Originally posted by quanchi112
First off this thread doesnt have to do with strength alone. 😐It seems all you want to talk about is strength and pretty much ignore everything else.
I'm experienced. And through my experience I've discovered that it is better to discuss individual parts of the argument before putting it together. FWIW, I might surprise you, I may very well think (or can prove) that Mangog's durability is possibly greater than Superman's. I might think that Mangog will win the slight majority. You never know.
That is to say that I'm not bias as you might think. I just want the truth to be proven and not just said.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk is different, he doesn't have a fixed strength. His strength depends on his anger level. The asteroid Hulk wasn't as angry as WWH or Planet Hulk. Thus he shouldn't have been stronger. So the feat was PIS by stipulation and not just rarity of the feat.
Superman's greater feats have always come from situations of greater need. If we use that as a determinant, he should be producing warworld levels of strength everytime the need is exigent. It certainly was during DoS. Why wasn't DD BFRed by a punch? Or even overpowered?
Hulk has always been as strong as he needed to be when dealing with earth-based threats. Show me where he hasn't been strong enough to accomplish a certain feat. WWH not hitting people into orbit isn't PIS. It is called sensible writing, the same way DS doesn't simply bust planets everytime he battles the JLA.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk is different, he doesn't have a fixed strength. His strength depends on his anger level. The asteroid Hulk wasn't as angry as WWH or Planet Hulk. Thus he shouldn't have been stronger. So the feat was PIS by stipulation and not just rarity of the feat.Let me ask you something. Could WWH perform that same feat?
Has WWH failed in any strength attempt thus far? Let's not use something silly like saying that hulk should BFR every opponent with a punch, because that would mean that a lot of everybody's feats are PIS.
Originally posted by h1a8
False, it doesn't necessarily make my wrong or alone. But you other statements are correct though.
Seeing as how your arguments have been as airtight as a wizard's sleeve, it certainly makes you wrong by comparison. Your latter statement is correct.
Originally posted by h1a8
False, Mangog didn't necessarily utterly overpower Thor. If I am just a little stronger than you then I can hold you against your strength.
And nearly all class 100s haven't shown any limits to their strength.
That is why we go on feats.
Mangog either did overpower Thor or did not. You cannot "not necessarily" overpower someone. Mangog didn't just hold Thor against his strength did he? The latter was dominated in every single physical manner. The point is that strength or otherwise, THor was dominated in a physical battle, which of course is a culmination of strength, as well as other physical attributes. THat establishes Mangog at a level comparatively higher to Thor even on his lowest showing.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk's strength is variable. So Saying Hulk is stronger than any class 100 is false in generality. Also, the force of attraction between matter and anti-matter is weaker than atomic force (which can be easily broken by man himself). The strength is approximately electromagnetic force strength.
The feat was garbage.
Hulk has a stronger base strength that every earth-based character I can think of, and can reach higher levels that some of the cosmics upon amping through anger. I don't see the falsity in that statement.
I am perfectly aware of how matter/anti-matter react. That isn't the point. The narration, through Reed Richards, stated that matter/anti-matter should be impossible to seperate. It isn't physics that we are speaking of here, but the writer's intention to paint the feat as impossibly difficult.
Originally posted by h1a8
Frequency is insignificant as characters fight to the best of their abilities. Mangog hasn't proven he's faster than Superman thus he is slower.
Frequency is significant, obviously, because according to you, outliers are PIS or deus ex machina if not frequently repeated under similar circumstances.
I'm guessing that in every Thor battle from now on, anyone can simply claim that Thor would use his Godblast and enter WM, even though the total number of times he has done so can be counted with the fingers of a single hand?
Originally posted by h1a8
Again energy projection durability is not physical blunt durability. So resisting the anti-force blast is nothing.
Thor's strength is incalculable too. But Mangog is stronger than him.
And Superman is stronger than him.The info on Mangogs stats came from the original writers. Mangog is not indestructible as the comic also shows.
Having Thor's punches and Mjolnir swings feel like mosquito bites shows physical durability. What have you been reading?
Originally posted by h1a8
He isn't. He is as strong as he wants to be.
Meaning, if he chose to be weaker than Superman then he will be weaker and if he chooses to be stronger then he will be.Prove that Mangog is stronger than Superman.
How is that different from saying that Beyonder is stronger? Superman lowers his strength when dealing with street levels as well. Can I thus argue that Carnage is stronger than Superman because Superman chooses to lower himself?
Originally posted by h1a8Most of the posters who come and give their opinions know full well what they are talking about.
I'm experienced. And through my experience I've discovered that it is better to discuss individual parts of the argument before putting it together. FWIW, I might surprise you, I may very well think (or can prove) that Mangog's durability is possibly greater than Superman's. I might think that Mangog will win the slight majority. You never know.
That is to say that I'm not bias as you might think. I just want the truth to be proven and not just said.
You have to ask yourself when you are the only one. Now while I agree the masses in general can be wrong from time to time its obvious with what Mangog has done that he wipes the floor with Supes. Take a look at his respect thread and come back here and tell me what you think.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe beat Odin. 😐
The easiest way to settle this is to state what Mangog has done in combat to put him above Supes? All i keep reading is beating up Thor but that by itself doesn't necessarily mean he's above Supes. It would be nice to read more about Mangog's combat feats.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Superman's greater feats have always come from situations of greater need. If we use that as a determinant, he should be producing warworld levels of strength everytime the need is exigent. It certainly was during DoS. Why wasn't DD BFRed by a punch? Or even overpowered?Hulk has always been as strong as he needed to be when dealing with earth-based threats. Show me where he hasn't been strong enough to accomplish a certain feat. WWH not hitting people into orbit isn't PIS. It is called sensible writing, the same way DS doesn't simply bust planets everytime he battles the JLA.
And Hulk's strength comes from his anger. This is his stipulation and not Superman's. Classic Samson's stipulation was the length of his hair. And Superman was sundipped when he did the Warworld thing.