Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Marwash? That is what I would consider a combat speed.It shows very fast hand mobility which is practically what combat speed is. Then bada goes in to cleanse the wound and ends up getting eaten instead.Me being his sole heir gets his modship.

Start with marwash.

Black Bolt, the only thing you are trying to do is dispute me because other people are disputing against me. I know what that is showing but again, its not in a combat scenerio. If a character can fight as fast as character "A", it shouldnt be difficult to find a scan proving this. The targets that Superman are moving his hands against are not moving targets which would be kind of different than using combat speed against a target that has mobility along with speed themselves.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I don't know about that. Whether you agree with Carver or not he has the right to voice his opinion. He hasn't insulted anyone, and by and large, his tone has been civil, albeit persistent, even in the face of some pretty harsh and frank rebuttals on the part of others.

At this point it's been firmly established that the tier placements Carver is advocating for the DBZ characters have more than enough opposition so that they will not stand, so we can either decide collectively on a tier placement that is democratically elected for them, or drop the subject altogether and address it when things settle down.

Cooler heads need to prevail for this exercise to work. That's the bottom line.

Anyone else for river tam for elite street?I have one nod: Delph.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
😂

Mabye you found a solution.

Thats not a solution since I never stated that ANY DBZ character is Abstract level. I said Goku, Frieza, Cell, Brolly, Cooler, Janemba, along with numerous of others are above high herald along with other debators. I wish you all stop pointing only me out when again, some of the best debators on the forum has stated the same things, hell, 2 of them stated that Goku is above even sky father.

Originally posted by carver9
I already posted the link where Akira stated Cell had power enough to destroy a solar system and you seen where people responded to akiras statement.

I know they were good, I seen EVERY last one of those scans and again, did I ever say that Superman was slow. Those scans wasnt on par with Goku even duirng the time that he was a child or a teen. Every last one of them were bull rushes, that is why I am asking for combat speed feats. Hell, one of the scans was from a Bizarro comic where it is made as childs play and anyone can do anything. Bizarro comics are NEVER to be taken serious. You can kind of tell when they use Bizarro as a serious character and that comic wasnt one of them. They even have choices with those, like him fighting Doomsday rex, or him fighting Mongul Jr, or the Imperex probe but it still aint DBZ style fighting but its enough to make me think that Superman is one of the fastest heralds when it comes to combat.

Did you even see the scan of superman fighting wonderwoman?Thats the closest thing I saw that was a DBZ style combat speed.And illustrated like you like it.It still doesn't compare to the higher level DBZ fights like not being able to see them period and only being able to sense their energy levels but a speed feats is a speed feat ans its a good one at that.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Bolt, the only thing you are trying to do is dispute me because other people are disputing against me. I know what that is showing but again, its not in a combat scenerio. If a character can fight as fast as character "A", it shouldnt be difficult to find a scan proving this. The targets that Superman are moving his hands against are not moving targets which would be kind of different than using combat speed against a target that has mobility along with speed themselves.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats not a solution since I never stated that ANY DBZ character is Abstract level. I said Goku, Frieza, Cell, Brolly, Cooler, Janemba, along with numerous of others are above high herald along with other debators. I wish you all stop pointing only me out when again, some of the best debators on the forum has stated the same things, hell, 2 of them stated that Goku is above even sky father.

I mean IMO janemba(final form)is only around thanos level.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
You posted a link.I looked at it but didn't see it.If you could post it again...I seriously looked but didn't see it.

I doubt carver actully looked and being as gullible as he is belived the guy without checking.

Now he's got it in his head that the link is legit.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's because he posted a link to google search results, the first link in the search was a rickroll equivilent trolling on the subject.

I doubt carver actully looked and being as gullible as he is belived the guy without checking.

Now he's got it in his head that the link is legit.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
You posted a link.I looked at it but didn't see it.If you could post it again...I seriously looked but didn't see it.

Did you even see the scan of superman fighting wonderwoman?Thats the closest thing I saw that was a DBZ style combat speed.And illustrated like you like it.It still doesn't compare to the higher level DBZ fights like not being able to see them period and only being able to sense their energy levels but a speed feats is a speed feat ans its a good one at that.

I know and I never said that it wasnt a good speed feat. I know Superman is fast and again, I have seen that speed feat along with his others numerous of times. I know what Superman is capable of, hell, I'm the only person on KMC that has EVER posted a bio regarding Superman that states his strength, speed and durability (even though a lot of people hated it).

My entire argument wasnt regarding Superman NOT being fast because if you look back, I said Superman is one of the fastest heralds but what I DID say is Superman isnt DBZ fast. I never said that he didnt have fast reflexes, I never said that he does not have combat speed, I even said that he would land the first 5 hits on Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, and the list goes on but I specifically said "Superman is fast but he IS NOT Goku fast" and with CIS on or off, "HE ISNT". He doesnt have the feats proving this and that is my argument. I could easily say that since Wolverine have combat speed, he can fight like DBZ characters but I would be lying because he doesnt have the showings to back this claim up.

You can show me Superman picking a hundred apples off of a tree in less than a second, I wouldnt consider that combat speed because its not a movable object AND it wasnt used during combat. Superman changing his cloths at Super speed etc... yes, that is impressive, hell, I can post KID GOKU slapping numerous of bullets that is coming at him by 10 shooters with machine guns to match every feat that you put up regarding Superman reflexes but its pointless because its not in a combat situation but if I post someone like Goku, who HAS super speed punching at Frieza and before Goku super fast punch touch him, frieze moves so fast that it appears as if he teleported and Goku turns around and Frieza is like a mile away, THAT is a combat speed feat... that feat along make me realize that Superman entire rogue wouldnt even land a lick on Frieza.

Thats what want you to understand.

Anyway.

Yuki Nagato... low meta? Maybe mid.

Based on physical abilities, although she has something akin to reality warping.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I'm not trying to dispute you.I think DBZ characters should be higher then they are.But it doesn't have to be specifically in combat to be able to be used for something like a combat speed feat.Like I said I still don't think it compares to hgiher level DBZ feats but its still very impressive nonetheless.And I would use it as a combat speed feat. I agree with that too.SOme deserve to be higher.But I also think you are upplaying.I mean IMO the only DBZ character that would ever have the slightest chance of being above skyfather is gogeta SS4.

I mean IMO janemba(final form)is only around thanos level.

I agree, I would use it as well because Superman is fast but I disagree with you about the skyfather thingy. I think numerous of people are skyfathers in DBZ.

In regards to your comment about Janemba, if you know of a thread where we can go to debate this, I can provide NUMEROUS of reasons on why Janemba would stomp Thanos 10/10.

Originally posted by carver9
I know and I never said that it wasnt a good speed feat. I know Superman is fast and again, I have seen that speed feat along with his others numerous of times. I know what Superman is capable of, hell, I'm the only person on KMC that has EVER posted a bio regarding Superman that states his strength, speed and durability (even though a lot of people hated it).

My entire argument wasnt regarding Superman NOT being fast because if you look back, I said Superman is one of the fastest heralds but what I DID say is Superman isnt DBZ fast. I never said that he didnt have fast reflexes, I never said that he does not have combat speed, I even said that he would land the first 5 hits on Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, and the list goes on but I specifically said "Superman is fast but he IS NOT Goku fast" and with CIS on or off, "HE ISNT". He doesnt have the feats proving this and that is my argument. I could easily say that since Wolverine have combat speed, he can fight like DBZ characters but I would be lying because he doesnt have the showings to back this claim up.

You can show me Superman picking a hundred apples off of a tree in less than a second, I wouldnt consider that combat speed because its not a movable object AND it wasnt used during combat. Superman changing his cloths at Super speed etc... yes, that is impressive, hell, I can post KID GOKU slapping numerous of bullets that is coming at him by 10 shooters with machine guns to match every feat that you put up regarding Superman reflexes but its pointless because its not in a combat situation but if I post someone like Goku, who HAS super speed punching at Frieza and before Goku super fast punch touch him, frieze moves so fast that it appears as if he teleported and Goku turns around and Frieza is like a mile away, THAT is a combat speed feat... that feat along make me realize that Superman entire rogue wouldnt even land a lick on Frieza.

Thats what want you to understand.

And you do also know that kid goku dodged machine gun bullets by swaying back and forth no more then a foot right?

And I also disagree.Superman would land hit on freiza pretty easily.I never say that great of speed feats from freiza.The good speed feats start and then continue in and past the cell saga.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Well to be fair superman with CIS off would beat anyone under SS3 pretty easily IMO.

And you do also know that kid goku dodged machine gun bullets by swaying back and forth no more then a foot right?

And I also disagree.Superman would land hit on freiza pretty easily.I never say that great of speed feats from freiza.The good speed feats start and then continue in and past the cell saga.

WTF... ok, I'm going to show you some frieza speed feats and then we can drop this.

How is Superman hitting freiza when he doesnt have the feats backing this up?

One sec...

Originally posted by carver9
WTF... ok, I'm going to show you some frieza speed feats and then we can drop this.

How is Superman hitting freiza when he doesnt have the feats backing this up?

One sec...

Except he does.

Ok.1...2...i'm still waiting.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Anyway.

Yuki Nagato... low meta? Maybe mid.

Based on physical abilities, although she has something akin to reality warping.

Either the movie, the light novel or the manga?

She pulled a doctor doom nicked Haruhi's power. And warped the universe so that she would have a chance to get to know Kyon better, and in the endless eight exhibited a resistence to Haruhi's power.

Though during her fight with Asakura she had several steel bars sticking through her with nothing more than a "It's just a scratch."

I think she's a little higher maybe mid or high meta, possibly as high as elite.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
It was the second link when he posted it.He posted a link to a google link page.It was the second one down.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you familiar with what she did in "the dissapearence of Haruhi Suzumiya"?

Either the movie, the light novel or the manga?

She pulled a doctor doom nicked Haruhi's power. And warped the universe so that she would have a chance to get to know Kyon better, and in the endless eight exhibited a resistence to Haruhi's power.

Though during her fight with Asakura she had several steel bars sticking through her with nothing more than a "It's just a scratch."

I think she's a little higher maybe mid or high meta, possibly as high as elite.

I'd support a mid or high placement. In retrospect I probably undershot quite a bit.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why didn't he post a link directly to it instead of a stupid google search?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Not nessicarily talking about combat speed but blitzing and superior punching power in general.

Except he does.

Ok.1...2...i'm still waiting.

Black Bolt, I dont think you ever watched DBZ and I'm being serious, not trying to be mean but some of the things that you say seems, odd 😕 .

How when he does not have the combat speed comparable. Thats like me saying Rogue could hit Quicksilver even though she doesnt have comparable feats?

Originally posted by carver9
Black Bolt, I dont think you ever watched DBZ and I'm being serious, not trying to be mean but some of the things that you say seems, odd 😕 .

How when he does not have the combat speed comparable. Thats like me saying Rogue could hit Quicksilver even though she doesnt have comparable feats?

Originally posted by carver9
WTF... ok, I'm going to show you some frieza speed feats and then we can drop this.

How is Superman hitting freiza when he doesnt have the feats backing this up?

One sec...

why doesnt he?