Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'll refer you to the post I made in response to you last time, Carver.
DBZ flight speed sucks but look at everything Frieza and Goku did in less than 5 minutes. That was one of the longest fights in existence and all of that happened in 5 minutes. Then you have Burta moving so fast that time itself STOPPED but yet, Goku was to fast for him.
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Originally posted by NemeBroThey call him a wound in the force.I just think being one of the most powerful with of all time along with not being able to be KO'd would make him at least elite meta.
Carver you really need to go away.Have you ever wondered why no one takes you seriously, with the exception of other people who are not taken seriously?
Also, Darth Sion is nowhere near the level of Darth Nihilus. Darth Nihilus is a Force abomination with power on a planetary scale. Sion is some guy who is hard to kill. He's a glorified tank.
Originally posted by CreshoskNo offense but I think thats bullshit.Thats like carver trying to being in his logic of goku moving faster then a bullet or something like that.Theres a delay to show the blast hitting then the planet exploding.
I still maintain that cultural dissonance is what had freeza destroying a planet
http://s1-a.animea-server.net/46%2F322_46_%2Fdb27_128.gif
The planet wasn't destroyed outright, it was more like it died since there was a peiod of time in between the strike and the actual explosion of the planet.And this seems to be because of a cultural philosophy that differs from the western philosophy.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
They call him a wound in the force.I just think being one of the most powerful with of all time along with not being able to be KO'd would make him at least elite meta. No offense but I think thats bullshit.Thats like carver trying to being in his logic of goku moving faster then a bullet or something like that.Theres a delay to show the blast hitting then the planet exploding.
But Goku does move way faster than a bullet. I showed you this already. 😕
Originally posted by Black bolt z
They call him a wound in the force.I just think being one of the most powerful with of all time along with not being able to be KO'd would make him at least elite meta.
My idea of Elite Meta is being able to bust cities and having either a myriad of powers or a few very impressive ones, someone like Archimonde. Sion isn't anywhere close to that kind of power.
Originally posted by carver9
DBZ flight speed sucks but look at everything Frieza and Goku did in less than 5 minutes. That was one of the longest fights in existence and all of that happened in 5 minutes. Then you have Burta moving so fast that time itself STOPPED but yet, Goku was to fast for him.😕
Yeah, things said and shown couldn't probably be expanded by artistic licence, I mean, it's not like the dialogues of those DBZ chapters weren't longer than the "five minutes" Frieza was supposed to count.
We should discuss something else before I feel like starting to block people.
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, things said and shown couldn't probably be expanded by artistic licence, I mean, it's not like the dialogues of those DBZ chapters weren't longer than the "five minutes" Frieza was supposed to count.We should discuss something else before I feel like starting to block people.
IE canonically that's not how it happened.
Put Carver on ignore, it makes reading this thread infinitely easier.
Originally posted by carver9
DBZ flight speed sucks but look at everything Frieza and Goku did in less than 5 minutes. That was one of the longest fights in existence and all of that happened in 5 minutes. Then you have Burta moving so fast that time itself STOPPED but yet, Goku was to fast for him.😕
A few things.
Is there anything that actually says it was five minutes?
Can you prove that "combat speed" is any faster than travel speed?
Ok, so Burter is that fast. Now how much faster is Goku?
Originally posted by CreshoskSeveral episdoes?I haven't seen it in a long time so i'll take your word for it.
Hearsay and speculative. M y point stands.Did you even watch the anime? It was the same thing. It took several episodes for the planet to go.
At least know what you're talking about before you argue a point.
And Goku can't even lift 10 tons in his black haired form. smug
And not everyone has lifting feats.One such as thanos doesn't doesn't mean he doesn't have high strength.Now i'm not suggesting he has anywhere near thanos strength.But the same logic applies.
Originally posted by amnesiaEasily being knockd through mountains with smiles on their faces.One shotting planet destroyers.Taking energy blast that blow apart miles of rock per blast.
Ok, give me one REALLY impressive durability or strength feat from a DBZ character.
They by no means have shitting durability or strength.And they don't have to be lifting feats.
Originally posted by illadelph12It was goan but yes.But the bad thing about that is that a big block of metal broke it.That leads me to believe that it wasn't unbreakable metal as a different metal broke it...although I think it said that it was due to gohans strength hitting it that ti broke.Could be either but I think the second one is more accurate.
Not to get in the middle of this, but didn't Goku break an unbreakable sword made of "kachin" (spelling?) which released Elder Kai from being trapped inside of it (Buu Saga)? That's a kinda impressive strength feat (breaking an 'unbreakable' metal, or at least whenever someone does it to adamantium it's considered a high end strength feat).
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
A few things.Is there anything that actually says it was five minutes?
Can you prove that "combat speed" is any faster than travel speed?
Ok, so Burter is that fast. Now how much faster is Goku?
Yes, it was stated NUMEROUS of times how long the fight was going on and how many minutes were left.
Its pretty obvious that their combat speed is faster than their flight. Goku reflexes alone blocked bullets from multiple of machine guns and lets not forget, Goku punched a tree which had at least a hundred apples and Gohun caught each and every one of them before they hit the ground. Them fighting so fast that rocks are floating in mid air, etc.... The flight speed that they have is crap in my opinion but I think that is because they try to conserve their energy instead of wasting it on flight.
Goku had to at least be twice as fast as burta since Burta was teamed with Jeice and they were still unable to even touch Gokus suit. Even Jeice mentioned it "He is fast; look at him, he is TOYING with Burta" and Goku wasnt even using 5% of his true power while fighting burta.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Easily being knockd through mountains with smiles on their faces.One shotting planet destroyers.Taking energy blast that blow apart miles of rock per blast.They by no means have shitting durability or strength.And they don't have to be lifting feats.
They one shot planets with ki blasts. Not physical strength.
And non of the durability feats are that impressive.
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, things said and shown couldn't probably be expanded by artistic licence, I mean, it's not like the dialogues of those DBZ chapters weren't longer than the "five minutes" Frieza was supposed to count.We should discuss something else before I feel like starting to block people.
With the artistic licence comment, are you saying that they were not moving at tremendous speeds?
It was 5 minutes, people can tell when 5 minutes has passed. Vegeta even admitted this by his statement during the fight with Kid Buu "In a fight like this, 1 minute is like eternity".
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Easily being knockd through mountains with smiles on their faces.One shotting planet destroyers.
(1) I don't recall there ever being a case where any planet destroyer in DBZ was oneshot by a physical blow, which is what you're arguing here: physical strength.
(2) How does being a planet destroyer matter in terms of tanking a punch? Are you suggesting that being able to destroy a planet with energy attacks automatically gives you super durability? Dark Phoenix and Classic Strange are both examples of planet busters with human level durability (at least naturally).
Originally posted by carver9No he wouldn't.Superman would probably STOMP him.
Would you like for me to post these showings. Everything that is shown about Superman is considered low showings or PIS by you all but you accept EVERY high end feats instead of his regular. I can go on for days about his regular showings but I know that you all will throw it out of the window.Just like Tyrant said, Freiza would STOMP Superman if you use his regular, standard showings.
Originally posted by carver9Nuke like=/=actual nuke.And just because they create large shockwaves doesn't mean that they could KO superman....somehow you seem to be getting that idea.
So these people can tank punches that was creating shockwaves across namek along with nuke like explosions? Yeah right.Black Bolt, you say some crazy sh**.
Originally posted by marwash22If all his showings are high showings wouldn't those be considered his average showings?
😬That doesn't make any goddamn sense. Superman, unlike Frieza, has been around for longer than any of us (and our parent's) have been alive. If Frieza had the kinda of exposure that Superman has had in his run, Frieza would have low showings as well... but considering he was only apart of one arc in a very short manga/anime (short, in relation to comics), all he has is high showings.
Originally posted by illadelph12Didn't read the other post.Thanks for the correction as well.
Ah, ok. I remembered it wrong. It's been a while since I've watched the shows. Thanks for the correction.
Originally posted by carver9But carver heres the flaw with your argument.Its the same reason thanos can stomp superman.Superman can tank freizas punches very easily.
Again, what is his speed combat wise for you to say that he is way faster because looking at his fights that you all tend to ignore, he is NO WHERE near frieza combat speed wise.There is nothing contradicting this statement from Superman. Of course he have space flight that shows him going light speed but EVERYONE has that but Superman himself admitted during a training session with Mongul Jr that earths gravity bring down his abilities.
There is nothing contradicting this statement from Superman while being on a planet.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/lendsupli.jpg
And lets not forget, he was flying through space like at tremendous speeds during this time as well.
Originally posted by amnesiaWhos that?
Haruhi Suzumiya rapes all your silly DBZ characters.
Originally posted by carver9The burta thing was fast but nothing else was ever shown like that.
DBZ flight speed sucks but look at everything Frieza and Goku did in less than 5 minutes. That was one of the longest fights in existence and all of that happened in 5 minutes. Then you have Burta moving so fast that time itself STOPPED but yet, Goku was to fast for him.😕
Originally posted by carver9And it doesn't work like that.Either you let creshoks logic work and yours or neither.
But Goku does move way faster than a bullet. I showed you this already. 😕
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe could break cities.I could see sion collapsing buildings where I can't see mace windu doing that.
Darth Sion isn't Elite Meta. Him being difficult to kill isn't that impressive.My idea of Elite Meta is being able to bust cities and having either a myriad of powers or a few very impressive ones, someone like Archimonde. Sion isn't anywhere close to that kind of power.
Originally posted by amnesiaNo physical strength.
They one shot planets with ki blasts. Not physical strength.And non of the durability feats are that impressive.
Originally posted by carver9Goku has also dodged bullets by waving back and forth no farther then a foot.....
Yes, it was stated NUMEROUS of times how long the fight was going on and how many minutes were left.Its pretty obvious that their combat speed is faster than their flight. Goku reflexes alone blocked bullets from multiple of machine guns and lets not forget, Goku punched a tree which had at least a hundred apples and Gohun caught each and every one of them before they hit the ground. Them fighting so fast that rocks are floating in mid air, etc.... The flight speed that they have is crap in my opinion but I think that is because they try to conserve their energy instead of wasting it on flight.
Goku had to at least be twice as fast as burta since Burta was teamed with Jeice and they were still unable to even touch Gokus suit. Even Jeice mentioned it "He is fast; look at him, he is TOYING with Burta" and Goku wasnt even using 5% of his true power while fighting burta.
Where was it stated it was only 5%?
Originally posted by Omega VisionGohan one shotted freiza.With one punch.I don't see why the movies are non-canon if someone can explain this to me.They are made by akira...so...why?
Okay see there's something majorly wrong with this.(1) I don't recall there ever being a case where any planet destroyer in DBZ was oneshot by a physical blow, which is what you're arguing here: physical strength.
(2) How does being a planet destroyer matter in terms of tanking a punch? Are you suggesting that being able to destroy a planet with energy attacks automatically gives you super durability? Dark Phoenix and Classic Strange are both examples of planet busters with human level durability (at least naturally).
For anyone who doubts Superman's durability, I give you this:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-19.jpg
Later on it was shown that the attack Hawkman used didn't actually even KO Superman: he was playing possum.
Force of the planet translated into a punch. No DBZ character has ever displayed blunt durability anywhere close to that level. It makes "getting punched through mountains" (and as fanboys always leave out, getting lots of obvious cuts, bruises, and scratches as a result) look like child's play.
