Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Endless Mike
You have no more arguments. Stop posting incomplete clips and lying about them.

LMAO!! 😆

You proved me right again, Ignoring the canon episodes and using your own theories and trying to pass them over as fact. I post NOthing but canon EPISODES, FULL EPISODES throughout the entire debate and you want to say thats incomplete and Lying 🙄 LOL, I AM NOT YOU! The very fact that you used WIKIPEDIA....YES WIKIPEDIA (LOL that alone shows you failed 👇 ) to try and put THAT over the CANON episodes in your argument shows your desperation and FANBOYISM. Your nothing but a fanboy, here you go; let me help you out......

Wikipedia isnt a bad source if theres no other source but if your episodes are actually showing the truth then wikipedia fails, unless its simply your opinion of whats happening in the vids

other than that ime keeping out of this weird raging argument

LOL Wikipedia is FANBASE and NEVER canon!! Mike just proves me right everytime; he will ignore canon and believe his own theories and fanon to try and win, Mike isn't even respectable anymore.

I will let him have the last say(that's what he really wants right or wrong), unlike him I don't have a hate for ANY ANIME I actually enjoy Tenchi muyo and other series.

Wikipedia is fanbase, but not everything on it is untrue, theres a diffrent between fans and blind fans, fans enjoy said series or characters and wouldnt lie about them to make them seem stronger on wikipedia. Looking through wikipedia for my own genres i like, theres nothing wrong so obviously its not all false, but true, a "better" amount of evidence than wikipedia is greater weight in a debate, for example words from creators themselves

Wikipedia can be edited and written by fans, but I understand what your saying. I prefer the ACTUAL canon.

Kain high herald

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some effortless Telekinisis, float, some misting movements and Sanguine Censure

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Teleportation, soul/energy blasts
the player is terrible, altho that level is a bit annoying with kain teleporting, but meh, gameplay, at the end of the vid and beginning is good stuff on kain.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/forms.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo2/gifts.php

website on kains many powers and abilities, weather, energy, soul, his own blood, blood of others, mind powers..etc etc altho this is his weak powers, his evolved forms powers are unkown to some extent.

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fairly good combat scenes, dimension powers, various other abilities, elemental manipulations, fire and such

kains reavers

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverkain.php

also http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Deleted_Pillar_Reaver_Upgrades.html he would originally have the rest of the pillar reavers, if it were not for developers running out of time

kain gains Raziels reavers

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverraz.php

Developer questiosn and answers, answered

http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Amy_Hennig.html
http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Jen,_Richard,_and_Kyle.html
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=37412

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uncannon movie but i like it so ill add it anyway

Burning thought do you know what high level herald is? It's Superman/Silver Surfer level. None of those thing remotely match high herald. Explosions capabale of killing normal people and low level TK arn't even low herald level.

When he can survive the sun, shatter mountains or not be hurt by medieval weaponry (I know he can heal but it still hurts) then you can call him a mid level herald.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Burning thought do you know what high level herald is? It's Superman/Silver Surfer level. None of those thing remotely match high herald. Explosions capabale of killing normal people and low level TK arn't even low herald level.

When he can survive the sun, shatter mountains or not be hurt by medieval weaponry (I know he can heal but it still hurts) then you can call him a mid level herald.

survive? he cannot die at all.....unless ofc his soul is eaten

but manipulations of time, dimensions and such is fine compariing him to the current genre high herald chracters, he could stop time and beat most beings if he needs to, but i suppose its not about who he can beat otherwise hed be skyfather, also hes never been in-cannon hit by a medieval warrior and harmed...the guys had his heart torn out and not even bothered, i suppose the gameplay vids are misleading. Gameplay only show canon powers,you dont think continual blasts of lightning could shatter a mountain?

continual blasts of lightning could shatter a mountain?

Considering in canon they haven't even blown up a boulder, no.

could stop time

So can many herald levelers. Other could punt into space in the time it takes a synapse in Kains brain to fire. Many of them could simply sit there while Kain wails on them.

also hes never been in-cannon hit by a medieval warrior and harmed

Any 'canon' showings of him resisting such weaponry?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Considering in canon they haven't even blown up a boulder, no.

So can many herald levelers. Other could punt into space in the time it takes a synapse in Kains brain to fire. Many of them could simply sit there while Kain wails on them.

Any 'canon' showings of him resisting such weaponry?

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i should hope you realise having ones heart torn out is greater than being stabbed by weapons

what do you mean blow up a boulder? a lightning bolt has within it the heat of the surface of the sun, if a lightning bolt strikes a mountain, its going to be pretty damaged. Let alone many bolts

destruction is not the only thing that holds in ranking, also what do you mean while he wails on them, those with a soul and no ressitence are one hitted by soul death....and yeh, so they punt him into space or whatever? so what...in the time it takes for the brain wave to hit the can do what they like..before their frozen also when have heralds stopped/slowed time? i have not heard that before ,travel yes but stop/slow?

Originally posted by Burning thought
what do you mean blow up a boulder? a lightning bolt has within it the heat of the surface of the sun, if a lightning bolt strikes a mountain, its going to be pretty damaged. Let alone many bolts

Also note: His regenerative property is not any greater than that of Wolverine who's not herald level.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you talking about actual lightining which normal people are capable of surviving?

sure, only kains lightning blasts people to pieces, furthermore he controls it, so he could very well send lightning in a constant stream if he so needed to, the only reason normal people survive is because the initile bolt is so fast, obviously kains is either even hotter and more dense than surface of the sun lightning OR he has power to call it down for a longer period, although this would mean he could literally melt through the earth. Although destroying the planet through lightning wouldnt be neccerily difficult in the right place.

who needs regeneration when you cannot be killed by anything, and does wolverine have all kains other powers? no, picking at everything is pointless, Kos-mos cannot do half the things some high heralds can do but she is at high herald level

Originally posted by Burning thought
sure, only kains lightning blasts people to pieces, furthermore he controls it, so he could very well send lightning in a constant stream if he so needed to, the only reason normal people survive is because the initile bolt is so fast, obviously kains is either even hotter and more dense than surface of the sun lightning OR he has power to call it down for a longer period, although this would mean he could literally melt through the earth. Although destroying the planet through lightning wouldnt be neccerily difficult in the right place.

Originally posted by Burning thought
who needs regeneration when you cannot be killed by anything, and does wolverine have all kains other powers? no, picking at everything is pointless, Kos-mos cannot do half the things some high heralds can do but she is at high herald level

So his power isn't really even as high as herald level? Methinks I might have been too generous with my previous placement of mid-herald level.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or it would considering that it doesn't destroy boulders.

Yes, if you want to be up with the hearlds you have to be able to preform something on par with the heralds. if all of your abilities are only meta level then you'd actually be a meta level being. That's just the way things work I'm affraid.

So his power isn't really even as high as herald level? Methinks I might have been too generous with my previous placement of mid-herald level.

on-par. beyond he can do and many of them, show me where a herald stops time please, or slows it down, but it doesnt really matter, beings in lower tiers can beat higher tiers. Obviously if kain is put in lower than mid, also all the Heralds can die i assume, kain cannot...

also why is Dante in mid-herald, he has no mid-herald feets? or was this a popularity vote, the guys never done a herald feet, hes more of a top meta being imo, or maybe a low herald

show me a vid of kain testing it on a boudler and failing to destroy it, breaking up logic just because a being has not "tested" lightning on a boulder doesnt mean he is a lack of destroying a boulder, if he can blow a human to pieces with it, a boulder would be no challenge.

Actually I love the LOK series and Kain is one of my fav characters from them I just don't see him as Herald.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Actually I love the LOK series and Kain is one of my fav characters from them I just don't see him as Herald.

well sure, thats a popularity thing, this isnt populairty vote tho (well it is but it shouldnt be) "why" if Dante is mid herald, in comparison to kains vast powers is kain put below? furthermore, why are destructive power only being taken into account, when with a whim kain could kill any being that has no soul protection and has a soul...regardless of their status...

not to menstion

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he beats the Elder God, engine of life, omnecient (almost, kain ofc is excempt from its omneciance) and a being that is in several time zones, spans the mass of Nosgoth itself and is invisible and etheeral to those who are not purified or of spectoral, it admits it can never kill kain and its the most arrogent thing in the game.

Originally posted by Burning thought
on-par. beyond he can do and many of them, show me where a herald stops time please, or slows it down, but it doesnt really matter, beings in lower tiers can beat higher tiers. Obviously if kain is put in lower than mid, also all the Heralds can die i assume, kain cannot...

Originally posted by Burning thought
also why is Dante in mid-herald, he has no mid-herald feets?

Originally posted by Burning thought
or was this a popularity vote, the guys never done a herald feet, hes more of a top meta being imo, or maybe a low herald

show me a vid of kain testing it on a boudler and failing to destroy it,

Originally posted by Burning thought
breaking up logic just because a being has not "tested" lightning on a boulder doesnt mean he is a lack of destroying a boulder,

Originally posted by Burning thought
if he can blow a human to pieces with it, a boulder would be no challenge.

Which explains why I can stab a boulder with a toothpick and have it not break.... oh wait, stabbing a boulder with a toothpick will just break the toothpick, however the wood is capable of peircing skin.

Not really a popularity thing I just don't overestimate his abilities.

Originally posted by Creshosk
His inability to die other than soul based things is no better than Wolverine. Its really not that impressive a thing.

Red herring. This isn't about Dante's placement right now, this is about Kain's.

No, burden of proof is yours to show that his lightning can destory boulders. You can't prove a negative and you're claiming a positive. You do not say "Kain can destroy with his lightning! Prove me wrong."

Actually you have yet to prove that he CAN. It is not up to those that say he can NOT.

Yes because a human is made of as durable material as a boulder is. 🙄

Which explains why I can stab a boulder with a toothpick and have it not break.... oh wait, stabbing a boulder with a toothpick will just break the toothpick, however the wood is capable of peircing skin.

really not impressive? wolverine can survive 1000 nuclear weapons, punched 1000 times by silver surfer or superman?....id be surprised if he could survive that

i dont understand red herring comment, but yes i belive it is dantes placement is just as important because its a comparison, kain being placed below dante if hes a far greater being is a comparison of discrimination and hate towards kain, OR false placing of Dante.

no its not on me, its logic, a boulder CAN be destroyed by a lightning bolt, can you not undersatnd this....and once again your wrong, it can depend on the boulder, the rock type, some rocks can be crumbled by human hands alone...but regardless, its logic, not something that needs to be proven in a game, its something logically correct. The only reason lightning does not shred the earth is because of the obvious quickness of the bolt, kains control and control of where it strikes is also a point to be considered.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Not really a popularity thing I just don't overestimate his abilities.

no yu seem to underestimate them, prove me wrong ofc...if you can 😉