Originally posted by Violent2DopeJust don't want BT to miss this. 😄
2. I still do believe the Pyron Andromeda thing, but I won't bring it up anymore. Pyron can still grow at least as large as the sun, as Hellstorm, a planet bigger than Jupiter, was like a basketball to him, and the size difference between Jupiter and the sun is not as vast as you might think. As for his speed, Pyron was as big as the planet before, and on the first panel, he was shown to be considerable smaller than it, and in the next one was a dot of light like a star in the distance. Also, 65 million years later, Pyron shows he doesn't need to build momentum at all. If I owned the UDON comics, I would know what his battles were like, but I unfortunately don't(also, new UDON comics of Streetfighter and DS are being released again, YAY!). I hope you do realise that going at the speed he is at in ball form, even Supes would be incinerated. He uses his chest to absorb that is true, but that is not his only way to kill his opponents, and he can use his shield and tele in ball form as well. He would not be able to use ranged attacks, you are right.5. What they lack in pure powers to Big G's Heralds, is made up with the amount he can create in short times. Pyron could just absorb SS btw, he is far greater, and he is physically strong enough to kill him. They are heralds no matter hiw you crack it, also, I am going to try and confirm CFE comics canonicity, if I can, he can create cosmic fire elementals with all the abilities he has, only on a lesser scale from his fingertips. How could Kain bust a planet? Has he ever shown anywhere near the power to? Pyron absorbs the entirity of planets, and has grown far stronger. Also, Pyron's absorption is not charged, don't know where you got that. 😬 I agree, Kain can probably manipulate alot of energy, but, he could not steal the Power Cosmic from Galactus as you said once. Pyron can create matter from nothing. He can easily destroy or absorb planets. He has cosmic awareness beyond planetary scale. He can shapeshift. He can change size. He can manipulate cosmic fire. He has immense strength. He can fly FTL. He has more powers, but I don't feel like mentioning them, and you forget that alot of Kain's powers actually come from his sword. Pre-Retcon Beyonder level basically means the character can do anything, he could one shot Pyron, Kain, Big G, and Jedah at the same time. If you said he was, I would tell everyone and you would never be taken seriously and would forever be on ignore.
Also, galaxy destroying is just a good Skyfather feat, it is not required, SS can fly millions of times lightspeed, Kain does not come even close, but Kain's nifty abilities give him mid-high Herald.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2. I still do believe the Pyron Andromeda thing, but I won't bring it up anymore. Pyron can still grow at least as large as the sun, as Hellstorm, a planet bigger than Jupiter, was like a basketball to him, and the size difference between Jupiter and the sun is not as vast as you might think. As for his speed, Pyron was as big as the planet before, and on the first panel, he was shown to be considerable smaller than it, and in the next one was a dot of light like a star in the distance. Also, 65 million years later, Pyron shows he doesn't need to build momentum at all. If I owned the UDON comics, I would know what his battles were like, but I unfortunately don't(also, new UDON comics of Streetfighter and DS are being released again, YAY!). I hope you do realise that going at the speed he is at in ball form, even Supes would be incinerated. He uses his chest to absorb that is true, but that is not his only way to kill his opponents, and he can use his shield and tele in ball form as well. He would not be able to use ranged attacks, you are right.5. What they lack in pure powers to Big G's Heralds, is made up with the amount he can create in short times. Pyron could just absorb SS btw, he is far greater, and he is physically strong enough to kill him. They are heralds no matter hiw you crack it, also, I am going to try and confirm CFE comics canonicity, if I can, he can create cosmic fire elementals with all the abilities he has, only on a lesser scale from his fingertips. How could Kain bust a planet? Has he ever shown anywhere near the power to? Pyron absorbs the entirity of planets, and has grown far stronger. Also, Pyron's absorption is not charged, don't know where you got that. 😬 I agree, Kain can probably manipulate alot of energy, but, he could not steal the Power Cosmic from Galactus as you said once. Pyron can create matter from nothing. He can easily destroy or absorb planets. He has cosmic awareness beyond planetary scale. He can shapeshift. He can change size. He can manipulate cosmic fire. He has immense strength. He can fly FTL. He has more powers, but I don't feel like mentioning them, and you forget that alot of Kain's powers actually come from his sword. Pre-Retcon Beyonder level basically means the character can do anything, he could one shot Pyron, Kain, Big G, and Jedah at the same time. If you said he was, I would tell everyone and you would never be taken seriously and would forever be on ignore.
Also, galaxy destroying is just a good Skyfather feat, it is not required, SS can fly millions of times lightspeed, Kain does not come even close, but Kain's nifty abilities give him mid-high Herald.
2. what do you mean he doesnt show he has to build momentum, we see him clearly moving into a suitable speed and momentum build up in the scan you showed, he doesnt instantly disapear into the distance, it shows if he can rly go FTL hes not going to be able to build momentum enough to do it in a battle when characters can go fast enough to stop him. Also Supes can go extremely fast, isnt he sometimes rated faster than even the surfer and as people haev said the surfers cleared many lightyears in seconds.
5. i would certainly not ay that makes up for their weakness because no matter how many he can create, their nothing on true heralds and i feel its an insult to call them that to Galactus. Absorb SS? how, all Pyrons scenes of absorbtion are when hes close and opens his chest, and where does it say or imply he can absorb things instantly... as i said, logically he could easily bust a planet with mere lightning, his energy i belive is greater than just lightning but i wouldnt try to prove it, but lightning alone if manipulated in positions and suspeneded for a long amount of time could easily destroy a planet, as i said, Lightning=suns surface heat..thats incredible, if the earth even moved slightly closer to the sun the planet would end up being disintegrated. The only reason lightning doesnt destroy the earth IRL is that its a quick shock strike, if kain kept constant currents coming, a planet like the Earth would be devasted, or if he made it happen in the Atsmopheres upper layers, Gas is flammable. I didnt say he could steal the power cosmic itself, i said Galactus' energy he gets from planets to power himself is energy nonetheless, given time (he would have it for reasons you can prob figuire out) then he would be able to eventually even if it took a long while drain Galactus, hell Galactus loses percentage of power from a lot of things, the guy needs to get a lot of energy to survive. Show me where he absorbs a planet instantly. His FTL movement is not in battle, his FTL is for example incredibly limited in what he can do while doing it compared to say Surfer/supes. No his sword has its own powers, basically bigger versions of some of his powers, mind, energy, Time are bigger scale versions of his own powers, kain without his sword can stop single beings in time, break the minds and mind control single things and rip out souls and call lightning, but with the sword its on a large scale, time manipuation to everything for example instead of one thing. You would tell everyone, a lot of people dont know who he is anyway so their views on him mean nothing but i never mentioned beyonder anything, you did, ime not as fanboyish and you like to belive.
Originally posted by Captain REX
Phenomenol, Endless Mike, please put each other on Ignore. That argument is going nowhere and is only becoming more violent. Thank you.Whitebeard, no need for commentary like that.
I'm sorry, but I can't do that. I feel responsible to deal with his crap.
BTW, Zinv is from Parallel Dual, another series by Kajishima which he stated was in continuity with the Tenchi Muyo universe.
Anyone watching the black hole clip can tell I'm right.
In OVA 19, Tsunami and Tokimi destroyed a large part of the galaxy. Z was right there next to the energy release, it didn't harm him. This is obvious to anyone who watches it.
BTW, following phenomenol's argument to its logical conclusion, we end up with:
Z's 2 LHW (after he sacrificed 3 to cancel Tenchi's) > Ryo-Ohki (since he blocked Ryo - Ohki's attack with one hand easily)
Ryo - Ohki > Chobimaru (stated in GXP)
Chobimaru > Tenchi's 6 LHWs (phenomenol's argument)
Which reduces to: Z's 2 LHWs > Tenchi's 6 LHWs. Which is obviously untrue.
It was Tenchi's conscious activation of his powers that sent him to the hyperdimension (the strain of summoning 6 LHWs). He was never hit nor hurt by the Chobimaru's attack, which was completely nullified.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm sorry, but I can't do that. I feel responsible to deal with his crap.BTW, Zinv is from Parallel Dual, another series by Kajishima which he stated was in continuity with the Tenchi Muyo universe.
Anyone watching the black hole clip can tell I'm right.
In OVA 19, Tsunami and Tokimi destroyed a large part of the galaxy. Z was right there next to the energy release, it didn't harm him. This is obvious to anyone who watches it.
BTW, following phenomenol's argument to its logical conclusion, we end up with:
Z's 2 LHW (after he sacrificed 3 to cancel Tenchi's) > Ryo-Ohki (since he blocked Ryo - Ohki's attack with one hand easily)
Ryo - Ohki > Chobimaru (stated in GXP)
Chobimaru > Tenchi's 6 LHWs (phenomenol's argument)
Which reduces to: Z's 2 LHWs > Tenchi's 6 LHWs. Which is obviously untrue.
It was Tenchi's conscious activation of his powers that sent him to the hyperdimension (the strain of summoning 6 LHWs). He was never hit nor hurt by the Chobimaru's attack, which was completely nullified.
Your just terribly wrong, your dealing with canon I POSTED, not me!
Tenchi NEVER WAS SENT BACK INTO THE NEXUS OF TIME JUST BY HIS "conscious activation of his powers" 🙄. NEVER AT ALL IN THE ENTIRE SERIES! WHEN Z CUT TENCHI WHERE DID HE GO? WHY DID NOIKE (Who was girl Kagato) WANT TENCHI TO BE CUT BY Z's LHW? WHEN TENCHI GETS BLASTED BY THE CHOBIMARU WHERE DID HE GO???? THERE IS A @#$%ING PATTERN HERE SON, can you not see such a simple thing? THIS IS ALL FROM THE CANON ANIME not your explanation of Tenchi "couldn't control his powers," LOL, Tenchi SUMMONED HIS LHW VERY EASILY and he never summoned LHW on his own before. You don't make sense.
Endless Mike is right about Zinv. Phenominal, 5 minutes from one episode doesn't prove anything. They merge universes at the end the episode and mention it repeatedly in episode 14 the OVA.
No actually he is wrong, AGAIN. Zinv merged "two worlds" together and had to sacrifice himself in the process. And he DID NOT USE LHW to do it like Mike suggested. Here...it even talks about him Merging "two worlds" together in the next episode.......... 🙄
*Posts More canon again*
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1265820DYj53kcs?searchId=881519883726894237&rank=0
People, Except the facts and the canon and you will be fine.
Originally posted by Burning thought2. Because there is no real proof, and he is shown to not even build any momentum in the other scan I posted. Matter if fact, if he had to build momentum, after three years of building momentum on his way to earth, he would of been uncapable of even stopping. And dude...SS is so fast he puts Supes to shame. 😬
2. what do you mean he doesnt show he has to build momentum, we see him clearly moving into a suitable speed and momentum build up in the scan you showed, he doesnt instantly disapear into the distance, it shows if he can rly go FTL hes not going to be able to build momentum enough to do it in a battle when characters can go fast enough to stop him. Also Supes can go extremely fast, isnt he sometimes rated faster than even the surfer and as people haev said the surfers cleared many lightyears in seconds.5. i would certainly not ay that makes up for their weakness because no matter how many he can create, their nothing on true heralds and i feel its an insult to call them that to Galactus. Absorb SS? how, all Pyrons scenes of absorbtion are when hes close and opens his chest, and where does it say or imply he can absorb things instantly... as i said, logically he could easily bust a planet with mere lightning, his energy i belive is greater than just lightning but i wouldnt try to prove it, but lightning alone if manipulated in positions and suspeneded for a long amount of time could easily destroy a planet, as i said, Lightning=suns surface heat..thats incredible, if the earth even moved slightly closer to the sun the planet would end up being disintegrated. The only reason lightning doesnt destroy the earth IRL is that its a quick shock strike, if kain kept constant currents coming, a planet like the Earth would be devasted, or if he made it happen in the Atsmopheres upper layers, Gas is flammable. I didnt say he could steal the power cosmic itself, i said Galactus' energy he gets from planets to power himself is energy nonetheless, given time (he would have it for reasons you can prob figuire out) then he would be able to eventually even if it took a long while drain Galactus, hell Galactus loses percentage of power from a lot of things, the guy needs to get a lot of energy to survive. Show me where he absorbs a planet instantly. His FTL movement is not in battle, his FTL is for example incredibly limited in what he can do while doing it compared to say Surfer/supes. No his sword has its own powers, basically bigger versions of some of his powers, mind, energy, Time are bigger scale versions of his own powers, kain without his sword can stop single beings in time, break the minds and mind control single things and rip out souls and call lightning, but with the sword its on a large scale, time manipuation to everything for example instead of one thing. You would tell everyone, a lot of people dont know who he is anyway so their views on him mean nothing but i never mentioned beyonder anything, you did, ime not as fanboyish and you like to belive.
5. Like it are not, they are heralds, and are far more powerful than you give them credit for. Also, it is not like the word "heralds" was made exclusively for Big G. Pyron's absorption clearly takes the form of a beam, and it clearly shows him doing it very quickly, in a matter of seconds, and that is only AFTER the beam connects, once it connects, you're pretty much done. How many currents has Kain been shown to use? And he would need to use it on a pretty sizable portion of the planet to bust it. Not to mention you forget the fact that if Kain destroyed the planet, he would be floating in space. 😛 ALL of Big G's power comes from the Power Cosmic, his power over it wanes however the longer he goes without eating worlds. Pyron has tele over Supes, not sure if SS has it...Also, there is still little proof that he cannot do it in battle, tho I agree doing it would make his arsenal limited, if, at that speed, he rammed either one, even SS would die. Also, Pyron is a superior H2H combatant than even Supes, not sure bout SS. I know Kain has his own powers, but as you said, alot of them are heavily amped by the sword. I don't think anyone(Cept Fire Ninja's cuz) thinks Kain is seriously Pre-Retcon Beyonder level.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2. Because there is no real proof, and he is shown to not even build any momentum in the other scan I posted. Matter if fact, if he had to build momentum, after three years of building momentum on his way to earth, he would of been uncapable of even stopping. And dude...SS is so fast he puts Supes to shame. 😬5. Like it are not, they are heralds, and are far more powerful than you give them credit for. Also, it is not like the word "heralds" was made exclusively for Big G. Pyron's absorption clearly takes the form of a beam, and it clearly shows him doing it very quickly, in a matter of seconds, and that is only AFTER the beam connects, once it connects, you're pretty much done. How many currents has Kain been shown to use? And he would need to use it on a pretty sizable portion of the planet to bust it. Not to mention you forget the fact that if Kain destroyed the planet, he would be floating in space. 😛 ALL of Big G's power comes from the Power Cosmic, his power over it wanes however the longer he goes without eating worlds. Pyron has tele over Supes, not sure if SS has it...Also, there is still little proof that he cannot do it in battle, tho I agree doing it would make his arsenal limited, if, at that speed, he rammed either one, even SS would die. Also, Pyron is a superior H2H combatant than even Supes, not sure bout SS. I know Kain has his own powers, but as you said, alot of them are heavily amped by the sword. I don't think anyone(Cept Fire Ninja's cuz) thinks Kain is seriously Pre-Retcon Beyonder level.
2. hell maybe he builds momentum then hits his wall of speed of several lightyears and can slow himself down, but he certainly takes a move at it from the looks of comic scan 2 i think it is, or 3, what one are you talking about where you dont think he moves up in momentum.
5. What calls them heralds? and very quickly, yes it takes the form of a beam, but how quickly and if theres a charge is unkown, looking at the scans its hell not instant. In almost all of his pictures he needs to get close to do it, in every form, so either its not always in a beam, OR the beam has a small range. Lightnings heat isnt to do with currents, all we know is that the average lightning bolt can reach the surface of the sun heat, kains ones have blasted men into pieces and he can call as many as he needs it seems, all enemies on the screen when you cast it explode, also as i said, the fact the lightning is what it is, will absolutely annhilate a planet of high gas depending where he casts it so he could do it with only one depending on the planet and yes he would float in space, but if he dimension warps back to LOkverse he wouldnt, what he would do is stop time, power all the bolts, then Dimension back, that way he could take out a planet. Anyone who says kain can do anything doesnt know kain....i doubt his Cuz even actually thought that, he just wanted to try and win the debate.
Originally posted by Burning thought2. In the 4th one I think.
2. hell maybe he builds momentum then hits his wall of speed of several lightyears and can slow himself down, but he certainly takes a move at it from the looks of comic scan 2 i think it is, or 3, what one are you talking about where you dont think he moves up in momentum.5. What calls them heralds? and very quickly, yes it takes the form of a beam, but how quickly and if theres a charge is unkown, looking at the scans its hell not instant. In almost all of his pictures he needs to get close to do it, in every form, so either its not always in a beam, OR the beam has a small range. Lightnings heat isnt to do with currents, all we know is that the average lightning bolt can reach the surface of the sun heat, kains ones have blasted men into pieces and he can call as many as he needs it seems, all enemies on the screen when you cast it explode, also as i said, the fact the lightning is what it is, will absolutely annhilate a planet of high gas depending where he casts it so he could do it with only one depending on the planet and yes he would float in space, but if he dimension warps back to LOkverse he wouldnt, what he would do is stop time, power all the bolts, then Dimension back, that way he could take out a planet. Anyone who says kain can do anything doesnt know kain....i doubt his Cuz even actually thought that, he just wanted to try and win the debate.
5. Heralds, basically they do his bidding and are precursors of his coming, kinda. Looking at the scans, all he has to do is spread his arms and puff his chest, yeah that takes a long time to do. 🙄 Also, he probably gets close to the planet so the beam consumes it entirely, instead of just partially, and something as small as SS, Supes, or KOSMOS will be easy to do it. Still, I don't like going by speculation that big, and it would have to be pretty gaseous to automatically make the planet go boom. Also, if he did do it, and he dimension warps, for all he knows he may still be in space, and the explosion would have sent him far lol. FN's cuz tried to convinceme Kain could A. Destroy the world by stabbing it with the Reaver and B. create a universe. Really, I wouldn't put it past him, he lied in his debates just so he could win, which he couldn't.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2. In the 4th one I think.5. Heralds, basically they do his bidding and are precursors of his coming, kinda. Looking at the scans, all he has to do is spread his arms and puff his chest, yeah that takes a long time to do. 🙄 Also, he probably gets close to the planet so the beam consumes it entirely, instead of just partially, and something as small as SS, Supes, or KOSMOS will be easy to do it. Still, I don't like going by speculation that big, and it would have to be pretty gaseous to automatically make the planet go boom. Also, if he did do it, and he dimension warps, for all he knows he may still be in space, and the explosion would have sent him far lol. FN's cuz tried to convinceme Kain could A. Destroy the world by stabbing it with the Reaver and B. create a universe. Really, I wouldn't put it past him, he lied in his debates just so he could win, which he couldn't.
2. hmm well thats an unkown, looking at it agian, it looks like hes teleporting huge areas at a time, but anyway theres no knowing how he started to go at any speed in that, it just shows him arriving.
5. that depends on who hes fighting, spreading his arms and puffing his chest could well cost him, especially if an opponent for example Surfer can move so fast he could be behind pyron before his arms are even spread. its not speculation its logic, high heat+ gas=boom, if the planet doesnt explode the atmosphere will disintegrate taking all life on the planet out, and a gas giant like jupitor or something with great amounts of flammable on it would go boom. WHat do you mean for all he knows, if he dimension warps intending to go back to his own dimension of LOK its not going to be a problem, the only problem is if he goes to another dimension with his powers of an excistence too odd for beings to comprehend. lol destroy the world with a reaver stab 🙄
Originally posted by Burning thought2. Meh. I'll look at it again.
2. hmm well thats an unkown, looking at it agian, it looks like hes teleporting huge areas at a time, but anyway theres no knowing how he started to go at any speed in that, it just shows him arriving.5. that depends on who hes fighting, spreading his arms and puffing his chest could well cost him, especially if an opponent for example Surfer can move so fast he could be behind pyron before his arms are even spread. its not speculation its logic, high heat+ gas=boom, if the planet doesnt explode the atmosphere will disintegrate taking all life on the planet out, and a gas giant like jupitor or something with great amounts of flammable on it would go boom. WHat do you mean for all he knows, if he dimension warps intending to go back to his own dimension of LOK its not going to be a problem, the only problem is if he goes to another dimension with his powers of an excistence too odd for beings to comprehend. lol destroy the world with a reaver stab 🙄
5. True, but he is also physically stronger than SS, and is not dwarfed in speed beyond hope, and probably better at H2H and more brutal and in-your-face while fighting. SS is still probably faster. I agree, but how would he bust Earth? Are you saying the LOKverse is composed of only a planet? And that is one of the most hilarious arguments I have heard, lol.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2. Meh. I'll look at it again.5. True, but he is also physically stronger than SS, and is not dwarfed in speed beyond hope, and probably better at H2H and more brutal and in-your-face while fighting. SS is still probably faster. I agree, but how would he bust Earth? Are you saying the LOKverse is composed of only a planet? And that is one of the most hilarious arguments I have heard, lol.
whats one of the most hilarius arguments, that a planet would burn from the atmosphere being ignited, and the LOKverse is consisted of several dimensions, only we know like, one planet which is Nosgoth, the verse has stars and all sorts of other universe content as any other, but we only see one planet. That one planet has so many dimensions connected with it tho, Spectoral, Demon dimension, etc etc.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtNo, the Reaver stabbing the planet thing lol.
whats one of the most hilarius arguments, that a planet would burn from the atmosphere being ignited, and the LOKverse is consisted of several dimensions, only we know like, one planet which is Nosgoth, the verse has stars and all sorts of other universe content as any other, but we only see one planet. That one planet has so many dimensions connected with it tho, Spectoral, Demon dimension, etc etc.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestOh the irony of that statement.
Let Gears make the case for mid meta. 😛 He's Hayabusa's fanboy. 2 for low meta.2 for mid tier meta for Master Chief.
Kosmos: ?????? Haven't played Xenosaga.
Gouki: Still say Herald level. He's being underrated if you put him lower.
Samus for high meta.