Originally posted by Goddess Kali
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Originally posted by Goddess Kali
No they don't. In United States, heterosexuals have the right to marry who they wish, as long as the partner agrees.Homosexuals, in most US states, do not have the right to marry who they want. They can only marry someone of the opposite sex.
H-heterosexuals can marry people of the same sex?
Originally posted by Bardock42
H-heterosexuals can marry people of the same sex?
You love to argue semantics.
You knew what I meant. Heterosexuals can marry who they love. A Heterosexual will only marry a partner of the opposite sex. Homosexuals can't marry who they love. They have to marry someone they don't love.
The rights are not the same, they are not equal.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliThey are the same, that's what I was saying. You know I support further rights for gays. Gay marriage, adoption, etc.
You love to argue semantics.You knew what I meant. Heterosexuals can marry who they love. A Heterosexual will only marry a partner of the opposite sex. Homosexuals can't marry who they love. They have to marry someone they don't love.
The rights are not the same, they are not equal.
Just the thing is...I, just as much as you, are prevented from marrying someone of my own sex, even though, admittedly, I don't want that.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They are the same, that's what I was saying. You know I support further rights for gays. Gay marriage, adoption, etc.Just the thing is...I, just as much as you, are prevented from marrying someone of my own sex, even though, admittedly, I don't want that.
Right. What that means is that you can marry someone you love, and I can't. So no, the rights are not the same.
It's like arguing "You are all free to be Christian. Take freedom to beleive in God, without persecution for it.". An argument, which you know, many Christians will interpret from "Freedom of Religion".
So we are only free to be Christian, but not Atheist, Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist or Hindu ? That's not equality, that is not the same rights for everyone.
Saying that everyone has the right to be Christian, but not the right to be of all other Faiths is not equal, because obviously, people are going to want to belong to other Faiths, or no Faiths at all, without being persecuted for it.
Likewise, if one argues that all American Citizens have the right to marry, as long as they are in a woman and man union, then that is not equal. Because obviously, not every man wants to marry a woman, and vise versa.
I know you are for Gay Rights, and I appreciate that, but Gay Marriage will have just as many problems as "Straight" Marriage.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I know you are for Gay Rights, and I appreciate that, but Gay Marriage will have just as many problems as "Straight" Marriage.
Yeah, I am against state marriage. I think it should be private all the way.
Oh, and having the same rights (regardless of whether you want that right) is having the same rights. And it is equal. It might not be fair. But we should at least admit that in that issue we all got the same rights.
the catholic church has enough money to pay of the enitre third world debt of the world.
provide me a link to a source giving a reliable figure of what the current balance of the Roman Catholic Church is
then give me a link that has a reliable figure tallying up the collective debt of every 3rd world country on Earth
funding ethnic/relegious wars in already war torn african countries
give me a link to a source stating a Protestant Church is funding a war in Africa
paying off israel to massacre palestinians
eh ?
Israel is funded by the US government for militaristic and geopolitical purposes
they don't need some Protestant Church to help
and don't even try to make this political
Palestine is in every way as guilty of crimes as Israel
neither one is innocent or right in any shape or form
not to mention after school jesus specials and bible thumping printers. plus the funding of CURING FACILITIES to exorcise the demons that turn a christian child into a homosexual/fornicater etc. and they say its their CHOICE TO enter.
i would like you to give me a link to info on such facilities in this modern day
provide me a link to a source giving a reliable figure of what the current balance of the Roman Catholic Church is
then give me a link that has a reliable figure tallying up the collective debt of every 3rd world country on Earth
well known and quoted fact in most crticisms of the catholic church. deniability is not an impressive trait. also, are you a christian. because it is becoming increasinly common for christians to come up with such debating tactics.
give me a link to a source stating a Protestant Church is funding a war in Africa
no, that is mostly the catholic church funding christian sides against muslim sides. plus right wing american lobyists doing business with tyrants in afrika but giving a bandaid's worht of aid in return.
eh ?
Israel is funded by the US government for militaristic and geopolitical purposes
they don't need some Protestant Church to help
and don't even try to make this political
Palestine is in every way as guilty of crimes as Israel
neither one is innocent or right in any shape or form
protestant churches and organisations are sending tens of billions of dollar per year in aid to israel.
i would like you to give me a link to info on such facilities in this modern day
these are generally knowns and stated facts just like the estimated percentage of hiv infections in africa etc. however, ill try and find links to convince you.
well known and quoted fact in most crticisms of the catholic church. deniability is not an impressive trait. also, are you a christian. because it is becoming increasinly common for christians to come up with such debating tactics.
claim: you
me: provide source
you: did not provide source
i'll concede you were right upon you providing one shred of evidence saying what i asked you to prove
no, that is mostly the catholic church funding christian sides against muslim sides. plus right wing american lobyists doing business with tyrants in afrika but giving a bandaid's worht of aid in return.
evidence please
source ?
protestant churches and organisations are sending tens of billions of dollar per year in aid to israel.
link to source and evidence please
these are generally knowns and stated facts just like the estimated percentage of hiv infections in africa etc. however, ill try and find links to convince you.
you: claim
me: please provide source
i don't care about claims
i care about evidence
anyone can say something
but what they say only means something when it's proven
lol, taking out your frustratin from the vid game thread in here?? its a little embarrising dont you think, ill provide links if and when i feal like it. generally, i assum that the people i debate with are aware of basic facts. what are you gonna ask me next, to prove that the english language i am using can be used to make a coeherent and tru logical argument here?????
oh i know
u:ask for evidence
i:dont provide evidence
u:win and bash me??
lol. grow up kid. u know darn well{and u even admitted in the other thread} that ur purpose here is not concern over the topic and existance of facts but to PROVE to every1 that i should be banned and bashed. it actually quite funny.
lol, taking out your frustratin from the vid game thread in here?? its a little embarrising dont you think, ill provide links if and when i feal like it. generally, i assum that the people i debate with are aware of basic facts. what are you gonna ask me next, to prove that the english language i am using can be used to make a coeherent and tru logical argument here?????
well you aren't exactly coherent
stop making up things
and if what you're saying is that you will not back up your claims then you are conceding the debate
if you enter a debate and make a bold statement like the Church, one of the most respected organizations in the world, funds wars then damn straight i'll ask you to prove it
this isn't me asking you to prove 2+2=4
this is me asking you to prove that Protestant churches in Americ asnd money to Israel to kill people
these are radical insinuations
i'm fully entitled to call on you to prove them
the catholic church is one of the most respected organisations in the world???????????????????
r u NUTS?! it is only really respected by the poeple who FOLLOW it. otherwise people HATE it. it has a long history of intolerance and violence an still has power an influience over a lot of politics and economics which it only uses for its ideological gains. for instance, it is DIRECTLY responsible for discouraging people from using birth control and propogating false myths in africa about condoms actually letting the aid's virus through due to HOLES in latex, and as a result being ineffective in preventing aids because aids is god's punishment for premarital sex{when infact over 70% of aid's transmission was happening to women IN marriage in africa at the time} or homosexuality and the onl rememdy being follwoing the bible and celibacy{and african people without education are VERY impressionable by relegion} and a s a rsult turning the aids apedemic into a wildfire. plus still continueing to condemn and propogate hate and intolerance towards homsexuals etc. this is just the tip of the iceberg, the catholic church has quite often actively discouraged logical solutiuons and openly opposed such in favour of dogma as has often never apologised for crimes comitted in the past.
please, for your OWN sake, become a little aware of the world around you.
r u NUTS?! it is only really respected by the poeple who FOLLOW it. otherwise people HATE it
says who ?
you ?
you speak for everyone now ?
it has a long history of intolerance and violence an still has power an influience over a lot of politics and economics which it only uses for its ideological gains
its also done good
and it wouldn't have political clout if everyone who wasn't Catholic hated it
it is DIRECTLY responsible for discouraging people from using birth control
discouraging women from being open for business ?
how awful
from personal experience i can attest to there would be less underage sex if there was no pill
and propogating false myths in africa about condoms actually letting the aid's virus through due to HOLES in latex
provide a source saying this
and as a result being ineffective in preventing aids because aids is god's punishment for premarital sex{when infact over 70% of aid's transmission was happening to women IN marriage in africa at the time}
now you are saying the Catholic view on AIDs is that it's God's punishment ?
what Catholics are you talking about ?
it sure itn's anyones i've ever heard of
plus still continueing to condemn and propogate hate and intolerance towards homsexuals etc.
find me a proclamation from the Holy See encouraging hatred towards gays from any point in recent history or today
the catholic church has quite often actively discouraged logical solutiuons and openly opposed such in favour of dogma as has often never apologised for crimes comitted in the past.
examples and sources please
please, for your OWN sake, become a little aware of the world around you.
i'm still waiting for you to back up your claims
you now claim the Church's position on AIDS is that it's God's punishment and that it spread lies causing the HIV epidemic in Africa
these are HUGE claims
i want proof of them