Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Did you intentionally misquote my post to troll me or what? I achknowledged they could blow up planets. Oh, and please go find the scan of when Freeza blows up Vegeta in the manga to show me exactly how he did so. You won't be able to. It doesn't exist. Please, no anime either.

Yeah, blasts which Goku and Vegeta could do absolutely nothing to stop, and would have killed them if they were in the blast. Buu survived only due to regeneration. Superman has survived worse than a planet exploding.

Teleporting to anywhere he wants is a neat trick, but in the manga, it was only used offensively once, and it was not quickly.

2. Bias? DBZ is my favorite anime ever. Show me Goku's mastery of martial arts being signifigantly impressive in DC standards. Goku does not best his opponents with skill, it is with power.

And... How fast does SSJ Goku fight? You can't tell me anything more signifigant than a bunch of machs, which is nice, but Superman has reaction feats trumping anything Goku has that is even remotely quantifiable.

Please refrain from using mistranslated anime statements.

You have to use normal showings for the characters, not high ends. Frieza was depleted of his energy which gives him durability and he survived a planet exploding on him. Hell, even his father stated that a planet destroying blast isnt enough to harm him.

Again, show me how fast Superman fights or any high herald if thats the case.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What?

Why?

Manga Goku is not a "different version," he's the canon version, aka the one that counts. Anime Goku is just manga Goku with more crap tagged on, and makes the series even more inconsistent than it once was. Anime Goku had trouble lifting a bus if I recall right, and had Krillin injuring SSJ Goku with a pebble. It's inconsistent to a fault, manga should be the only version used.

Also, in regards to the thing about giving them what they want, which I just now saw, NEVER.

INTERNET DEBATING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!

LOL, you hate that huh? Using the Goku from the Anime would destroy EVERYTHING that you mentioned throughout the thread. Akira himself gave approval of EVERYTHING that happened in the anime which makes it just as cannon as the manga. He was impressed and stated that he cant believe they wrote everything like he pictured it.

The anime is a cannon source to use. Go to Gokus or any anime characters respect thread, you will see nothing but anime clips put up, hell you'll see more anime than manga.

Dammit Carver stop replying to my posts I wasn't talking to you...! cry

Originally posted by NemeBro
Dammit Carver stop replying to my posts I wasn't talking to you...! cry

I cant help it, you say things that make me reply to your post. I just want you to back up your claims. Show me proof of your characters combat speed like you are asking for proof of Gokus. I can easily say a character is faster than another character but proof would help anyones case.

Also, on the forums, the anime is cannon unless stated otherwise. This was mentioned a long time ago throughout this thread.

Guys, you either use the Manga or the Anime version iirc. You can't use them as one and the same.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant help it, you say things that make me reply to your post. I just want you to back up your claims. Show me proof of your characters combat speed like you are asking for proof of Gokus. I can easily say a character is faster than another character but proof would help anyones case.

Also, on the forums, the anime is cannon unless stated otherwise. This was mentioned a long time ago throughout this thread.

2. No, no matter what any member or even mod says, the anime will never be canon.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, you either use the Manga or the Anime version iirc. You can't use them as one and the same.

I agree and that is what everyone here has been debating with and talking about, the anime. I never stated anything about the manga along with everyone else here; it is Nemo that is bringing up the manga to try to help his case.

The only good DBZ arc was when he was training with King Kai, spheal with it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Nah, it's three in the morning. Also, you've never proved your claims about DBZ, I'm not digging through Superman's respect thread for feats, especially not right now.

2. No, no matter what any member or even mod says, the anime will never be canon.

I know ALL of the feats... that is why I think he IS the fastest high herald(under Gladiator though) in my opinion but he isnt DBZ fast. In a fight, I would give Superman the first four hits against Thor, Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, hell, any high herald in a fight because he is just that fast, DBZ fast, nope, Marvel and DC fast, leagues above a lot of them.

Well, you have a lot of people to fuss with about the anime being cannon, even Akira since he made it a cannon source. This has been mentioned and even posted in the Superman vs Goku thread, Akira gave a thumbs up to the Anime and also gave ALL rights to the people that did it.

Originally posted by amnesia
The only good DBZ arc was when he was training with King Kai, spheal with it.

Naah, the best saga to me is the cell saga. I agree with Illa though (I dont think he should put them in a tier where they dont belong), we should not use DBZ in a forum match because that would cause nothing but arguments along with other things. They should be eliminated from vs matches but I also think they should be placed in a tier where they belong.

A lot of people hate the characters and honestly, with some of their opinions, I agree on why they hate them but I think EVERY character deserves the respect that they have earned.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ironically, if we let the DBZ supporters have their way it would also mean that Goku, Frieza, etc. couldn't be used in battles against characters like Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfer due to the tier disparity (DBZ characters being way too high up), which would pretty much render them useless and kill the "Goku Vs. Supes/Thor/Etc" flame wars before they start...

A diabolical man would let them have their way and kill two birds with one stone.

You'd think that...

Wait till you get Goku versus the Justice league or Vegeto versus the Nova's team from the Thanos imperative. Then truly you will know fear.

Also could we just vote for which tier we want Goku in and be done with it? As before I vote Mid herald and veto any placement in transcendent.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You'd think that...

Wait till you get Goku versus the Justice league or Vegeto versus the Nova's team from the Thanos imperative. Then truly you will know fear.

Also could we just vote for which tier we want Goku in and be done with it? As before I vote Mid herald and veto any placement in transcendent.

Thats the problem, some people vote what you just voted, mid herald and some people think he is higher which is taking up the forums. I think we should just leave it alone and just get rid of the character all together. DBZ isnt a needed factor here but as long as Goku along with any other DBZ character is being underated, you will have people like me voting against that and providing proof to back their claims.

Kind of like how you do for other characters.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You'd think that...

Wait till you get Goku versus the Justice league or Vegeto versus the Nova's team from the Thanos imperative. Then truly you will know fear.

Also could we just vote for which tier we want Goku in and be done with it? As before I vote Mid herald and veto any placement in transcendent.

But also note it's a moot point, since I'll be voting veto on any and all matches involving DBZ characters. 313

Maybe an end to Dragonball z debates is in order. We just go round in circles.

I'll try to start something else up then. Anyone seen Busou Renkin? How about Victorised Kazuki and Victor for elite meta?

Haven't seen it yet.

Hmm... I just noticed EVA Unit 01 is being proposed for low meta... seems kind of low... is that because of it's short activation time?

Well for Busou renkin Victor can punch someone hard enough to destroy the building behind then, survive island busting attacks, superhuman healing including regrowing limbs, He can create a giant version of himself by manipulating dead organic matter and has sufficient energy attacks to one shot a naval fleet. He also drains the energy of anyone within the area.

His weapon lets him control gravity. Either to crush things or to lift huge objects like naval ships.

Victorised Kazuki is around the same level and was powerful enough to push Victor to the moon. He survived on the moon for a month. He made an attack powerful enough to be seen from the moon.

Also Anime Eva 1 is probably elite meta. God mode movie Eva 1 is at least low herald.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Firstly that's not a transcendent level feat and two that never happened. Unless you can prove me wrong with a scan from the manga.

So it's unquantifiable and not relevant.

Just like Goku requires food, water and oxygen to fight. Hmm...

Lets role. I hope to god you don't just start spamming youtube links. Let the scan war begin.

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Your turn.

Everything that you just posted is nice... but this one speed feat of Goku outshines almost any short blitz or combat speed feat that has been shown on KMC, including your scans.

Goku blitz Cell so fast that he actually turned into living lightning. 😕

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCj3kSK1pI&feature=related

Start 2 minutes

Or how about Captain Ginyu blitzing so fast that he turns into light... short blitz by the way, something that even flash have not done...unless you can prove me wrong. Show me flash blitzing at a short distance turning into light.

Fast forward this to 4 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOACeDEE8vU&feature=related

LOL carver stop 😬

Originally posted by iceman24567
LOL carver stop 😬

Stop what, proving my point. I noticed something about you iceman, when you dont have a way of going against or providing proof to help your argument or any other arguments, you resort to smilies.

I just showed you Goku blitzing so fast that he turned to lightning. That feat alone is one of the greatest speed feats on KMC...

Then I showed you Ginyu doing a short blitz so fast that his body turned into light... again, that is one of the greatest speed feats on KMC.

Back up your claims and stop hiding behind smilies.

Tomba from Tomba! and Tomba!2: The Evil Swine Return for Mid Street.

He's got a variety of weapons and items he can use, a flying dog, good agility, a high running speed via the Animal Dash and is actually strong enough to smash large stone blocks with his Torch Hammer and throw his enemies large distances. It gets fairly impressive when you consider the size of the Evil Earth Pig from Tomba! 2, but smashing stone blocks is still more impressive. He also has manly pink hair.

Love these games. You guys should try them if you can find them. PSOne games.