Christian organizations are nothing but bullies

Its so much easier to manipultate and intimidate the masses when you motives are so apparently practical not spiritual. two sides of the same face. its about power and money and controlling the acess of free thought ,free will once called liberties.
they don't exist in america or anywhere else for that matter. the concept of organized religion has ALWAYS been about earthly power and domination.... IF THERE WERE A GOD
OF ANY CONCEQUENSE WHO SUCH A BEING ALLOW THE ABUSE OF HIS CREATIONS
ask the millions killed in the name of GOD !
THEY SCREAMED TO IN THEIR DYING BREATHS
WHERE WAS THIS MERCIFUL GOD?

Originally posted by warlock412
Its so much easier to manipultate and intimidate the masses when you motives are so apparently practical not spiritual. two sides of the same face. its about power and money and controlling the acess of free thought ,free will once called liberties.
they don't exist in america or anywhere else for that matter. the concept of organized religion has ALWAYS been about earthly power and domination.... IF THERE WERE A GOD
OF ANY CONCEQUENSE WHO SUCH A BEING ALLOW THE ABUSE OF HIS CREATIONS
ask the millions killed in the name of GOD !
THEY SCREAMED TO IN THEIR DYING BREATHS
WHERE WAS THIS MERCIFUL GOD?

Statement: God was where He has always been--on high, grieved by the actions of His creations, and giving the murderers and torturers chance to repent, a chance to turn from their evil and to good.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Rhetorical Query: Where was this merciful God as six million Jews, His chosen, were slaughtered in the Holocaust? Where was this vengeful God as six million Jews, His chosen, cried out for respite in the death camps? Where was this merciful God as six million Jews, His chosen, were starved and worked to death in the name of human evolution?

Statement: God was where He has always been--on high, grieved by the actions of His creations, and giving the murderers and torturers chance to repent, a chance to turn from their evil and to good.

God has done nothing (because he does not exist)

No amount of telling Jesus you are sorry, will ever make you clean of mass murder and torture of innocent people. That is a pure cop out.

I cannot admire a God who allows a mass murder and torturer into Heaven, simply because he decided to ask a dead man named Jesus for salvation.

While a decent person ends up in Hell for not beleiving in an illogical myth.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
God has done nothing (because he does not exist)

No amount of telling Jesus you are sorry, will ever make you clean of mass murder and torture of innocent people. That is a pure cop out.

I cannot admire a God who allows a mass murder and torturer into Heaven, simply because he decided to ask a dead man named Jesus for salvation.

While a decent person ends up in Hell for not beleiving in an illogical myth.

Assertation: FeceMan has explained this to Urizen on other occasions.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Many sites like www.afa.net and it's affiliates do nothing but complain about the content of TV shows and petition companies to pull funding from such programs as "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia", "The Shield", and "Saving Grace" by threatening them with boycotts. They also are actively boycotting Ford for funding gay parades (I don't agree with gay parades, but boycotting them outright is a little extreme). They also threatened to boycott Wal Mart for carrying Brokeback Mountain. They speak of nothing but outrage and spend every ounce of energy trying to install a V-chip in the United States.

Discuss.

I dare say we should boycott these groups for their foolish stances.

Rhetorical Query: Where was this merciful God as six million Jews, His chosen, were slaughtered in the Holocaust? Where was this vengeful God as six million Jews, His chosen, cried out for respite in the death camps? Where was this merciful God as six million Jews, His chosen, were starved and worked to death in the name of human evolution?

Statement: God was where He has always been--on high, grieved by the actions of His creations, and giving the murderers and torturers chance to repent, a chance to turn from their evil and to good.

Well, we hope anyway, since any divine justice handling and all that happened after the Nazi's responsible were dead and well beyond our ability to be certain they received any sort of punishment. Well beyond faith that God exists and does what people say he does and whatever.

Which isn't quite as comforting. And I know you don't really mean it that way, but it kind of comes off like the people who'd say "Don't worry Jimmy, yes the truck lost control due to an apparently unpredictable mechanical fault and crushed the car killing your entire family and leaving you crippled for life, but God is merciful and just. Doesn't that make you feel better?"

Statement: Clearly, all Christian organizations are little more than bullies.

Query: What would Bardiel13 say about an organization that repeatedly took others to court on the basis that the others offended the organization--would this be bullying?

Are you hinting at a certain organisation that has made its life's work to attack inequality and religious imposition wherever it finds it, which includes separation of Church and State, separation of education and religion and the idea of religious organisations projecting their values and marketing into places they shouldn't?

Because if you are I'm not sure how good an example that is.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Query: Why is Urizen angry at God's generosity and His justice?

Answer: I am not angry at God. God doesn't exist. I am angry that this myth has been taken so seriously by gullible people.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Assertation: FeceMan has explained this to Urizen on other occasions.

Response: Feceman has never logically explained this. He simply gave his intepretation and his justification for a logical paradox.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
(I don't agree with gay parades, but boycotting them outright is a little extreme).

Oh I see, being openly homophobic is bad, but being secretly homophobic is perfectly fine.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh I see, being openly homophobic is bad, but being secretly homophobic is perfectly fine.

Actually, the reason I don't agree with gay parades is because I am not homophobic. The concept is fine, however most of them are nothing but a display of every reason why homophobes hate gays. It's supposed to preach tolerance and show that gays are people too, but it makes them look like people who are out for attention and want nothing more than to shock people. In order for gays to be given the right to marriage, they have to be taken seriously. How do you take a man that dresses up as a Vegas showgirl seriously?

I was all at a Catholic gathering yesterday because some (fringe) friends of mine were speaking and the one keeps inviting me to stuff and I feel like a douche for putting her off. They don't really know I'm not Catholic yet, but I don't see them outside of large groups and there's never really a good time. Anyway, it was all like:

"So. Let's share our own experiences now that we've heard our speakers. What do you value most about your Catholicism? Mark, you want to start us off?"

Me: "Yeah. Um....pass?"

Gotta stop feeling awkward about it. But it can be hard when you were a freaking figurehead of the young adult church community for years.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh I see, being openly homophobic is bad, but being secretly homophobic is perfectly fine.

😆

"Just because I vote against Gay Marriage doesn't mean I dislike Gays or want them to be unhappy. I just don't think they should have the same rights that I do"

OR even better, Sithsaber's idiotic post:

"I am not Anti-Gay, I am just Pro-Straight."

😆

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
😆

"Just because I vote against Gay Marriage doesn't mean I dislike Gays or want them to be unhappy. I just don't think they should have the same rights that I do"

OR even better, [b]Sithsaber's idiotic post:

"I am not Anti-Gay, I am just Pro-Straight."

😆 [/B]

Wait, was the first quote by her?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well, we hope anyway, since any divine justice handling and all that happened after the Nazi's responsible were dead and well beyond our ability to be certain they received any sort of punishment. Well beyond faith that God exists and does what people say he does and whatever.

Which isn't quite as comforting. And I know you don't really mean it that way, but it kind of comes off like the people who'd say "Don't worry Jimmy, yes the truck lost control due to an apparently unpredictable mechanical fault and crushed the car killing your entire family and leaving you crippled for life, but God is merciful and just. Doesn't that make you feel better?"

Statement: When the believer dies, all his wounds shall be made whole, and he shall inhabit a perfect body where perfect peace, contentment, and comfort are all he knows; pain and death will be things of the past.

Are you hinting at a certain organisation that has made its life's work to attack inequality and religious imposition wherever it finds it, which includes separation of Church and State, separation of education and religion and the idea of religious organisations projecting their values and marketing into places they shouldn't?

Because if you are I'm not sure how good an example that is.

Statement: Indeed FeceMan is referring to such an organization, an organization of hypocrites and wrongdoers who claim their goals as being noble and just.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
"Just because I vote against Gay Marriage doesn't mean I dislike Gays or want them to be unhappy. I just don't think they should have the same rights that I do"

OR even better, [b]Sithsaber's idiotic post:

"I am not Anti-Gay, I am just Pro-Straight."

😆 [/B]

Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: A straw man argument at its worst.

Response: Yes, the argument; ""Just because I vote against Gay Marriage doesn't mean I dislike Gays or want them to be unhappy. I just don't think they should have the same rights that I do" is a horrible one, but unfortunately representative of many conservative and traditional perspectives.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Query: Has Urizen ever considered that sithsaber might have been making a joke?

Answer: Yes, until he stated he was serious and tried to defend that statement.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Many sites like www.afa.net and it's affiliates do nothing but complain about the content of TV shows and petition companies to pull funding from such programs as "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia", "The Shield", and "Saving Grace" by threatening them with boycotts. They also are actively boycotting Ford for funding gay parades (I don't agree with gay parades, but boycotting them outright is a little extreme). They also threatened to boycott Wal Mart for carrying Brokeback Mountain. They speak of nothing but outrage and spend every ounce of energy trying to install a V-chip in the United States.

Discuss.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
God has done nothing (because he does not exist)

No amount of telling Jesus you are sorry, will ever make you clean of mass murder and torture of innocent people. That is a pure cop out.

I cannot admire a God who allows a mass murder and torturer into Heaven, simply because he decided to ask a dead man named Jesus for salvation.

While a decent person ends up in Hell for not beleiving in an illogical myth.

God doesn't "Allow" mass murder. We were given Free Will by Him as a gift. Would you rather be programmed at birth? I could also say the "cop out" is not believing. You have the Free Will to admire and believe as you choose. Without Free Will this would not be possible.

Originally posted by Badabing
Same could be said by every advocate group under the Sun. Zealots are present everywhere. Law, politics, religion, race, animal rights, environmentalists, etc.... What's makes your belief in nothing more credible than those of us who believe in God? Have you disproved the existence of God?

God doesn't "Allow" mass murder. We were given Free Will by Him as a gift. Would you rather be programmed at birth? I could also say the "cop out" is not believing. You have the Free Will to admire and believe as you choose. Without Free Will this would not be possible.

The idea that god gave us free will is a cop out. If god is all knowing, then free will from "his" point of view does not exist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The idea that god gave us free will is a cop out. If god is all knowing, then free will from "his" point of view does not exist.

Free will lets us choose, act and believe as we like. We weren't hardwired to act or believe at birth. Free will.

Originally posted by Badabing
That's one way to look at it. Knowing what has been and always will be does not impact our decisions.

Free will lets us choose, act and believe as we like. We weren't hardwired to act or believe at birth. Free will.

Yes, but I am talking about why the idea of free will is a cop out. I know we have free will, but the idea of free will as applies to god does not work well.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, but I am talking about why the idea of free will is a cop out. I know we have free will, but the idea of free will as applies to god does not work well.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh I see, being openly homophobic is bad, but being secretly homophobic is perfectly fine.

I frankly have no inward hatred towards gays...I'd just rather not see hundreds of near-naked men dancing in a street.

That shouldn't be too hard to understand.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Actually, the reason I don't agree with gay parades is because I am not homophobic. The concept is fine, however most of them are nothing but a display of every reason why homophobes hate gays. It's supposed to preach tolerance and show that gays are people too, but it makes them look like people who are out for attention and want nothing more than to shock people. In order for gays to be given the right to marriage, they have to be taken seriously. How do you take a man that dresses up as a Vegas showgirl seriously?

That basically sums it up.