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Have a question Illa... on DBZ King Ki was looking for Goku and tracked his space ship in space instantly (along with looking at it) and this ship was going at least a hundred to thousand times the speed of light.

A couple of episodes later Goku and Frieza was fighting and King Ki stated that they were moving so fast that he was unable to keep up with them. With that said, we have a on panel showing of King Ki tracking something that was moving at multiple times the speed of light instantly but it was moving in a straight line. When Goku and Frieza was fighting they were zig zagging around but they were still moving at super speed. So with the zig zag motion that Frieza and Goku were doing, do you think that was the reason King Ki was unable to track them or were they moving at speeds far greater than what he can perceive?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's not an argument in of itself, but if Illa replies and you answer back it will be an argument. That you will lose.

Why? Because you're Starscream.

Edit: It's Pwned, not Poaned. durpalm

And you couldn't pwn a ham and cheese sandwich.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question Illa... on DBZ King Ki was looking for Goku and tracked his space ship in space instantly (along with looking at it) and this ship was going at least a hundred to thousand times the speed of light.

A couple of episodes later Goku and Frieza was fighting and King Ki stated that they were moving so fast that he was unable to keep up with them. With that said, we have a on panel showing of King Ki tracking something that was moving at multiple times the speed of light instantly but it was moving in a straight line. When Goku and Frieza was fighting they were zig zagging around but they were still moving at super speed. So with the zig zag motion that Frieza and Goku were doing, do you think that was the reason King Ki was unable to track them or were they moving at speeds far greater than what he can perceive?

Also Illa, fast forward this to 3 minutes and 52 seconds. Vegeta and Goku punches appears as if it is so strong that it is shattering bolders and small hills. Do you think KI had something to do with this or do you think it was pure punching power?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4rqwpKkLo&feature=related

What about this picollo and Frieza fight? They were physically fighting each other and it appears as if there punches was creating shockwaves that was creating tidal waves around them and cause huge sonic booms around their bodies. Then we actually see them punching, using no KI. Do you think Ki was involved with this or is it pure punching power?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEs-nBri_U8

Start at 7 minutes and 22 seconds: I'm not seeing any KI involved with this... I'm seeing physical punches. If you think that this is them using KI... can you explain why?

Thanks Illa; just asking you because you are not bias against a lot of characters like a lot of people are.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How far away did bulma say namek was?

It was in another Galaxy. She said that it was millions of light years away and it took goku 6 days to get there.

Originally posted by carver9
Also Illa, fast forward this to 3 minutes and 52 seconds. Vegeta and Goku punches appears as if it is so strong that it is shattering bolders and small hills. Do you think KI had something to do with this or do you think it was pure punching power?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4rqwpKkLo&feature=related

What about this picollo and Frieza fight? They were physically fighting each other and it appears as if there punches was creating shockwaves that was creating tidal waves around them and cause huge sonic booms around their bodies. Then we actually see them punching, using no KI. Do you think Ki was involved with this or is it pure punching power?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEs-nBri_U8

Start at 7 minutes and 22 seconds: I'm not seeing any KI involved with this... I'm seeing physical punches. If you think that this is them using KI... can you explain why?

Thanks Illa; just asking you because you are not bias against a lot of characters like a lot of people are.

And by the way.Its spelled Kai.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Carver this is simple...if they're not touching the landforms then its the ki.If they are its probably pure punching power which is powered by their ki.

And by the way.Its spelled Kai.

You are not getting what I am saying. The shockwaves from someones punch is powerful enough to do a lot of things. In the instances that i was showing you... Goku and Vegeta was physically fighting each other so with that said, their punches could have been so strong that it was destroying boulders around them from the shockwaves.

As for the Picollo and Frieza fight, there isnt anything showing that it was Kai being used, you dont see anything but physical punches which was creating explosions.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Carver this is simple...if they're not touching the landforms then its the ki.If they are its probably pure punching power which is powered by their ki.

And by the way.Its spelled Kai.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No its definitely spelled ki.

Originally posted by Starscream M
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/King_Kai

Sten from dragon age for low meta.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question Illa... on DBZ King Ki was looking for Goku and tracked his space ship in space instantly (along with looking at it) and this ship was going at least a hundred to thousand times the speed of light.

A couple of episodes later Goku and Frieza was fighting and King Ki stated that they were moving so fast that he was unable to keep up with them. With that said, we have a on panel showing of King Ki tracking something that was moving at multiple times the speed of light instantly but it was moving in a straight line. When Goku and Frieza was fighting they were zig zagging around but they were still moving at super speed. So with the zig zag motion that Frieza and Goku were doing, do you think that was the reason King Ki was unable to track them or were they moving at speeds far greater than what he can perceive?

I think it was a combination of the two factors, i.e., erratic movement at high speed. For example, it's easy to track a jet flying above head at 600mph, but it's hard to track a bee or a housefly zipping around a room. I'm of the school of thought that Frieza and Goku were going near C due to the entire battle occurring in 5 minutes, but detractors have grounds due to the fight speed never actually being stated or having a concrete manner to determine it.

Plus haters gonna hate.

Edit*

Just saw your second set of questions Carver. The collateral damage is, in my opinion, caused by the shockwaves of their blow impacts and movements. While the Z fighters can cause collateral damage while they power up, once that process is complete typically the collateral damage it causes ceases to be generated. That's evidenced also by the fact that while Vegeta and Goku are having a conversation with energy emanating and crackling on their person no further damage is happening to the landscape. Clearly their actions were the cause, not simply the presence of their ki.

Originally posted by amnesia
Sten from dragon age for low meta.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm of the school of thought that Frieza and Goku were going near C due to the entire battle occurring in 5 minutes, but detractors have grounds due to the fight speed never actually being stated or having a concrete manner to determine it.

So they would have to be moving at at least 20x faster then normal but thats also not that hard to do if you compare it to comics.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I wouldn't say low meta.Yeah hes strong but hes not superhuman.Just a huge guy with big armor and a sword.

Cinematics are canon. He easily overwhelmed like 15 darspawns with nothing but strength.

Originally posted by amnesia
Cinematics are canon. He easily overwhelmed like 15 darspawns with nothing but strength.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And a darkspawn(except for ogres and the like)never displayed anywhere near superhuman strength.Just tainted monsters.And really someone liek captain america or batman could do that with ease.If you give him his best armor and best weapons yes mabye high street but i'd probably say more around low.

Well, they got at least human strength. I'd say Sten is at least a 1 tonner.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yeah when I was watching it I was like WTF...how can they turn 5 min into 6 episodes...

So they would have to be moving at at least 20x faster then normal but thats also not that hard to do if you compare it to comics.

Why isn't that hard to do? Evrything that you seen happened in five minutes... they had to been moving past the speed of light or above. The thing about this is that they show them moving at super speed the entire time... the battle never slowed. Now since you said thisz was easy to do "prove it", show me a character doing something similar. The only fight that comes to mind is the flash and zoom fight and during that entire fight everyone appeared as a statue including the entire jla team. Then when vegeta was revived he looked at the fight from a distance and goku and frieza was fighting at ridiculous speeds.

So prove your claim if it is something that is normal or give goku his props and stop down playing the character.

dude, they're not moving at lightspeed... prove that shit!

Also, just because I say DBZ character's aren't moving at ftl speeds, it doesn't mean I'm downplaying the character... the more likely scenario is that you don't have a firm grasp on the concept of what ftl is.

Originally posted by amnesia
Well, they got at least human strength. I'd say Sten is at least a 1 tonner.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I think it was a combination of the two factors, i.e., erratic movement at high speed. For example, it's easy to track a jet flying above head at 600mph, but it's hard to track a bee or a housefly zipping around a room. I'm of the school of thought that Frieza and Goku were going near C due to the entire battle occurring in 5 minutes, but detractors have grounds due to the fight speed never actually being stated or having a concrete manner to determine it.

So unless it's stated they're traveling at or near light speed we should assume they aren't.