Originally posted by Kutulu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
Dub error.
Originally posted by Kutulu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
Dub error.
I will repeat one last time for people who think that if it's DC it's greater than anything else in any comic (otherwise known as fanboys, who on one hand accept a narrative from a DC author, but who refuse to accept the narrative of a non-DC author):
#1) The writer of the comic stated they move faster than light. The narrator, the writer, for the purpose of the story, god himself. As mentioned by the mods to other people, if the narrator says they moved faster than light, then they moved faster than light.
#2) The anime shown in america depicting a scene from the manga (canon), because this is an English speaking forum, not Japanese, and it's from a non-filler portion of the anime. If you want to go to a Japanese forum to argue this in Japanese with other Japanese speaking people, then by all means, leave the board and do so. You will still be told you are wrong though no matter what language you speak.
For anybody that has doubt, please watch this video and tell me what Piccolo states after Raditz dodges his Special Beam Cannon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
Cliff notes:
* DC states that Superman has heat vision. I believe them, because they *gasp* wrote the story and made the character.
* Toriyama states Goku can move faster than light. I believe him, because he *gasp* wrote the story and made the character.
If you refuse to understand or believe what the author of the story states, and on top of that refuse what is shown to you on panel in both the manga, the anime, and stated by the author, then there really is no hope for you; you are pointless debating with.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it. For all we know its just your word that That's what he said. Until you prove it this is merely hearsay.after all I can say that the creators of Superman, and the present owners of the copyrights to the character have stated that Superman can move at 8*10^10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times the speed of light.
Of course me just syaying they said that is meaningless. Just as you simply saying he said that is meaningless.
Prove it? Ok, do you speak English?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
By the way if you do some digging around, it's been proven on various websites literally thousands of times, and when it comes down to it, DC fanboys are DC fanboys. I know no matter what I say or do you will repeat the same retarded crap despite the fact that your statements have been disproven literally thousands of times on different message boards, but that's what makes a DC fanboy a DC fanboy. No matter what, when it involves a battle between their DC trophy and anybody else, DC wins to them.
#1) The writer of the comic stated they move faster than light. The narrator, the writer, for the purpose of the story, god himself. As mentioned by the mods to other people, if the narrator says they moved faster than light, then they moved faster than light.
You've shown no evidence of this interview. The interview I saw said lightspeed. We have interviews from Joe Casey saying Superman can beat anyone, do we take them seriously?
For anybody that has doubt, please watch this video and tell me what Piccolo states after Raditz dodges his Special Beam Cannon.
Yet you showed a scan from the canon manga where piccolo says something completly different. If they could move that fast why did it take Goku so long to travel Snakeway? Its length is giving in the manga. Anyone remember it?
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You've shown no evidence of this interview. The interview I saw said lightspeed. We have interviews from Joe Casey saying Superman can beat anyone, do we take them seriously?Yet you showed a scan from the canon manga where piccolo says something completly different. If they could move that fast why did it take Goku so long to travel Snakeway? Its length is giving in the manga. Anyone remember it?
Do you speak English? What does Piccolo say in this clip after Raditz dodges his attack?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
duryes
Originally posted by Kutulu...
I will repeat one last time for people who think that if it's DC it's greater than anything else in any comic (otherwise known as fanboys, who on one hand accept a narrative from a DC author, but who refuse to accept the narrative of a non-DC author):
Originally posted by KutuluProve it.
#1) The writer of the comic stated they move faster than light.
Originally posted by KutuluSeeing as how no narrator(Akira toriyama) said that they do in the manga itself when he originally wrote it... This has little to no meaning.
The narrator, the writer, for the purpose of the story, god himself. As mentioned by the mods to other people, if the narrator says they moved faster than light, then they moved faster than light.
Originally posted by KutuluThe anime is not canon to the manga, the anime is only canon to the anime.
#2) The anime shown in america depicting a scene from the manga (canon),
Originally posted by KutuluThat's borderline racist...
because this is an English speaking forum, not Japanese,
Originally posted by KutuluSeeing as how this is a comics forum...[/your logic]
and it's from a non-filler portion of the anime.
Originally posted by Kutulu...then leave the forum and go to an anime forum to argue. [/your logic]
If you want to go to a Japanese forum to argue this in Japanese with other Japanese speaking people, then by all means, leave the board and do so.
Originally posted by KutuluFanboys exist in other langauges.. Yeah we got that...
You will still be told you are wrong though no matter what language you speak.
Originally posted by KutuluSo if I were to take a comic, remove the dialouge and insert my own that would become canon to the comic?
For anybody that has doubt, please watch this video and tell me what Piccolo states after Raditz dodges his Special Beam Cannon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
Originally posted by KutuluNot only that but they actulaly show it.
Cliff notes:
* DC states that Superman has heat vision. I believe them, because they *gasp* wrote the story and made the character.
Originally posted by KutuluOh nice double standard.... Akira toriyama is a Japanese speaker, who wrote the original japanese manga. He did not write the dialouge for the English dubbed Anime.
* Toriyama states Goku can move faster than light. I believe him, because he *gasp* wrote the story and made the character.
So we're supposed to take his word for it(which is still your word since you haven't shown that it was Toriyama-sensei saying it rather than just you saying he said it) when it suits youre interest of using that as evidence, but when we point out how the original japanese did not say that they were moving faster than light you choose to say that this is an english forum so the japanese version doesn't count.
So what's it going to be the original japanese manga that Akira wrote. (Manga never says that he moved faster than light)
Or the Anime dub (Not written by Akira toriyama)
It can't be both because they don't say the same thing and are not canon to each other.
Tell me about goku's IT technique, particularly where he says that the technique only goes as fast as light and there's nothing faster...
Originally posted by KutuluActually it is pointless to deabte with you, you keep using the different cnanon's interchangably when none of them concretely prove that they are faster than light, mixing and matching to fill in the gaps. but ignoreing where they contradict weach other. On top of that you contradict yourself, telling us that if we want to debate the original to go elsewhere, but insist on using what you'd need to go elsewhere for here.
If you refuse to understand or believe what the author of the story states, and on top of that refuse what is shown to you on panel in both the manga, the anime, and stated by the author, then there really is no hope for you; you are pointless debating with.
Originally posted by Creshosk
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Actually it is pointless to deabte with you, you keep using the different cnanon's interchangably when none of them concretely prove that they are faster than light, mixing and matching to fill in the gaps. but ignoreing where they contradict weach other. On top of that you contradict yourself, telling us that if we want to debate the original to go elsewhere, but insist on using what you'd need to go elsewhere for here.
This sentence is so mixed up, I read it about 5 times and gave up trying to understand it. Wipe the froth from your mouth, DC Fanboy, and go get your rabies shots; all that froth is going to get on your keyboard.
pitt_stfu
Originally posted by KutuluShall we get into the whole concept of what a character says can differ from the truth?
Prove it? Ok, do you speak English?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ
I'm pretty sure I can find a list of statements by characters that have all been proven to be wrong.
Originally posted by KutuluAnd dbz fanboys like you are dbz fanboys. It's not my job to prove your case for you. Present your own evidence of your claims. Post the original interveiw that is not a mistranstlation and has not been misconstrued by people as they often do when the internet is involved.
By the way if you do some digging around, it's been proven on various websites literally thousands of times, and when it comes down to it, DC fanboys are DC fanboys.
Hell, there's websites devoted to debunking information that is widespread on various sites. Because if you get the wrong information and post it on your site, and then someone gets their information from your site and posts it on theirs... and it continues, then despite there being hundreds of webisites out there all with the same informaiton.. all that information is wrong.
So please provide the original interveiw or a verifiable way to prove that it was translated properly.
Originally posted by KutuluYou wanna be reported for trolling? I'm sure the mods would love to know of the existence of this thread so they can close it. Trolling is a good way to do it. in fact I'm half tempted to report you for bashing people for not swallowing your bullshit as is.
I know no matter what I say or do you will repeat the same retarded crap despite the fact that your statements have been disproven literally thousands of times on different message boards,
Originally posted by KutuluAnd you're no better with your fandom. You use evidecnce selectivyly ignoreing the information which contradicts your claims. That is a rather fanboyish thing to do...
but that's what makes a DC fanboy a DC fanboy. No matter what, when it involves a battle between their DC trophy and anybody else, DC wins to them.
Originally posted by KutuluSo I guess you don't speak english or are not intelligent enough to comprehend my post.
This sentence is so mixed up, I read it about 5 times and gave up trying to understand it. Wipe the froth from your mouth, DC Fanboy, and go get your rabies shots; all that froth is going to get on your keyboard.
pitt_stfu
I'll repeat myself:
Actually it is pointless to deabte with you.
You keep using the different canon's interchangably.
None of them concretely prove that they are faster than light.
You use them by mixing and matching to fill in the gaps where they conrtradict each other..
You ignore where they contradict each other.
On top of that you contradict yourself.
You tell us that if we want to debate the original to go elsewhere.
but you insist on using what you'd need to go elsewhere for here.
Originally posted by starkingMods simply haven't found it yet.
I'm surprised this shit hasn't been closed yet. I mean we can't even use non comic characters anymore.
When they do it'll be closed, and they will because I reported Kutulu for bashing people and trolling. As it's evident with his last post that he cannot debate reationally and has to resort to insults.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And dbz fanboys like you are dbz fanboys. It's not my job to prove your case for you. Present your own evidence of your claims. Post the original interveiw that is not a mistranstlation and has not been misconstrued by people as they often do when the internet is involved.
The difference between you and me is that when I read a comic where Superman defeats Darkseid, I don't go cry in my milk because Darkseid was my favorite character. When Superman travels faster than light to escape a black hole, I accept that since the narrative states that Superman travelled faster than light, he did.
When I watch DBZ, and it states that Raditz travelled faster than light, I accept that he travelled faster than light. I don't think to myself "oh no, that would put him at a speed advantage to Superman, so I must deny what the character is blatantly stating and instead make up a story in my head about what really happened".
When I read a Marvel comic that shows Hulk defeating Gladiator, I say "hey with enough rage, Hulk really can beat Gladiator". When the narrator in a Marvel comic shows that Hercules was strong enough to tow long island and shows a picture of it, I say "Hercules is strong enough to tow Long Island".
Now let's go over what happens in the head of a DC Fanboy under these same incidents:
Superman travels FTL to escape the black hole. "See - Superman can easily fight, fly, think, take a dump, and pick his nose at faster than light, so he will kill your character before they even see him because he moves faster than light!"
Raditz dodges Piccolo's attack, Piccolo states that he was moving faster than light. "OH NOES! Now I gotta go online and look up ways to debunk this! Even though I don't speak Japanese, someone on a message board somewhere on the internet said that DBZ characters cannot move FTL, plus I could see the blast with my own eyes, therefore it must have not been faster than light, and the characters were simply lying! Yeah that's it, they were lying!"
Hulk beats Gladiator: "NO WAY! THAT'S PIS! Gladiator is strong enough to move planets, the WRITERS WERE OBVIOUSLY IDIOTS!", then proceed to go online and look up the weakest feats of the hulk possible (nevermind his rage level at the time), then proceed to go to a message board and say "HULK SUX, HE'S NOTHING BUT A DUMB GREEN DUMMY! He even GOT PUNCHED OUT BY CAPTAIN AMERICA! SEE!"
It's people like you that give DC fanboys a bad rep.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So I guess you don't speak english or are not intelligent enough to comprehend my post.I'll repeat myself:
Actually it is pointless to deabte with you.
You keep using the different canon's interchangably.
None of them concretely prove that they are faster than light.
You use them by mixing and matching to fill in the gaps where they conrtradict each other..
You ignore where they contradict each other.
On top of that you contradict yourself.
You tell us that if we want to debate the original to go elsewhere.
but you insist on using what you'd need to go elsewhere for here.
headshotkmc
Originally posted by Kutuluand it didn't. that's the problem you're not understanding. It did not state that he did.
The difference between you and me is that when I read a comic where Superman defeats Darkseid, I don't go cry in my milk because Darkseid was my favorite character. When Superman travels faster than light to escape a black hole, I accept that since the narrative states that Superman travelled faster than light, he did.When I watch DBZ, and it states that Raditz travelled faster than light, I accept that he travelled faster than light.
Originally posted by KutuluA character simply stating that they can do something does not prove that they can, can you prove that the makankosappo was superliminal?
I don't think to myself "oh no, that would put him at a speed advantage to Superman, so I must deny what the character is blatantly stating and instead make up a story in my head about what really happened". [/quote neither do I. I'm just not gullible enough to buy the bullshit spewed by someone who probably wouldn't know.DBZ is full of trash talk.
[QUOTE=9411613]Originally posted by Kutulu
When I read a Marvel comic that shows Hulk defeating Gladiator, I say "hey with enough rage, Hulk really can beat Gladiator". When the narrator in a Marvel comic shows that Hercules was strong enough to tow long island and shows a picture of it, I say "Hercules is strong enough to tow Long Island".Now let's go over what happens in the head of a DC Fanboy under these same incidents:
Superman travels FTL to escape the black hole. "See - Superman can easily fight, fly, think, take a dump, and pick his nose at faster than light, so he will kill your character before they even see him because he moves faster than light!"Raditz dodges Piccolo's attack, Piccolo states that he was moving faster than light.
ITs no different than a character saying they're going to kick another characters ass and then fail to do so.
"I can attack you with a light speed attack!"
"I've gathered enough energy to destroy a solar system."
"When I reach my perfect form I'm unbeatable."
BUUUUUUULL shit.
Originally posted by Kutulu私は日本語を話す
"OH NOES! Now I gotta go online and look up ways to debunk this! Even though I don't speak Japanese,
Originally posted by KutuluThe difference is the DBZ characters Say it, the other comic characters DO it.
someone on a message board somewhere on the internet said that DBZ characters cannot move FTL, plus I could see the blast with my own eyes, therefore it must have not been faster than light, and the characters were simply lying! Yeah that's it, they were lying!"
Want me to cite you the forum rule where you require evidence to back your claims?
Originally posted by KutuluAnd its people like you that give DBZ a bad rep and get it banned from the versus forums. seriously, look around the threads you'll note that DBZ is not liked around here due to people who can't not resort to insults to prove their point.
Hulk beats Gladiator: "NO WAY! THAT'S PIS! Gladiator is strong enough to move planets, the WRITERS WERE OBVIOUSLY IDIOTS!", then proceed to go online and look up the weakest feats of the hulk possible (nevermind his rage level at the time), then proceed to go to a message board and say "HULK SUX, HE'S NOTHING BUT A DUMB GREEN DUMMY! He even GOT PUNCHED OUT BY CAPTAIN AMERICA! SEE!"It's people like you that give DC fanboys a bad rep.
Originally posted by KutuluOh no, I have to totally change my way of thinking because someone posted a picture of themself on the internet...
Jump to conclusions much?
DBZ totally wins because you told me to shut up.
Oh wait, that was just gas.
I take it you are completely out of arguments and have absolutely zero evidence to back up any of your claims since were going so far off topic, yes?