Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I can't speak for anyone else but I haven't read Forgotten Realms.

A list of feats always helps.

Jaraxle is a dark elf in peak form. His agility, dexterity and reflexes would be peak-human to low superhuman (leaning more towards super-human). He posses few hundred years of fighting experiences. He has a demon horse in his possession. He has eye path which blocks out telepath, he has magical unlimited throwing knifes, he can also turn them into any sword length he wants. He extremely skilled sword master rivalling artmis enteri, man who has stalemated drizzt. He can see in perfect darkness, has superhuman senses. He can call forth magical globes of complete darkness and can levitate himself. He can take the feather off his hat an it turn into a giant killer bird. He also has at least two magical wands which one can firer fire balls, while the other firers webbing. He also I believe posses a number of author abilities, that I simply can't remember off the top of my head.

Arograth posses belt which grants him strength of a giant which makes him in several ton range, he posses enhanced durability allow him to take shots from super strong opponents and shrug it off. He wields extremely powerful morning stars which on impact create large and powerful explosions. he also posses superhuman stamina. He posses delayed aging from witches curses, and is extremely experienced fighter being well over 300 years of age.

Originally posted by The Nuul
I dunno, I cannot stand this anime/manga shit so ask them.

Originally posted by The Nuul
I dunno, sounded like it, I am not a gaming geek either.

It not a game lol. There characters from RA Salvatores books.

Think kinda like lord rings movie, but characters are much more badass.

Ohhhhhh, right. I remember now, I read some of the Forgotten Realms novels and played AD&D. Stupid me....its been a while.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Ohhhhhh, right. I remember now, I read some of the Forgotten Realms novels and played AD&D. Stupid me....its been a while.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont have the books in front of me, so I can't bring forth page numbers at the moment, but I can list there abilities.

Jaraxle is a dark elf in peak form. His agility, dexterity and reflexes would be peak-human to low superhuman (leaning more towards super-human). He posses few hundred years of fighting experiences. He has a demon horse in his possession. He has eye path which blocks out telepath, he has magical unlimited throwing knifes, he can also turn them into any sword length he wants. He extremely skilled sword master rivalling artmis enteri, man who has stalemated drizzt. He can see in perfect darkness, has superhuman senses. He can call forth magical globes of complete darkness and can levitate himself. He can take the feather off his hat an it turn into a giant killer bird. He also has at least two magical wands which one can firer fire balls, while the other firers webbing. He also I believe posses a number of author abilities, that I simply can't remember off the top of my head.

Arograth posses belt which grants him strength of a giant which makes him in several ton range, he posses enhanced durability allow him to take shots from super strong opponents and shrug it off. He wields extremely powerful morning stars which on impact create large and powerful explosions. he also posses superhuman stamina. He posses delayed aging from witches curses, and is extremely experienced fighter being well over 300 years of age.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Low Meta then from the sound of it.

yea I was thinking the same, though Jaraxle may be able to get a push to mid meta becuase of all the magical items he has. I think he even has an item that lets him send others to the fade.

I nominate the shadow dragon from DBGT for abstract.King kai said he could destroy the universe.None of the shadow dragons themselves are near that level but the shadow dragon himself(the one with the cigar).

.......you watched DBGT....your clearly not a fan of DBZ........

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
.......you watched DBGT....your clearly not a fan of DBZ........

Haters gonna hate.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I seriously don't see what people don't like about it.I mean its a little PISey but not that much more then DBZ.

for starters krillin is one of the youngest, yet in GT he an hold friggin man.......which is absurd since yamcha who a good 7 years his elder, looks about 10 years younger as does tien who also much older then krillin, actaully everyone looked much younger then him, so krillin some how magically age much older then people who were almost if not a decade older then him........then there the fact krillin was stronger then 18 prior to the end of dragon ball z, but in GT he some how he vastly weaker then her.....and was scared of friggin napa....which as absurd.

Then you have the fact sayin hair automatically grows back to original length when cut, and yet vegeta has completely different and much shorter hair.

Then you have that garbage about goku turning into a kid which was reidculous, then you have the fact he grow back his tail again which was rediculous.

I honestly believe If I even put in the slightest effort I could find at least 100 plus contrdictions.

dude who wrote it sucked vegita dick, and he still did the worst job ever even with vegata.....it so bad it not even consider cannon with DBZ.......

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
the fact it contrdicts ever dam thing in dragon ball z.

for starters krillin is one of the youngest, yet in GT he an hold friggin man.......which is absurd since yamcha who a good 7 years his elder, looks about 10 years younger as does tien who also much older then krillin, actaully everyone looked much younger then him, so krillin some how magically age much older then people who were almost if not a decade older then him........then there the fact krillin was stronger then 18 prior to the end of dragon ball z, but in GT he some how he vastly weaker then her.....and was scared of friggin napa....which as absurd.

Then you have the fact sayin hair automatically grows back to original length when cut, and yet vegeta has completely different and much shorter hair.

Then you have that garbage about goku turning into a kid which was reidculous, then you have the fact he grow back his tail again which was rediculous.

I honestly believe If I even put in the slightest effort I could find at least 100 plus contrdictions.

dude who wrote it sucked vegita dick, and he still did the worst job ever even with vegata.....it so bad it not even consider cannon with DBZ.......

When was this said?And does it really matter?I mean it is a contrdiction if they're hair length changes?Really? 😬

Because one of the most powerful dragons did it?Not exactly garbage when he was wished back.And sayian kids seem to be able to regrow their tail as piccolo removed it like twice and vegeta once within a year.

Please do as none of them hold true.

I admit they did make vegeta suck.Its not a contridiction though its just poor writing.And TBH he wasn't even that involved in anything.he was baby in the baby saga.He was no threat to super 17 and neither was Goku SS4.And I haven't finished the shadow dragon saga yet.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I nominate the shadow dragon from DBGT for abstract.King kai said he could destroy the universe.None of the shadow dragons themselves are near that level but the shadow dragon himself(the one with the cigar).

Digi's take on the prior tiers thread:

The tiers thread failed at everything it was intended to accomplish. Not only did it only create problems, but it didn't solve any either. The purpose was to create a rough guideline for vs. forum reference, to streamline battles. In reality, those who don't need the aid of the list were familiar with it, and those who desperately needed its guidance either didn't know it existed or ignored it entirely.

It also became popular to simply dismiss the list based on 1-2 mistakes they saw with it. The differences of opinion on the forums ensures that no one will ever like the entire list.

Then there was this thread itself, which often turned into flame wars over controversial characters. Too few seemed to realize that the list was never meant to be perfect, never can be perfect in anyone's eyes. I always encouraged those who created problems to make their own lists for personal use. It never worked...proving themselves right over whether {character X} was in mid or high was always too pressing to let it be.

The one good thing it did was create a shared vocabulary for levels (meta, street, trans, etc.). But those are now instilled in the forums, and the thread is no longer needed to ensure that others learn them, since they now assimilate the vocabulary from interacting on the forums.

If you're a knowledgeable poster, you already know what the tiers thread will tell you. And if you're not, you're not going to take KMC's word for it without figuring things out for yourself. So, I'm not going to decide what to do with this thread because I consider this more your forum than mine anymore. But my advice, for both yourselves and the forum, is to close it and forget about it. If others disagree, it's because they want this thread open, but they're speaking from a personal perspective, not one that takes into account its affect on the entire forum.

If this thread becomes a source of problems or a headache for the mods, I will ban anything DBZ from this forum and close the thread. There is no reason for people to get into multi page debates. This is a reference guide, a guess based on a consensus.

Originally posted by Badabing
Digi's take on the prior tiers thread:

If this thread becomes a source of problems or a headache for the mods, I will ban anything DBZ from this forum and close the thread. There is no reason for people to get into multi page debates. This is a reference guide, a guess based on a consensus.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So looking older as apposed to being older is a contrdiction?I could probably find a lot of 40 year olds that look a lot older then a lot of 60 year olds.Its just the way it is.And I never recall him being stronger then 18.Proof?And krillan never saw nappa....nappa busted a city with two fingers then vegeta one shotted him.

Yes he stronger then 18, also another contradiction I found with DBGT. it was revealed that she was human who was enhanced by the doctor. In DBGT they act as if they were made from complete scratch, but we know for a fact that is not true. yet another contradiction.

I give you the Nappa thing, that was my mistake, I miss remember it I was thinking of 17 who he ran from.

Oh thats another thing, 17 andriod 18 brother was never enhanced further, but some how he magically able to take krillin out with a single blast? and when he merges with other 17 they become to powerful for goku? which doesn't even make senses, he was supposes to be just as strong as he had always been.

Now for the krillin being stronger then 18. Yamcha stated krillinm during the tournament was the stronger human on the planet. 18 is in fact a human. Krillin also when on to of dente tower states when super buu apeares, that he the strongest one left. 18 and yamcha were both there and then he attacks super buu. Then then the fact when he in outerworld (heaven), king kai states that he is the strongest in outworld and that he needs to go fight buu (which krillin freaks out about lol) 18 and again yamacha were both on the planet. Then there is bio brolly were krillin saves 18 life, almost kills brolly and shruggs of an attack that knocked his wife out.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
When was this said?And does it really matter?I mean it is a contrdiction if they're hair length changes?Really? 😬

No I know a left some stuff off and I get to it later, but I gotta bounce, gotta start drinking to go to night club.

DBZ wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for several bad apples.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
We has a small talk about it.

I thought Tien was the most powerful regular human?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
you never find a fit peak level person who looks ten years older then a less physically fit individual who 10 years older then him. The dude clearly did not do his homework. Which was obvious through the entire show.

Yes he stronger then 18, also another contradiction I found with DBGT. it was revealed that she was human who was enhanced by the doctor. In DBGT they act as if they were made from complete scratch, but we know for a fact that is not true. yet another contradiction.

I give you the Nappa thing, that was my mistake, I miss remember it I was thinking of 17 who he ran from.

Oh thats another thing, 17 andriod 18 brother was never enhanced further, but some how he magically able to take krillin out with a single blast? and when he merges with other 17 they become to powerful for goku? which doesn't even make senses, he was supposes to be just as strong as he had always been.

Now for the krillin being stronger then 18. Yamcha stated krillinm during the tournament was the stronger human on the planet. 18 is in fact a human. Krillin also when on to of dente tower states when super buu apeares, that he the strongest one left. 18 and yamcha were both there and then he attacks super buu. Then then the fact when he in outerworld (heaven), king kai states that he is the strongest in outworld and that he needs to go fight buu (which krillin freaks out about lol) 18 and again yamacha were both on the planet. Then there is bio brolly were krillin saves 18 life, almost kills brolly and shruggs of an attack that knocked his wife out.

It was said in the beinging of dragin ball z, it was also referenced in dragon ball. It was actually a big deal. sayin, hair stay just the same even when cut it grows right back to the same length. it bee impossible for vegeta to have the length of hair and style that he has.

No I know a left some stuff off and I get to it later, but I gotta bounce, gotta start drinking to go to night club.

She an entirely an android...

A shot through the heart tends to do that...😬

18 was never human before the wish.But Okay krillan is stronger then 18.I don't see how its relevant in this discussion.

So it still doesn't really matter at all.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I thought Tien was the most powerful regular human?

Actually now that I think of it Uub was probably the strongest regular human, possessing Kid Buu's power in human form.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Can you also haz cheezeburger?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm pretty sure Krillin surpasses him in the Cell saga.