Christian organizations are nothing but bullies

^you are obviously a christian. i understand the reason for such debating tactics now.

it hasnt done much good. your views are extremely close minded, OPEN FOR BUSINESS is not true. dont be an idiot, sex outside marriage is not business, nor is it prostitution, that is a bull point. it is completely false that there sud be less underage sex without the pill. do not try to find false evidence for illogical dogmas. your debating tactics seem to revolve around asking reasoning, and then proof for that reasoning on the most basic of points which is impossibly long, please read other threads here and perhaps stop using idiotic debating tactics, the catholic church has for the greater part been a force for bad as opposed to good. its bloody history is testament and very few people outside followers have respect for it.

Don't bother arguing with leonheartmm, 123Kid. Apparently, asking him to back up his claims is a poor debating tactic or something. (HEY LEON WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT ABSTINENCE BEING HARMFUL?)

^you are obviously a christian. i understand the reason for such debating tactics now.

i understand you're confused but it is common debating tactic to cite your sources when you make a statement

t hasnt done much good. your views are extremely close minded,

why ?
because i asked you to prove what you SAID ?

OPEN FOR BUSINESS is not true. dont be an idiot, sex outside marriage is not business, nor is it prostitution, that is a bull point

as i know two girls who only had sex because of birth control my point stands true
sex is not just a biological function there is an age for having sex and that's because of all the emotional and mental baggage that sex brings with it
these girls had sex to try and fill their voids in their lives and neither were ready for it
underage sex is almost always a mistake made by kids who ARE NOT ready for sex but thanks to the Wonder Pill they can do it without being afraid of pregnancy

it is completely false that there sud be less underage sex without the pill. do not try to find false evidence for illogical dogmas.

nope
i know my life more than you
i have no doubt taking away birth control would not seriously lower the amount of underage sex but just by personal experience i can definitely say that without the pill i know a few people would hav eless underage sex

your debating tactics seem to revolve around asking reasoning, and then proof for that reasoning on the most basic of points which is impossibly long,

the Church is funding wars and spread AIDs is not "the most basic of points"

it's akin to me claiming Bush planned 9/11 for his own political purposes

radical claims and you are expected to prove such claims

the catholic church has for the greater part been a force for bad as opposed to good. its bloody history is testament and very few people outside followers have respect for it

stop being so conceited and thinking you talk for people

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^you are obviously a christian. i understand the reason for such debating tactics now.

it hasnt done much good. your views are extremely close minded, OPEN FOR BUSINESS is not true. dont be an idiot, sex outside marriage is not business, nor is it prostitution, that is a bull point. it is completely false that there sud be less underage sex without the pill. do not try to find false evidence for illogical dogmas. your debating tactics seem to revolve around asking reasoning, and then proof for that reasoning on the most basic of points which is impossibly long, please read other threads here and perhaps stop using idiotic debating tactics, the catholic church has for the greater part been a force for bad as opposed to good. its bloody history is testament and very few people outside followers have respect for it.

Well there many other religions besides Christianity and Muslims. Many teach love without condemnation too. Many teach taking your own responsibility for your actions also. To call all religions bullies isn't really fare. But a person need not be religious at at to have morals and good values in life. We learn them by interactions with others.

is anyone else aware of what leon said claims ?
ya know the Church lying about HIV and declaring AIDS God's punishment ?

Yeah, it's old news, really. Evangelists, pfft.

i'm not talking about Evangelicals with their small collection of insane people
he's speaking of the Roman Catholic Church
and i've never heard of the Church doing or saying such things

The Roman Empire church is Christianity.

im not an idiot 123kid. the story in question was on both bbc and cnn in the specials which laster for around two hours each. it was exactly concerning the stance ofthe catholic church and how it is actually adding massive fuel to the aids pendemic. the false propaganda about latex condoms{you DO know that in many african countries where they are DONATED in bulk, they are communally BURNED because they are thought by the christians and muslims to be wrong and against their teachings and ineffective} was elaborated upon and specifically DENIED by the WHO spokesperson and manager for africa. furtehrmore, HE was the one who made the claim of 70% of all infection in women to take place INSIDE marriage. anyhow, i was just elaborating on ONE of the many horrible things the catholic CHURCH is responsible for in TODAY. outside of influencing nations and individuals and cutting off funding to those who may be operating research into stem cell{friggin bush himself vetoed stem cell research claiming it inhumane when he doesnt even know SHIT about it outside what his friggin pastor told him prolly} etc etc etc, plus the pressure against physics organisations like fermilab etc on trying to find out what happened before the big bang etc which is deemed inappropriate.

storm i never said that overall relegious people PERCE' are bad. id never say that. but christian ORGANISATIONS are almost always bullies, even the ones set up for basic good like giving aid have other parts which work for political objectives and turning people. also, ven organisations like the red CROSS have been known to intentionally not give aid to many non/anti christian sides, thta they cud have due to political or relegious reasons.

im not an idiot 123kid. the story in question was on both bbc and cnn in the specials which laster for around two hours each. it was exactly concerning the stance ofthe catholic church and how it is actually adding massive fuel to the aids pendemic.

since you don't like to post sources i'll try and find this on my own

all i've got so far is this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1465326.stm

note a Bishop and a Catholic newspaper are both vocally against the Church's position
so please don't try and paint it as some unified condemnation of condom use by Christians

{you DO know that in many african countries where they are DONATED in bulk, they are communally BURNED because they are thought by the christians and muslims to be wrong and against their teachings and ineffective}

no i didn't know that
source please

anyhow, i was just elaborating on ONE of the many horrible things the catholic CHURCH is responsible for in TODAY

so says the avid religious hater and liar
your imput is important to us
come back with evidence and we'll pay attention to you

outside of influencing nations and individuals and cutting off funding to those who may be operating research into stem cell{friggin bush himself vetoed stem cell research claiming it inhumane when he doesnt even know SHIT about it outside what his friggin pastor told him prolly}

so....as an anti-Catholic Church example you use Bush and his pastor ?
do you know anything about religions ?
mentioning Bush has NO relevance here AT ALL

plus the pressure against physics organisations like fermilab etc on trying to find out what happened before the big bang etc which is deemed inappropriate.

source please

storm i never said that overall relegious people PERCE' are bad. id never say that. but christian ORGANISATIONS are almost always bullies, even the ones set up for basic good like giving aid have other parts which work for political objectives and turning people. also, ven organisations like the red CROSS have been known to intentionally not give aid to many non/anti christian sides, thta they cud have due to political or relegious reasons.

so now the Red Cross refuses to help anti-Christians ?
the Church lied about condoms and called AIDS God's punishment ?
Protestant churches are funding to kill innocent Palestinians ?

Jesus Christ you're full of these radical ideas you can't prove

ya know what i'll join you

Hitler was really the Messiah the Jews wanted
George Bush is the reincarnation of Ghandi
Bill Gates is really plotting world domination and has more nuclea rmissiles than both Russia and the US combined

this is fun

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can judge a religion by it's members.

You know, I have to admit it is sad, that the most vocal members of the Christian faith have so much mixed up.

They boycot these things looking directly at the sin and going streight to judgement. Even though the Bible says for people not to judge other people. Christianity is about redemption, salvation. But so many "Christians" look down from a lofty perch and say "You're bad, I'm good. God loves me and not you." I believe Homosexuality is a sin, but I'm not going to boycot gays. It's funny... Historical and biblical accounts shows Jesus hanging out with sinners... but many "christians" turn the other way. We are to humble ourselves, but so many "christians" are self-rightous. It tears me apart to see these people who stand up there doing all of this, and all they are doing is smearing the name of my savior in the mud. The christian belief is to bring people to salvation from their sins, not lift ourselves up! Not to stand back and say "Hey, you! Yea you, the girl who has had 3 babies from 3 different guys. Who now lives in the park, because she can't afford a place to live. Serves you right." NO! That is not Christianity! Jesus said to Help these people, shoe HIS love, NOT OUR BIGGOTRY! Christianity is a Humble, serving religion. And yet, I see all over the news "Christian" groups boycotting this, tearing down that.

I have but quotations around the word christian several times, because these people may claim it, they no nothing of it, and when the the time comes, and they stand before the lord, with all their sins lay bare, Jesus will say to them "I never knew you." and they will be sent away.

"I do not like your Christians. I like your Christ, but so many Christian are unlike their Christ."

-Gandhi

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
"I do not like your Christians. I like your Christ, but so many Christian are unlike their Christ."

-Gandhi

^ And that is soo true. I do not claim to be a perfect christian, person, or American. And if you think about it, 90% of the "Christian" organizations who boycot these things (Soldier funerals, Homosexuals, Harry potter, etc.) are American. In america, christians don't have to fear for their lives, as they do in some other countries, so that leads to an influx of false christians. Christians who claim to follow Jesus, but are so unlike him. And, you can't follow someone and not be like them.

Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
the "Christian" organizations who boycot these things (Soldier funerals

I haven't heard of that one. How do they justify it?

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Many sites like www.afa.net and it's affiliates do nothing but complain about the content of TV shows and petition companies to pull funding from such programs as "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia", "The Shield", and "Saving Grace" by threatening them with boycotts. They also are actively boycotting Ford for funding gay parades (I don't agree with gay parades, but boycotting them outright is a little extreme). They also threatened to boycott Wal Mart for carrying Brokeback Mountain. They speak of nothing but outrage and spend every ounce of energy trying to install a V-chip in the United States.

Discuss.

But look at all the positive things they do with their resources... Wait, do they do anything positive?

Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
You know, I have to admit it is sad, that the most vocal members of the Christian faith have so much mixed up.

They boycot these things looking directly at the sin and going streight to judgement. Even though the Bible says for people not to judge other people. Christianity is about redemption, salvation. But so many "Christians" look down from a lofty perch and say "You're bad, I'm good. God loves me and not you." I believe Homosexuality is a sin, but I'm not going to boycot gays. It's funny... Historical and biblical accounts shows Jesus hanging out with sinners... but many "christians" turn the other way. We are to humble ourselves, but so many "christians" are self-rightous. It tears me apart to see these people who stand up there doing all of this, and all they are doing is smearing the name of my savior in the mud. The christian belief is to bring people to salvation from their sins, not lift ourselves up! Not to stand back and say "Hey, you! Yea you, the girl who has had 3 babies from 3 different guys. Who now lives in the park, because she can't afford a place to live. Serves you right." [b]NO! That is not Christianity! Jesus said to Help these people, shoe HIS love, NOT OUR BIGGOTRY! Christianity is a Humble, serving religion. And yet, I see all over the news "Christian" groups boycotting this, tearing down that.

I have but quotations around the word christian several times, because these people may claim it, they no nothing of it, and when the the time comes, and they stand before the lord, with all their sins lay bare, Jesus will say to them "I never knew you." and they will be sent away. [/B]

Now, if other Christians could believe that.

Originally posted by Quark_666
I haven't heard of that one. How do they justify it?

To tell the truth? I HAVE NO IDEA! All I know is that there is or was a group of "Christians" who boycots soldier funerals. I saw it on the news a while back. I think they were from either Navada or Nabraska... They are against the war for some reason.

Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
To tell the truth? I HAVE NO IDEA! All I know is that there is or was a group of "Christians" who boycots soldier funerals. I saw it on the news a while back. I think they were from either Navada or Nabraska... They are against the war for some reason.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060121/NEWS/601210405

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Now, if other Christians could believe that.

There are many Christians who believe that. They just aren't as vocal, unfortunately. I know several personally, but if more people would actually open a Bible and read it, they would see that the fundamental beliefs are not as so many "Christians" portray us.