon, anybody can just say prove that doomsday is stronger than superman.you wasted a lot of time arguing that point when beating someone who lifts heavy stuff is good enough to display superior strength.
There are several ways to show Superiority in strength: Lifting more, punching harder, overpowering through wrestling and the like, etc.
Mangog hasn't shown anything (except being stronger than Thor) to place his strength over Superman's. If so, then what is it? I need to know so that I can stop this nonsense I'm believing once and for all. So come on, set me straight. Give me my fix.
Originally posted by h1a8
There are several ways to show Superiority in strength: Lifting more, punching harder, overpowering through wrestling and the like, etc.Mangog hasn't shown anything (except being stronger than Thor) to place his strength over Superman's. If so, then what is it? I need to know so that I can stop this nonsense I'm believing once and for all. So come on, set me straight. Give me my fix.
and what makes you think that superman is stronger then thor. What have thor struggled against that superman could lift. To my knowledge thor has incaculable strength and has never struggled to lift anything.
Originally posted by carver9
Proove that galactus is stronger then superman, I havent seen him lift anything, also while youre proving that, show me some scans of it saying that superman is fighting at light speed. Show me superman fighting at light speed. Hes been out for how many years 60 or 70, I know you can show me something saying that he is fighting at the speed of light. You do know what happens to a object once it reaches the speed of light.
Galactus has different power levels. Galactus does have strength feats that put him over Superman. You didn't know? Remember lifting isn't the only way to show physical strength. Plus Galactus can amp his strength beyond Superman levels anyway (if they aren't beyond them at
x said power level).
And what does Superman fighting at light speed has to do with him being faster than Mangog? Mangog wasn't shown to fight at lightspeed. The only thing that matters is "are Supes speeds feats greater than Mangog's speed feats?"
Originally posted by carver9
and what makes you think that superman is stronger then thor. What have thor struggled against that superman could lift. To my knowledge thor has incaculable strength and has never struggled to lift anything.
We prove who is stronger by feats first. If a character has no said feats in their history then we go on bios (which has the opinions of the writers).
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you can't beat mangog with fists/force to his exterior so it's a moot point. superman has to beat mangog the same way thor did, but the likelihood of heat vision working on mangog is minimal.
Mangog has only 11/14 durability (Demi godlike). Thus he's not indestructible to all physical force.