Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Kal-El Summers
Oh man, I used to have a shitload of tapes with Centurions, Silverhawks(Mon-Star's transformation chant/sequence was pretty freakin' boss, if I do say so myself), M.A.S.K., Bionic Six, Danger Mouse, and obscure stuff like Comic Strip and Spiral Zone that all either got taped over or messed up. Definitely nod all three Centurions for Mid-Meta.

Where exactly would the Silverhawks be placed at? About the same?

Ha, I forgot to mention the Bionic Six. All of them should be low meta, save possibly IQ. Karate-1, Rock-1 and Sport-1 could possibly be Mid Meta. Bionic-1 had Super senses and eye blasts (not like Cyclops, more like a low level version of Superman's heat vision). Mother-1 was a telepath and could cast illusions, and IQ was a super genius.

As for the Silverhawks, mid meta seems right for a few of them. Most of them would be sub-Spiderman but above The Vulture with a couple exceptions in my opinion. I'd say Quicksilver, Bluegrass, Flashback, Moonstryker, and Hotwing would be Mid Meta.

I also just now realized the irony of the black Silverhawk's name being Hotwing.

Dirty muthaf*ckas...

Anyone else besides me watch Tranzor Z? I think in Japan it was known as Mazinger Z. I'd say Tranzor should be in the same tier as Voltron. I believe I nominated Voltron for Low Herald originally.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What?

Why?

Manga Goku is not a "different version," he's the canon version, aka the one that counts. Anime Goku is just manga Goku with more crap tagged on, and makes the series even more inconsistent than it once was. Anime Goku had trouble lifting a bus if I recall right, and had Krillin injuring SSJ Goku with a pebble. It's inconsistent to a fault, manga should be the only version used.

Also, in regards to the thing about giving them what they want, which I just now saw, NEVER.

INTERNET DEBATING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!

Simple concept, actually.

There are events which occur in the cartoon which do not happen in the Manga, including the GT series (for an example), which means that they are in fact different adaptations.

The cartoon was "inspired" by the Manga, but it is obviously not an exact adaptation due to all of the differences, so the entirety of the animated adventures is canon only to the animated version of the character, with the Manga being canon only to the Manga version despite the cartoon being based on, though obviously not completely mirroring, the Manga.

And with that, I'm out.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Simple concept, actually.

There are events which occur in the cartoon which do not happen in the Manga, including the GT series (for an example), which means that they are in fact different adaptations.

The cartoon was "inspired" by the Manga, but it is obviously not an exact adaptation due to all of the differences, so the entirety of the animated adventures is canon only to the animated version of the character, with the Manga being canon only to the Manga version despite the cartoon being based on, though obviously not completely mirroring, the Manga.

And with that, I'm out.

Much like how when a person adds Silver Surfer to a fight by default it means the comic book version.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ha, I forgot to mention the Bionic Six. All of them should be low meta, save possibly IQ. Karate-1, Rock-1 and Sport-1 could possibly be Mid Meta. Bionic-1 had Super senses and eye blasts (not like Cyclops, more like a low level version of Superman's heat vision). Mother-1 was a telepath and could cast illusions, and IQ was a super genius.

As for the Silverhawks, mid meta seems right for a few of them. Most of them would be sub-Spiderman but above The Vulture with a couple exceptions in my opinion. I'd say Quicksilver, Bluegrass, Flashback, Moonstryker, and Hotwing would be Mid Meta.

I also just now realized the irony of the black Silverhawk's name being Hotwing.

Dirty muthaf*ckas...

Anyone else besides me watch Tranzor Z? I think in Japan it was known as Mazinger Z. I'd say Tranzor should be in the same tier as Voltron. I believe I nominated Voltron for Low Herald originally.

Mazinger Z on its own is probably elite meta. Give it the god scrander from the shin Mazinger anime and it's low herald.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
What NemeBro is saying is that When people say "canon" without context in regards to Dragon Ball, it should default to refering to what came first. In this case the manga.

Much like how when a person adds Silver Surfer to a fight by default it means the comic book version.

Thanks for clarifying.

Mazinger for elite meta.

Has anyone read Pluto?

How about Voltron?

And no.

Voltron to low herald?

That's where I nominated him originally.

I take it you're familiar with the character?

Just early in his career actually, but I heard he defeated planetary busters in regular basis.

Yeah, pretty much.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Tomba from Tomba! and Tomba!2: The Evil Swine Return for Mid Street.

He's got a variety of weapons and items he can use, a flying dog, good agility, a high running speed via the Animal Dash and is actually strong enough to smash large stone blocks with his Torch Hammer and throw his enemies large distances. It gets fairly impressive when you consider the size of the Evil Earth Pig from Tomba! 2, but smashing stone blocks is still more impressive. He also has manly pink hair.

Love these games. You guys should try them if you can find them. PSOne games.

Think everyone missed it at the bottom of the last page. I'm also going to expand on his gear.

Weapons:
Black Jack - Spiked Ball on the end of a rope. First weapon.
Boomerang and Ice Boomerang - self explanatory, retrieve distant items, puts out fires
Grappling Hook - Lets him swing from certain surfaces
Hammer and Fire Hammer - also self explanatory, melts ice and snow
Doka Pin - A combination of the Black Jack and Grapple.
Glacier Boomerang and Torch hammer - Bigger and badder Ice Boomerang, Torch Hammer lets you smash the big stone blocks

Other suits:
Flying Squirrel cloths let him travel long distances by gliding and even flapping. Also very warm.
Swimming Pig Suit - lets Tomba swim and somehow lessens the effect of gravity, allowing him to stay airborn longer and even jump a little higher.
Turbo pants - let him run faster
Pig Robes - one from each evil pig, lets him use some of their magic.

Edit: Also think I want to try and increase that placing to High or Elite Street.

Anyone seen Mazinkaiser? It's hard to place due to the fact nothing challenges ever it's a walking no limits fallacy. It takes no damage over the course of a 6 episode ova and a movie.

Mazinkaiser was dropped from orbit where it hit the ground with such force it melted an army of robot monsters. It then climbed out the crater unharmed and to kill any survivors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZwGqhTP5I&feature=related

This is the scene I mentioned. It was also stomped the original Mazinger in battle.

I'm thinking low herald...maybe.

I'm not familiar with Mazinkaiser, I only watched the old Z series. I'll watch the OVA and let you know what I think. Want to give informed opinions.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ironically, if we let the DBZ supporters have their way it would also mean that Goku, Frieza, etc. couldn't be used in battles against characters like Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfer due to the tier disparity (DBZ characters being way too high up), which would pretty much render them useless and kill the "Goku Vs. Supes/Thor/Etc" flame wars before they start...

A diabolical man would let them have their way and kill two birds with one stone.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Sion is a joke in everything but with a saber (Which he only displays some decent skill with, not mastery) and his immortality, which while beyond what the average no-name Jedi can handle, it is bollocks when you compare it to Force behemoths like Nihilus or even lesser Force wielders such as Obi-Wan. Low Meta is a decent placement for him, but he does not have the versatility or raw power to get higher than that.

2. If you believe Superman going all out could kill Goku accidently (AKA easily) then why do you think they are in the same level of power...?

I was illustrating a point, that Superman is much faster than Goku.

Yeah... When has he busted miles of land with a straight punch? I know Freeza and Goku were knocking eachother and destroying islands by crashing through them, but that is not destroying a mountain or even miles of land with a punch.

But busting planets is a feat even some Low Heralds can accomplish, if I recall right Terrax has cut planets in half, he is a Low Herald last I checked. One good ability, power output, does not make up for their failings in other areas.

... No. Even in Dragonball, fights were won with power. Once you get to a certain point in power, skill does not mean much.

Why would Superman hold back his speed against a fast opponent? "Gee this gai is moving pretty fast but I can go faster, I'm gonna fight him slowly."

After-images are just moving fast enough that you leave behind an image of yourself after moving, would not fool Superman's senses.

I pretty much give superman the win when going all out against anyone below thanos.

Doesn't change the fact that he can't use it in a fight.

Ok...at least I mile.I showed a video of what I would consider to be a small mountain apart then shatter it.

And some of the lower DBZ characters did it with ease.I mean kid buu showed absolutly no strain or time at all in destroying a planet.

Doesn't mean much.And as their power increases so does their skill as delph has explained.

Its just not in supes character to use his speed that much.I mean he uses it but not like he would when going all out.

Thanks.It might confuse him once or twice which could help.Might as well try.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman can track things moving at the speed of light standing still. An after image isn't shit to him.

the man can see in every spectrum that exists, and can hear and smell in a vacuum.

I nominate Armus (Star Trek: TNG) for Elite Meta:

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So, for a brief description, Armus is an embodiment of rage and evil. He was a "second skin" cast of by a race of beings that evolved to an elevated celestial state. He embodies all of the ill will and dark tendencies these beings cast off to achieve ascension. He's an amorphous blob of a tar like substance that Data and the Enterprise's sensors could not identify. He's immortal, has vast telekinetic powers, the ability to teleport objects, is seemingly immune to energy weapons, and had the ability to block the Enterprise's teleporters and communications at will. He also somehow disabled a shuttle craft passing by the planet he was on from the surface, likely via his telekinesis. Armus also can not fly and had no means of leaving the planet he was exiled on under his own power, so he was really, really, really pissed the f*ck off.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, you either use the Manga or the Anime version iirc. You can't use them as one and the same.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Nah, it's three in the morning. Also, you've never proved your claims about DBZ, I'm not digging through Superman's respect thread for feats, especially not right now.

2. No, no matter what any member or even mod says, the anime will never be canon.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, the best saga to me is the cell saga. I agree with Illa though (I dont think he should put them in a tier where they dont belong), we should not use DBZ in a forum match because that would cause nothing but arguments along with other things. They should be eliminated from vs matches but I also think they should be placed in a tier where they belong.

A lot of people hate the characters and honestly, with some of their opinions, I agree on why they hate them but I think EVERY character deserves the respect that they have earned.

I agree that there is a reason to hate it but it doesn't get enough respect.But you are seriously overrating them.I mean you think vegito could give galactus hell...odin would probably stomp them.

Originally posted by carver9
Everything that you just posted is nice... but this one speed feat of Goku outshines almost any short blitz or combat speed feat that has been shown on KMC, including your scans.

Goku blitz Cell so fast that he actually turned into living lightning. 😕

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCj3kSK1pI&feature=related

Start 2 minutes

Or how about Captain Ginyu blitzing so fast that he turns into light... short blitz by the way, something that even flash have not done...unless you can prove me wrong. Show me flash blitzing at a short distance turning into light.

Fast forward this to 4 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOACeDEE8vU&feature=related

I'll nod the Armus placement.

He also seems to be able to contain a lot of mass within him. He doesn't look to be anything more than a few inches thick but he contained Riker like he was ten feet deep. I think he had some of the crewman from that shuttlecraft inside him too.

He also can apparently keep things alive within him or just kill them. He threatened to do that to Riker quite a bit.

Also, someone should support mah Tomba nomination. He's win.