Originally posted by h1a8
huh?
rule number 1
never butt in on a conversation you know nothing about.
I was referring to Planet Hulk (or WWH) vs. the Hulk that destroyed the asteriod. I was saying that Planet Hulk and WWH were a lot madder and therefore should have been a lot stronger (than asteroid Hulk). But they weren't. That is why Asteroid Hulk is PIS.
Nonsense. That's just akin to saying that several of Superman's high end strength feats should be negated because he couldn't overpower DoS Doomsday in a situation that was critical in every way.
Originally posted by h1a8
I wonder who all brainwashed you guys.
Listen up. Stop being followers.
I hope that breaks up the spell.
Immaterial to this thread. Being a radical doesn't make you right. It simply makes you alone in addition to being wrong.
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway. Superman is stronger than Mangog unless there is proof that he isn't. Being stronger than Thor is not proof to being stronger than Superman. Also, even though he is fast, Mangog has yet to prove he can fight at light speeds.
Show me a situation in which Mangog's physical attributes have not carried him through, because no upper limit can be established on him now. His lowest feats involve him utterly overpowering Thor. Superman's lowest feats involve him failing to catch the daily globe.
If we're just going to take characters' highest feats, fine by me. I then postulate that Hulk > Superman. Superman has never seperated matter and anti-matter, and neither has he destroyed planets twice the size of earth. That's not even using the thunderclap feat.
Mangog was fast enough that the recorder could not keep up. He has also never been shown to lack in speed. Tell me the frequency at which Superman blitzes an opponent in his thousands of appearances, and I will tell you how large of a threat that is.
Originally posted by h1a8that site is old as hell and takes stuff from the ohomu master edition, thats the shittiest one of all, that series gave the most brief histories and power explanations to compensate for the attempt to cram all the characters into it. it still hasn't gotten to the 2000's issues, where mangog beat thor down and took almost everything the god of thunder could muster.
Mangog has only 11/14 durability (Demi godlike). Thus he's not indestructible to all physical force.
and the best part is you "neglected" to post thst his strength is "12/12" incalculable, is't that what you really wanted to find?
last thng, those ratings are based on feats right so back when mangog first came out he displayed major strength so that is why he gets a 12 strength. but the site you quoted from doesn't update the old ratings so the issues where mangog took an anti-force blast in the spine(a beam that can at least ko high heralds) , they would have had his durability at 12/12 as well. he took another anti-force blast in the mouth that led to his defeat, but he was not dead at all. current thor, the one that possesse the odin force was the only one able to rid asgard of the mangog as odin was the one who had the power to effect him.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Nonsense. That's just akin to saying that several of Superman's high end strength feats should be negated because he couldn't overpower DoS Doomsday in a situation that was critical in every way.
Hulk is different, he doesn't have a fixed strength. His strength depends on his anger level. The asteroid Hulk wasn't as angry as WWH or Planet Hulk. Thus he shouldn't have been stronger. So the feat was PIS by stipulation and not just rarity of the feat.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Nonsense. That's just akin to saying that several of Superman's high end strength feats should be negated because he couldn't overpower DoS Doomsday in a situation that was critical in every way.
Hulk is different, he doesn't have a fixed strength. His strength depends on his anger level. The asteroid Hulk wasn't as angry as WWH or Planet Hulk. Thus he shouldn't have been stronger. So the feat was PIS by stipulation and not just rarity of the feat.
Let me ask you something. Could WWH perform that same feat?
Originally posted by fangirl101
i don't know much about mangog, but if it took thor ramming his hammer down his throat with a god blast to kill him, i'd say he is going to beat superman at least 7/10
Im proud of you fangirl, I cant believe it. Good job. I will no longer call you a dc fan with this post alone.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Immaterial to this thread. Being a radical doesn't make you right. It simply makes you alone in addition to being wrong.
Show me a situation in which Mangog's physical attributes have not carried him through, because no upper limit can be established on him now. His lowest feats involve him utterly overpowering Thor. Superman's lowest feats involve him failing to catch the daily globe.
If we're just going to take characters' highest feats, fine by me. I then postulate that Hulk > Superman. Superman has never seperated matter and anti-matter, and neither has he destroyed planets twice the size of earth. That's not even using the thunderclap feat.
Mangog was fast enough that the recorder could not keep up. He has also never been shown to lack in speed. Tell me the frequency at which Superman blitzes an opponent in his thousands of appearances, and I will tell you how large of a threat that is. [/QUOTE]
Trust me, he wont find to many of them, especially any speed blitz that even indicate that superman is blitzing at the speed of light, let alone sound. I would love to see this though because I have been asking for this blitz and fighting combat speed for years.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Immaterial to this thread. Being a radical doesn't make you right. It simply makes you alone in addition to being wrong.
Show me a situation in which Mangog's physical attributes have not carried him through, because no upper limit can be established on him now. His lowest feats involve him utterly overpowering Thor. Superman's lowest feats involve him failing to catch the daily globe.
Hulk's strength is variable. So Saying Hulk is stronger than any class 100 is false in generality. Also, the force of attraction between matter and anti-matter is weaker than atomic force (which can be easily broken by man himself). The strength is approximately electromagnetic force strength.
If we're just going to take characters' highest feats, fine by me. I then postulate that Hulk > Superman. Superman has never seperated matter and anti-matter, and neither has he destroyed planets twice the size of earth. That's not even using the thunderclap feat.
Mangog was fast enough that the recorder could not keep up. He has also never been shown to lack in speed. Tell me the frequency at which Superman blitzes an opponent in his thousands of appearances, and I will tell you how large of a threat that is.
Frequency is insignificant as characters fight to the best of their abilities. Mangog hasn't proven he's faster than Superman thus he is slower.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
that site is old as hell and takes stuff from the ohomu master edition, thats the shittiest one of all, that series gave the most brief histories and power explanations to compensate for the attempt to cram all the characters into it. it still hasn't gotten to the 2000's issues, where mangog beat thor down and took almost everything the god of thunder could muster.and the best part is you "neglected" to post thst his strength is "12/12" incalculable, is't that what you really wanted to find?
last thng, those ratings are based on feats right so back when mangog first came out he displayed major strength so that is why he gets a 12 strength. but the site you quoted from doesn't update the old ratings so the issues where mangog took an anti-force blast in the spine(a beam that can at least ko high heralds) , they would have had his durability at 12/12 as well. he took another anti-force blast in the mouth that led to his defeat, but he was not dead at all. current thor, the one that possesse the odin force was the only one able to rid asgard of the mangog as odin was the one who had the power to effect him.
Again energy projection durability is not physical blunt durability. So resisting the anti-force blast is nothing.
Thor's strength is incalculable too. But Mangog is stronger than him.
And Superman is stronger than him.
The info on Mangogs stats came from the original writers. Mangog is not indestructible as the comic also shows.
Originally posted by h1a8Any other feat performed by any other Hulk could be done by WW Hulk and then some. He was at his strongest and this was stated more than once.
Hulk is different, he doesn't have a fixed strength. His strength depends on his anger level. The asteroid Hulk wasn't as angry as WWH or Planet Hulk. Thus he shouldn't have been stronger. So the feat was PIS by stipulation and not just rarity of the feat.Let me ask you something. Could WWH perform that same feat?
h1a8 has a lot to prove. I have asked him to prove that superman can combat at the speed of light, let alone the speed of sound. I asked him to prove that galactus is stronger then superman since galactus dont have any lifting feats and I would also like for him to show me what gave him the answer of superman being stronger then thor. I want him to show me thor struggling to lift a object that superman can lift.