Originally posted by TheTyrant
Most? Superman's average feats aren't the ones you see in his respect thread. He gets hit/hurt by metas just as much if not more times than he survives planetary explosions and stuff.
He's portrayed at High Herald levels quite consistently to the point that you'd have to be ignorant or just plain full of hate to argue otherwise.
Originally posted by TheTyrantHearsay and speculative. M y point stands.
That can be easily refuted. Frieza only destroyed the core of Namek because he didn't want it to blow up in his face before he was finished. Plus, I clearly said (if you were responding to my post) anime Frieza.
Did you even watch the anime? It was the same thing. It took several episodes for the planet to go.
At least know what you're talking about before you argue a point.
Originally posted by TheTyrantAnd Goku can't even lift 10 tons in his black haired form. smug
Most? Superman's average feats aren't the ones you see in his respect thread. He gets hit/hurt by metas just as much if not more times than he survives planetary explosions and stuff.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Hearsay and speculative. M y point stands.Did you even watch the anime? It was the same thing. It took several episodes for the planet to go.
At least know what you're talking about before you argue a point.
And Goku can't even lift 10 tons in his black haired form. smug
I was talking about Vegeta, not Namek.
You mean before Buu saga black haired Goku. Yawn.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
How many Superman comics have you actually read?He's portrayed at High Herald levels quite consistently to the point that you'd have to be ignorant or just plain full of hate to argue otherwise.
I've read enough to know that what you're saying isn't true. Superman has crappy showings just as much as he has good showings.
Originally posted by TheTyrantMost of the movies are non-canon to the main series due to events in them taking place in an asynchronous manner.
I was talking about Vegeta, not Namek.
Originally posted by TheTyrantI'm taking about the on panel stated black haired goku.
You mean before Buu saga black haired Goku. Yawn.
We get no other times when what he's trying to lift is stated.
Originally posted by TheTyrantIn other words you haven't read enough to know that what he's saying is true. You're probably left over scraps from the movie codec invasion and have only been shown superman's low showings.
I've read enough to know that what you're saying isn't true. Superman has crappy showings just as much as he has good showings.
Originally posted by TheTyrantWhich means you're woefully misinformed.
Around 5%, yea. And that's like hundreds which is good enough for me.
If I only read 5 out of the 26 volumes of dragonball , would I know enough about dbz to be able to form an educated opinion?
Like all the times a Z warrior died and that's all that was read. Would that mean I knew enough about Dragonball?
Originally posted by TheTyrantDoesn't change the fact that reading only 5% of something is not enough to form a credible opinion.
The thing is, DBZ didn't have thousands of chapters.
260 chapters of Dragon ball barely gets Dende explaining to BULMA gohan and krillian what's going on. freiza was only introduced 13 chapters before that.
260/520 is not enough. Likewsie only read %5 of Superman comics is not enough to be knowledgeable about him either.
Well, late post is late. Sorry to restart an older argument.
Originally posted by carver9
Carver will be waiting on you to show him Superman combating at the speed of light.Light speed flight in space, everyone and their grandmama has it, even Ironman has that under his belt but combat speed is something completely different.
I'll be waiting on those combat light speed feats.
I don't know if these exist, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to Superman feats. I've been trusting in the words of others. However, if most of Superman's fights take place on a planet it would probably destroy most of the stuff on that planet if he was zooming around on it at light speed.
However, I was a huge fan of DBZ when it was on TV and watched the series up to Frieza saga at least 7 times and post Frieza probably more than that. And the only thing I've seen in DBZ that MIGHT be faster than light is Goku's instant transmission which is not a constant thing.
Combat speed has nothing to put it above travel speed in DBZ. Except perhaps that it looks faster, and of course it looks faster, it's over shorter distances. Travel speed is just as fast if not faster.
You know, I should wait for light speed combat feats as well. Only I'd like mine from DBZ please.
You know, come to think of it DBZ speed for quite a while may be under the speed of sound. They hold conversations while flying to places, don't they?
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Around 5%, yea. And that's like hundreds which is good enough for me.
Superman solo books take precedence over JLA ones.
In his solo books he's regularly portrayed as a high herald. i don't know how you can even try to argue otherwise.
Funny enough, though, Morrison and Johns on JLA made him upper high herald more often than not.
Then there's Superman Batman, which makes him look positively godly more often than not.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeI'd like to see that too. And I won't accept a bad guy mouthing off either. As I've shown the bad guys are frequently full of it.
Well, late post is late. Sorry to restart an older argument.I don't know if these exist, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to Superman feats. I've been trusting in the words of others. However, if most of Superman's fights take place on a planet it would probably destroy most of the stuff on that planet if he was zooming around on it at light speed.
However, I was a huge fan of DBZ when it was on TV and watched the series up to Frieza saga at least 7 times and post Frieza probably more than that. And the only thing I've seen in DBZ that MIGHT be faster than light is Goku's instant transmission which is not a constant thing.
Combat speed has nothing to put it above travel speed in DBZ. Except perhaps that it looks faster, and of course it looks faster, it's over shorter distances. Travel speed is just as fast if not faster.
You know, I should wait for light speed combat feats as well. Only I'd like mine from DBZ please.
You know, come to think of it DBZ speed for quite a while may be under the speed of sound. They hold conversations while flying to places, don't they?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman solo books take precedence over JLA ones.In his solo books he's regularly portrayed as a high herald. i don't know how you can even try to argue otherwise.
Funny enough, though, Morrison and Johns on JLA made him upper high herald more often than not.
Then there's Superman Batman, which makes him look positively godly more often than not.
I honestly have no idea how Tyrant thinks that Superman has just as many showings putting him below HH as he does putting him at or above that level.
Originally posted by amnesia
Ok, give me one REALLY impressive durability or strength feat from a DBZ character.
Not to get in the middle of this, but didn't Goku break an unbreakable sword made of "kachin" (spelling?) which released Elder Kai from being trapped inside of it (Buu Saga)? That's a kinda impressive strength feat (breaking an 'unbreakable' metal, or at least whenever someone does it to adamantium it's considered a high end strength feat).
Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to get in the middle of this, but didn't Goku break an unbreakable sword made of "kachin" (spelling?) which released Elder Kai from being trapped inside of it (Buu Saga)? That's a kinda impressive strength feat (breaking an 'unbreakable' metal, or at least whenever someone does it to adamantium it's considered a high end strength feat).
It was actually Gohan failing to break the hardest material of the universe with a heavy sword of an untold material.