Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by Rorschach
Did you ever maybe think that she was fast too? Or should I say that Goku is slow because Cell disappeared from his sight during their fight and that was when the video cameras couldn’t see Cell, until then they could see Cell and Goku fighting though everything appeared as blurs. And Superman has seen objects that move at faster than light like when he saw that ship during Heavens Ladder. Goku and Cell were disappearing and appearing during their fight. Superman destroyed fought a Chinese Army, the whole time he was invisible.

And Goku and Cell weren’t fighting at light-speeds. If they were, time wouldn’t be passing normally for them and the people watching the match. Everyone else would appear frozen because of the high-speeds that they were fighting at, the whole fight shouldn’t even have lasted more than a few seconds.

Sorry to say this but very, very bad post.

1st thing: I guess that frieza and goku was fight faster than light since the planet namek was about to blow up in 2 minutes but the 2 minutes made an entire 10 episode show.

2nd: I guess youre trying to confirm that wonder woman is faster than superman since he was unable to detect her and you simple said "Did you ever think that she was fast" because cell and goku was fast and when cell winked out and tried to catch goku by suprise goku winked out following right behind him.

3rd: where in the world are you getting that the people of earth actually was looking at the fight. Yes, it was cameras there, yes, it was a audience there (besides the z fighters) but from my knowledge and what i seen on the show, the only time they actually seen the fight was when goku and cell stopped moving. They heard loud explosions but that was about it. Every fight that superman has ever been in with any hero or villian has ALWAYS been caught by human eyes, from the beginning to the end of the fight. From the beginning of the punch, until the last punch was thrown. NEver happened in dbz, even in the regular drabonball series humans was unable to detect a dragonball characters movements but superman greatest fight (doomsday vs superman), the human eye caught every punch.

4th: superman seeing something moving at light speed; a one time thing and basically depended upon something new that the writer wanted to add for superman.

The sad thing of all of this is that you all cant provide any kind of proof that superman is able to keep up with cell or even krillin. You havent showed me any combat speed with him fighting a speedster. You havent showed me superman disappearing in milliseconds doing mutiple punches while doing so. You cant show me these things because supermans entire character and powers are based upon him fighting bricks. 97% of his enemies are nothing but bricks. Superman has no combat speed, has never used combat speed except flying to his enemies punching them and will never fight like a dbz character.

I have seen son goku from regular dragonball do more speed fighting then superman since his entire career. Superman needs to stick to fighting people in hulks caliber because dealing with a dbz character is a new page for superman that would never get turned. Cell would simply laugh at superman effort and ruthless span out in every second crushing the man of steel.

Cell 10/10 and to me VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY easily.

Originally posted by Kento
She doesn't disappear from in front of him. He's looking away picking up a large rock when she disappears. Also the fact that he doesn't hear her heartbeat means something is wrong about that fight.

The fact of the matter is she disappeared. It didnt have to be in front, behind, or beside his eyes. The point is she was gone and superman was helpless. Now if it was a dbz character, would have winked out with there opponents keeping the battle going.

Originally posted by carver9
Sorry to say this but very, very bad post.

That means a lot coming from a dumbass like you.

Originally posted by carver9
1st thing: I guess that frieza and goku was fight faster than light since the planet namek was about to blow up in 2 minutes but the 2 minutes made an entire 10 episode show.

It was 5 minutes, and time was passing normally for the rest of the cast. The people on Earth resurrected Dende and the other Namek, Vegeta talked to Goku after he was resurrected, and then Dende teleported everyone except for Goku and Freeza to Earth. They weren’t fighting at light-speeds and the fight lasted more than 5 minutes, you’re talking Freeza’s words too seriously.

Originally posted by carver9
2nd: I guess youre trying to confirm that wonder woman is faster than superman since he was unable to detect her and you simple said "Did you ever think that she was fast" because cell and goku was fast and when cell winked out and tried to catch goku by suprise goku winked out following right behind him.

Perhaps she moved faster than he did for a short time. She’s not faster than him, but she can keep up. I was referring to Cell increasing his speed and disappearing from everyone’s sight, then the Announcer telling everyone that Cell couldn’t be recorded anymore because he had disappeared. That’s when Cell appeared behind Goku and the fight continued.

Originally posted by carver9
3rd: where in the world are you getting that the people of earth actually was looking at the fight. Yes, it was cameras there, yes, it was a audience there (besides the z fighters) but from my knowledge and what i seen on the show, the only time they actually seen the fight was when goku and cell stopped moving. They heard loud explosions but that was about it. Every fight that superman has ever been in with any hero or villian has ALWAYS been caught by human eyes, from the beginning to the end of the fight. From the beginning of the punch, until the last punch was thrown. NEver happened in dbz, even in the regular drabonball series humans was unable to detect a dragonball characters movements but superman greatest fight (doomsday vs superman), the human eye caught every punch.

People saw Goku and Cell fighting from time to time. In the manga people could even see Ki attacks on the TV. The Announcer said that Cell had disappeared and he could no longer be recorded, up until that point they were recording the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
4th: superman seeing something moving at light speed; a one time thing and basically depended upon something new that the writer wanted to add for superman.

He’s seen things move at light-speed other times, like a Sun Eater which moves at FTL speeds. Both he and Wonder Woman could see each other while he was taking her to the Sun FTL.

Originally posted by carver9
The sad thing of all of this is that you all cant provide any kind of proof that superman is able to keep up with cell or even krillin.

You haven’t even proven to me that the fight between Cell and Goku was light-speed. Your whole argument is based on “they’re disappearing and reappearing!”. While Superman has fought a Chinese Army while invisible the whole time, and he obviously wasn’t moving at light speeds

Originally posted by carver9
You havent showed me any combat speed with him fighting a speedster.

And you’re simply making an assumption about Dragonball combat speed. I guess children are easily impressed by flashy animation.

Originally posted by carver9
You havent showed me superman disappearing in milliseconds doing mutiple punches while doing so.

Milliseconds? When the hell was the word milliseconds ever used in Dragonball?

Originally posted by carver9
The fact of the matter is she disappeared. It didnt have to be in front, behind, or beside his eyes. The point is she was gone and superman was helpless. Now if it was a dbz character, would have winked out with there opponents keeping the battle going.

Yeah, like when Goku winked out while trying to find Cell. Oh wait…

Originally posted by carver9
The fact of the matter is she disappeared. It didnt have to be in front, behind, or beside his eyes. The point is she was gone and superman was helpless. Now if it was a dbz character, would have winked out with there opponents keeping the battle going.

She disappeared when he wasn't looking at her...She can move almost as fast as he can, he wasn't paying attention to her because he just froze her, and then when he looks back she is gone. That's not that big of a deal. If it had been when he was looking at her then couldn't find her sure it would be something but it's not. Though that he didn't hear her heartbeat to locate her easily is odd.

Given Superman's enhanced senses it can only be explained as PIS whenever someone catches him off guard IMO.

I mean...X-ray, Telescopic, Microscopic, Soul visions Super hearing...how the heck can you ambush someone with that many senses?

Originally posted by carver9
Well since we cant use that in the battle why dont you tell people to stop using scans from that comic when superman fly wonder woman from the sun to the speed at great speed. People have used that comic for a lot of things but when it is used against superman, its suddenly something that is bad.

Again, lame excuses.

If wolverine were to be mind controlled and forced to fight a person, he would not be fighting as he normally does. This does not change the fact that its still his body. If he were to be blown up and regenerate that is still a feat of his body, his powers. However as its not him in the drivers seat it would not be viable evidence to his fighting skills.

Same story with superman. It's not him in charge of his body so the mental aspect is not there. Things such as preception checks are not under his control, however its still his body that would be doing the flying and attacking.

The only one who's being lame around here is you for overlooking this.

Now what lame excuse are you going to give me to show you didn't understand a word I just said?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Given Superman's enhanced senses it can only be explained as PIS whenever someone catches him off guard IMO.

I mean...X-ray, Telescopic, Microscopic, Soul visions Super hearing...how the heck can you ambush someone with that many senses?

I have no idea.
To me that's kinda like how can Thanos knock the Silver Surfer in 4 punches when Surfer can move FTL, has matter transmutation, etc, etc.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you ever once stop to consider that there is a difference between a person's mind and their body?

If wolverine were to be mind controlled and forced to fight a person, he would not be fighting as he normally does. This does not change the fact that its still his body. If he were to be blown up and regenerate that is still a feat of his body, his powers. However as its not him in the drivers seat it would not be viable evidence to his fighting skills.

Same story with superman. It's not him in charge of his body so the mental aspect is not there. Things such as preception checks are not under his control, however its still his body that would be doing the flying and attacking.

The only one who's being lame around here is you for overlooking this.

Now what lame excuse are you going to give me to show you didn't understand a word I just said?

By the way no one took over superman body. Max lord had superman thinking that he was fighting doomsday but it was wonderwoman instead. When he was in the jla tower, he was thinking to himself on how to break out of green lantern forcefield. He knew his weakness and everything. That was superman but max lord just put images in his head that made an even more powerful superman that was filled with rage and not holding back (but still got owned by wonderwoman).

There has been many of occasions where a dbz character winked out while the combatant dont know where they are at and they still wink out with them keeping up the battle. Look at more dbz before posting against them. I just want you all to put up a scan where superman is fighting another speedster and they are winking out continously in battle.

I bet you cant find one because superman dont know how to do that and dbz characters are faster than him. 😄

Isn't this against the rules? Anyone with half a brain knows Superman wins.

Sigh DBZ fans amuse me so much. Its like watching a child debate.

Originally posted by carver9
There has been many of occasions where a dbz character winked out while the combatant dont know where they are

Superman wis this due to his higher speed. Arguing that his speed is not combat speed is just a sham distinction argument. Especially after I showed you that Superman vibrated through doomsday's attacks, and vibrated invisible. It doesn't mater if its a brick. Goku is a glass canon. Sure he's got great energy feats but he's still rather lacking in the physicality department. He's slower because he doesn't have the speed feats that superman has.

Winking out in combat is simply moving fasrer than the eye can see, Bruce lee was able to do that so its still well within the range of what a regular human can do.

Please provide me with evidence that Goku has high strength that surpasses Superman's black hole stunts, and his moivng planets.

Please provide me with speed feats which shows he would have been able to hit superman that compares with the speed feats you can find in the superman respect thread.

No sham distinction of saying "Combat speed" vs "other speed."

Cell is a Solar System Buster!!! Superman has no chance against him.

One Planet destroying blast and supes DIES.

I would like to address a common misconception about DBZ characters.

faster than light speed.

It was stated by Akira Toriyama (the guy that created the whole thing) that they were fighting and operating at faster than light speed. Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon attack moved at the speed of light, Piccolo trained so it would be too fast for Goku to move out of the way, and Radditz dodged it after it was fired, meaning that he was moving FTL speed, NOT DODGING THE ATTACK DIRECTION. Note that is a very important distinction; so let me reiterate: Raditz dodged the attack AFTER it was fired.

Later, Goku surpassed Radditz in terms of speed, therefore he was also FTL. The speeds of the Z-crew only went UP from that point.

It was also stated several times that the Saiyajins do not have ordinary human senses, which is what allows them to perceive faster than light attacks and use reflexes which are faster than light.

Plus - once again - the creator of the Dragonball series SAID SO. As far as those characters go, FTL fighting speeds are a solid, 100%, canon and in-continuity FACT. Anybody who continues to argue that they do not fight and react at faster than light speed clearly does not know what they are talking about, as they are arguing against the guy who wrote the entire Dragonball series. No matter what you say, it is canon, like it or not. It was stated by the guy who wrote it, and you are wrong if you state otherwise. I am going to believe the narrative and the writer before I believe anybody else, as the writer writes the story and it becomes canon. There is no getting around this. End of story.

If you want to show feats of Superman going faster than light, that is fine by me, as I have seen the scans and I accept the fact that Superman is also FTL. DO NOT ARGUE that DBZ characters are not Faster Than Light, because doing so is basically arguing against the guy who wrote the story.

Toriyama's word were by the end of the series they were moving at light speed. Besides that interviews from writers count for nothing here only feats.

Also even if Piccolo's beam was lightspeed Raditz didn't have to be faster than light to dodge it. He just had move a few inches in the time it takes the beam to travel towards him. He could of dodged it at a fraction of the speed of light. I'll say this simply Raditz had to move a much smaller distance than the beam had to travel. Thus no FTL.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Toriyama's word were by the end of the series they were moving at light speed. Besides that interviews from writers count for nothing here only feats.

Also even if Piccolo's beam was lightspeed Raditz didn't have to be faster than light to dodge it. He just had move a few inches in the time it takes the beam to travel towards him. He could of dodged it at a fraction of the speed of light. I'll say this simply Raditz had to move a much smaller distance than the beam had to travel. Thus no FTL.

Look how close it got to Raditz before he sidestepped an attack moving at the speed of light. At that stage, before becoming Super Saiyajin, they were able to dodge an attack moving at lightspeed.

That still looks about 10 feat away. Raditz moved about a foot to do it. So 1/10th the speed of light. Though the distance is hard to determine at that angle. Also where's the evidence the blast is light speed?

There's no way that attack was light speed.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Big whoop, Wolverine and spiderman do that.

Superman wis this due to his higher speed. Arguing that his speed is not combat speed is just a sham distinction argument. Especially after I showed you that Superman vibrated through doomsday's attacks, and vibrated invisible. It doesn't mater if its a brick. Goku is a glass canon. Sure he's got great energy feats but he's still rather lacking in the physicality department. He's slower because he doesn't have the speed feats that superman has.

Winking out in combat is simply moving fasrer than the eye can see, Bruce lee was able to do that so its still well within the range of what a regular human can do.

Please provide me with evidence that Goku has high strength that surpasses Superman's black hole stunts, and his moivng planets.

Please provide me with speed feats which shows he would have been able to hit superman that compares with the speed feats you can find in the superman respect thread.

No sham distinction of saying "Combat speed" vs "other speed."

I have fell in love with you all over again.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
That still looks about 10 feat away. Raditz moved about a foot to do it. So 1/10th the speed of light. Though the distance is hard to determine at that angle. Also where's the evidence the blast is light speed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crf2_prhEQ

Originally posted by Kutulu
I would like to address a common misconception about DBZ characters.

faster than light speed.

It was stated by [b]Akira Toriyama (the guy that created the whole thing) that they were fighting and operating at faster than light speed. Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon attack moved at the speed of light, Piccolo trained so it would be too fast for Goku to move out of the way, and Radditz dodged it after it was fired, meaning that he was moving FTL speed, NOT DODGING THE ATTACK DIRECTION. Note that is a very important distinction; so let me reiterate: Raditz dodged the attack AFTER it was fired.

Later, Goku surpassed Radditz in terms of speed, therefore he was also FTL. The speeds of the Z-crew only went UP from that point.

It was also stated several times that the Saiyajins do not have ordinary human senses, which is what allows them to perceive faster than light attacks and use reflexes which are faster than light.

Plus - once again - the creator of the Dragonball series SAID SO. As far as those characters go, FTL fighting speeds are a solid, 100%, canon and in-continuity FACT. Anybody who continues to argue that they do not fight and react at faster than light speed clearly does not know what they are talking about, as they are arguing against the guy who wrote the entire Dragonball series. No matter what you say, it is canon, like it or not. It was stated by the guy who wrote it, and you are wrong if you state otherwise. I am going to believe the narrative and the writer before I believe anybody else, as the writer writes the story and it becomes canon. There is no getting around this. End of story.

If you want to show feats of Superman going faster than light, that is fine by me, as I have seen the scans and I accept the fact that Superman is also FTL. DO NOT ARGUE that DBZ characters are not Faster Than Light, because doing so is basically arguing against the guy who wrote the story. [/B]

after all I can say that the creators of Superman, and the present owners of the copyrights to the character have stated that Superman can move at 8*10^10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times the speed of light.

Of course me just syaying they said that is meaningless. Just as you simply saying he said that is meaningless.