Galactus vs Celestials
1) how many Celestials could Galactus defeat, at his absolute best?
2) how many (if any) as he beaten, on panel?
3) could Galactus beat ALL the earth's gods combined?
4) how did Surfer beat Galactus in an alternative universe?
oh and why does it say Odin created the Destroyer, when some say Galactus created it?
1. Not enough info. We've never seen Galactus "at his absolute best".
2. He beat the Black Celestial in one arc, in Earth X, Franklin Richards as Galactus beat a few of them
3. I would be hesistant to say yes, because there are probably a lot of really obscure but super powerful characters on earth.
4. No idea. I know in Last Planet Standing they merged together to become one being.
I've never heard anyone saying Galactus created the Destroyer. He used it as a Herald for a while, but Odin created it.
Re: Galactus vs Celestials
Originally posted by janus77
1) how many Celestials could Galactus defeat, at his absolute best?
2) how many (if any) as he beaten, on panel?
3) could Galactus beat ALL the earth's gods combined?
4) how did Surfer beat Galactus in an alternative universe?oh and why does it say Odin created the Destroyer, when some say Galactus created it?
1) At his absolute best during the black Celestial arc he killed and consumed every Celestial in that universe.
2) On panel he beat every Celestial in the universe during black Celestial arc. In 616 he has not directly fought one yet.
3) Depends on his hunger / power level. On average he would be driven back. If he has prep, in Last Planet Standing he easily took out all of Asgard.
4) The Galactus in Exiles where Surfer was evil was actually a good being. He went around restoring worlds, he was a pacifist.
Odin created the Destroyer, Thor later gave it to Galactus and Galactus used it as a herald briefly.
^ basically then, that confirms Galactus could do that. since nothing intrinsic to galactus was different, in those timelines, right?
no "power ups" added, no weaknesses removed etc etc.
why is Galactus so often depicted as being somewhat weak/lame?
he gets caught up in Thanos' machinations, he gets repulsed by the Fantastic Four, he can't even hold off The Phoenix for very long etc etc.
the Celestials seem comparatively impressive, what little I've seen of them on here.
and thanks both for the correction re The Destroyer.
Re: Galactus vs Celestials
Originally posted by janus77
1) how many Celestials could Galactus defeat, at his absolute best?
2) how many (if any) as he beaten, on panel?
3) could Galactus beat ALL the earth's gods combined?
4) how did Surfer beat Galactus in an alternative universe?oh and why does it say Odin created the Destroyer, when some say Galactus created it?
Celestials>Galactus
Odin created the Destroyer to combat the Celestials. In some of the best Thors written, Odin was said to rival Galactus.
hmm, well that upsets the balance a little.
if Galactus = Odin, then it wouldn't make sense that Galactus could consume all of the Celestials in a universe (a replica of 616 at that), would it?
there's no argument that Celestials >>>>>>> Odin, right?
any on-panel victories to the Celestials, over Galactus?
Originally posted by janus77
hmm, well that upsets the balance a little.
if Galactus = Odin, then it wouldn't make sense that Galactus could consume all of the Celestials in a universe (a replica of 616 at that), would it?there's no argument that Celestials >>>>>>> Odin, right?
any on-panel victories to the Celestials, over Galactus?
I know guy will have his say, now I will also put mine in 🙂
Odin was one of the top cosmics for a while...in the early 70's and such. Since then more and more emphasis has been placed on Galactus' power. Recent issues of annihilation, which came out last year, have stated that galactus is "the most powerful creature in the universe."
in the black celestial arc, reed stated on panel that the entire celestial host would be totally doomed if galactus were not stopped.
celestials have no on-panel victories over galactus. if there is a conflict between the two (a la earth x) galactus is shown to prevail.
IMO, galactus>1 celestial, no matter if arishem, exitar, OAA, or tiamut.
the entire celestial host would probably be > galactus. However, Galactus at his "absolute best" as you mentioned in your original post, has vast, enormous powers that make him "one with the universe" and total molecular control (though not on the grand scope of molecule man) of his environment (as stated to what happened to doom in secret wars...and that wasn't even all the power galactus was ready to consume). "one with the universe" makes him equal to Eternity when at full power.....Eternity>the celestial host, IMO.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
I know guy will have his say, now I will also put mine in 🙂Odin was one of the top cosmics for a while...in the early 70's and such. Since then more and more emphasis has been placed on Galactus' power. Recent issues of annihilation, which came out last year, have stated that galactus is "the most powerful creature in the universe."
in the black celestial arc, reed stated on panel that the entire celestial host would be totally doomed if galactus were not stopped.
celestials have no on-panel victories over galactus. if there is a conflict between the two (a la earth x) galactus is shown to prevail.
IMO, galactus>1 celestial, no matter if arishem, exitar, OAA, or tiamut.
the entire celestial host would probably be > galactus. However, Galactus at his "absolute best" as you mentioned in your original post, has vast, enormous powers that make him "one with the universe" and total molecular control (though not on the grand scope of molecule man) of his environment (as stated to what happened to doom in secret wars...and that wasn't even all the power galactus was ready to consume). "one with the universe" makes him equal to Eternity when at full power.....Eternity>the celestial host, IMO.
Points well taken
Franklin was Galactus in Earth X. In the Heroes Reborn series, Frankie is respected by the Celestials
Scathan/Tiamut/Arishem/Exitar IMO can beat Galactus
We agree, Celestials>Galactus
Full powered Galactus, well
Eternals established Galactus and Uatu fear Tiamut as he awakens
Eternity should be above Celestials. But about what Scathan. He's a Celestial who helped LT defeat Protege
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great info/points chaps 🙂, I would appreciate more background and maybe a good humoured debate amongst the respective champions of Galactus and the Celestials.
a couple of questions too,
1) Galactus consumed a universe, but he wasn't going to be sated by it and it was implied that he could continue consuming (another universe?), right?
2) Galactus is meant to keep a 'balance' or something like that, in the universe no? a bit like a gardener prunes and weeds a garden.
oh and what are the most awesome feats of specific Celestials?
(hmm, is there a respect thread for them ...)
Originally posted by guy222
Points well takenFranklin was Galactus in Earth X. In the Heroes Reborn series, Frankie is respected by the Celestials
Scathan/Tiamut/Arishem/Exitar IMO can beat Galactus
We agree, Celestials>Galactus
Full powered Galactus, well
Eternals established Galactus and Uatu fear Tiamut as he awakens
Eternity should be above Celestials. But about what Scathan. He's a Celestial who helped LT defeat Protege
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True but never the less he had the power of Galactus as mentioned, also as shown a single Celestial cannot down another single Celestial.
Scathan we know practically nothing about one appearance. Arishem/Tiamut/Exitar would all fall IMO against Galactus if the fought one against one.
Yes we done all the Celestials would Down Galactus
We both know that it was a move from the authors to make Tiamut a more interesting character which in my opinion wasn't required since most know how powerful the celestials are also the show fear thing is rather interesting because when the IG was assembled Galactus wasn't afraid but determent to wrest the Gauntlet from Thanos, not afraid but does this means that Tiamut>IG. No.
But when we get to Galactus vs Celestial we are always entering a gray area we doesn't have enough information regarding there power showings going both ways so its basically just speculation.
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Originally posted by janus77
great info/points chaps 🙂, I would appreciate more background and maybe a good humoured debate amongst the respective champions of Galactus and the Celestials.a couple of questions too,
1) Galactus consumed a universe, but he wasn't going to be sated by it and it was implied that he could continue consuming (another universe?), right?2) Galactus is meant to keep a 'balance' or something like that, in the universe no? a bit like a gardener prunes and weeds a garden.
oh and what are the most awesome feats of specific Celestials?
(hmm, is there a respect thread for them ...)
1.) Yes reed believed that if he wasn't stopped he would consume the entire multiverse.
2.) 😂 well in some sense he is the balance between Eternity and Death and keeps the embordiment of Destruction (Abraxas) in tjeck.
Most impressive show by the Celestials hmm I'm voting for Arishem repelling the assault by Odin Vishnu and Zeus and then continue to almost cut of there connection to there godly realms, and of cause the Destroyer vs 4th Host.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
I know guy will have his say, now I will also put mine in 🙂Odin was one of the top cosmics for a while...in the early 70's and such. Since then more and more emphasis has been placed on Galactus' power. Recent issues of annihilation, which came out last year, have stated that galactus is "the most powerful creature in the universe."
in the black celestial arc, reed stated on panel that the entire celestial host would be totally doomed if galactus were not stopped.
celestials have no on-panel victories over galactus. if there is a conflict between the two (a la earth x) galactus is shown to prevail.
IMO, galactus>1 celestial, no matter if arishem, exitar, OAA, or tiamut.
the entire celestial host would probably be > galactus. However, Galactus at his "absolute best" as you mentioned in your original post, has vast, enormous powers that make him "one with the universe" and total molecular control (though not on the grand scope of molecule man) of his environment (as stated to what happened to doom in secret wars...and that wasn't even all the power galactus was ready to consume). "one with the universe" makes him equal to Eternity when at full power.....Eternity>the celestial host, IMO.
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I have actually Tenebrous found some new and very interesting information concerning the Celestials. You know of the Promail Gods correct? Created by Eternity (rings a bell 😉), well one of them Brio to be precise strongly resembles a Celestial and his task seems to reassemble that of a Celestial. Now Diableri was the most powerful correct and how defeated him, Galactus! I know this is far of but never the less a theory that IMO should be examined more closely.
Originally posted by janus77
great info/points chaps 🙂, I would appreciate more background and maybe a good humoured debate amongst the respective champions of Galactus and the Celestials.a couple of questions too,
1) Galactus consumed a universe, but he wasn't going to be sated by it and it was implied that he could continue consuming (another universe?), right?2) Galactus is meant to keep a 'balance' or something like that, in the universe no? a bit like a gardener prunes and weeds a garden.
oh and what are the most awesome feats of specific Celestials?
(hmm, is there a respect thread for them ...)
1) it's been a long time since i read it, but some of mr. master's scans in one of the other threads shows reed explaining that all the energy created in the history of the universe will eventually not be enough to sate galactus. where he would go on from there would logically indicate another universe...can't remember if they actually said this on panel.
2) yes somewhat....the role of galactus in the universal order has been built upon so many times that he's probably the one non-abstract character in all of marvel that simply cannot be killed (permanetly, as far as that can go in comics)...because doing so would be triggering all the "galactus is important because he does this and that for the universe, and if he were gone the universe would end" scenarios that various writers have created for him over the decades.
generallly these are a few of the roles that Galactus has been given by writers over the years:
i. Galactus is the third force in the universe, the other two forces being Eternity (and his coutnerpart, Infinity) and Death (and her counterpart, Oblivion). As Galactus consumes worlds, he slowly converts more of Eternity into Death, while simultaneously making it "easier" for Eternity to thrive (out with the old, in with the new). Take out Galactus from the situation and the universe would crumble under its own weight and eventually die. this was explained in some issue of silver surfer, if i remember correctly.
ii. Galactus is some cosmic gardener that "tests" worlds and species for their ability to survive...failure of the test results in consumption of their world. John Byrne first introduced this idea. This is not unlike how the celestials "test" their subjects. One idea of conflict would be if the celestials were doing extensive work on a race, and galactus arrived to consume their world...but to my knowledge writers have never explored this.
iii. Most of the energy Galactus consumes from planets goes towards keeping the being known as Abraxas imprisoned. Why Galactus is the only one who can do this task has never been explained. Abraxas is a cosmic entity who's powers are vast, Abraxas >>>> Galactus, even at full power. The sole purpose of Abraxas is to end the multiverse, which is multi-Eternity. Death of Galactus means Abraxas is released...meaning the end of the multiverse.
iv. It's been strongly hinted several times that when the universe is finally near its end, Galactus will be the sole being left alive. At this point he will somehow be the catalyst for birthing the new universe...thus "giving back" what he has taken from the universe over how many trillions of years or whatever.
Finally as utrigita mentioned there is a grey area when it comes to comparing the celestials and galactus. The one thing they have in common is that both are always mentioned when it comes to characters having discussions on-panel (adam warlock, quasar, kosmos and kubik, thanos, etc.) on who are the most powerful entities in the universe.
The celestials' most awesome feats....well i would have to defer to guy. they usually act as a group, so it's hard to judge the power of one celestial vs. the power of galactus. i would say that on average, the casual power that one celestial wields is greater than what galactus has shown, again, on average (i.e., thor giving Galactus a hard time, arishem shrugging off blasts from thor. though Galactus has also shrugged off blasts from thor before, i should note)
on the other hand, the greatest feats of galactus far outstrip those of any one celestial, imo. Galactus has had battles that shatter entire galaxies as collateral damage, has confronted mystical entities, where the ensuing battle rippled across dimensions (vs. mephisto) and would eventually severely damage an entire realm (vs. agammoto). galactus also threatened to consume mephisto's hell realm and agammoto's magic realm. galactus has even reformed from being obliterated from a blast that was powered by no fewer than 5 cosmic cubes. so that is the grey area....there's never been a direct, canon confrontation between them.
however, one sure-fire thing that gives Galactus the edge: the ultimate nullifier, which is an aspect of Galactus. the UN allows Galactus the luxury of wiping out the entire celestial host, if he were so inclined.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
1) it's been a long time since i read it, but some of mr. master's scans in one of the other threads shows reed explaining that all the energy created in the history of the universe will eventually not be enough to sate galactus. where he would go on from there would logically indicate another universe...can't remember if they actually said this on panel.2) yes somewhat....the role of galactus in the universal order has been built upon so many times that he's probably the one non-abstract character in all of marvel that simply cannot be killed (permanetly, as far as that can go in comics)...because doing so would be triggering all the "galactus is important because he does this and that for the universe, and if he were gone the universe would end" scenarios that various writers have created for him over the decades.
generallly these are a few of the roles that Galactus has been given by writers over the years:
i. Galactus is the third force in the universe, the other two forces being Eternity (and his coutnerpart, Infinity) and Death (and her counterpart, Oblivion). As Galactus consumes worlds, he slowly converts more of Eternity into Death, while simultaneously making it "easier" for Eternity to thrive (out with the old, in with the new). Take out Galactus from the situation and the universe would crumble under its own weight and eventually die. this was explained in some issue of silver surfer, if i remember correctly.
ii. Galactus is some cosmic gardener that "tests" worlds and species for their ability to survive...failure of the test results in consumption of their world. John Byrne first introduced this idea. This is not unlike how the celestials "test" their subjects. One idea of conflict would be if the celestials were doing extensive work on a race, and galactus arrived to consume their world...but to my knowledge writers have never explored this.
iii. Most of the energy Galactus consumes from planets goes towards keeping the being known as Abraxas imprisoned. Why Galactus is the only one who can do this task has never been explained. Abraxas is a cosmic entity who's powers are vast, Abraxas >>>> Galactus, even at full power. The sole purpose of Abraxas is to end the multiverse, which is multi-Eternity. Death of Galactus means Abraxas is released...meaning the end of the multiverse.
iv. It's been strongly hinted several times that when the universe is finally near its end, Galactus will be the sole being left alive. At this point he will somehow be the catalyst for birthing the new universe...thus "giving back" what he has taken from the universe over how many trillions of years or whatever.
Finally as utrigita mentioned there is a grey area when it comes to comparing the celestials and galactus. The one thing they have in common is that both are always mentioned when it comes to characters having discussions on-panel (adam warlock, quasar, kosmos and kubik, thanos, etc.) on who are the most powerful entities in the universe.
The celestials' most awesome feats....well i would have to defer to guy. they usually act as a group, so it's hard to judge the power of one celestial vs. the power of galactus. i would say that on average, the casual power that one celestial wields is greater than what galactus has shown, again, on average (i.e., thor giving Galactus a hard time, arishem shrugging off blasts from thor. though Galactus has also shrugged off blasts from thor before, i should note)
on the other hand, the greatest feats of galactus far outstrip those of any one celestial, imo. Galactus has had battles that shatter entire galaxies as collateral damage, has confronted mystical entities, where the ensuing battle rippled across dimensions (vs. mephisto) and would eventually severely damage an entire realm (vs. agammoto). galactus also threatened to consume mephisto's hell realm and agammoto's magic realm. galactus has even reformed from being obliterated from a blast that was powered by no fewer than 5 cosmic cubes. so that is the grey area....there's never been a direct, canon confrontation between them.
however, one sure-fire thing that gives Galactus the edge: the ultimate nullifier, which is an aspect of Galactus. the UN allows Galactus the luxury of wiping out the entire celestial host, if he were so inclined.
Again, good points
5th Celestial Host contained the Goblin Force. It had killed Galactus and the PF
Celestials have also embarassed the Odin/Destroyer
Its been said, Galactus' true form is a star. Celestials have the power to destroy stars. Its been said when Galactus dies he becomes a Celestial. I like the comparsion between the two
I will defer to u both. Has Galactus ever used the UN? In the original Galactus arc, he feared it. During the Abraxas storyline, it's apart of him
Celestials have a weapon known as 'The Weapon'
Originally posted by guy222
Again, good points5th Celestial Host contained the Goblin Force. It had killed Galactus and the PF
Celestials have also embarassed the Odin/Destroyer
Its been said, Galactus' true form is a star. Celestials have the power to destroy stars. Its been said when Galactus dies he becomes a Celestial. I like the comparsion between the two
I will defer to u both. Has Galactus ever used the UN? In the original Galactus arc, he feared it. During the Abraxas storyline, it's apart of him
Celestials have a weapon known as 'The Weapon'