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Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Quicksilver only goes about 750 to 1000 mph or around mach 1. Vaizard Ichigo is hitting speeds pretty close to Mach 35 or so.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

And those numbers are based on what?

Hint: Your rectum is not a canon source

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And those numbers are based on what?
Hint: Your rectum is not a canon source

Read the respect thread in my sig for the math.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

I've seen it, it's full of biased assumptions. First of all you just pick distances out of thin air. "This is 15 meters" without doing any scaling whatsoever. Then you assume that the 20% reiatsu limiter equals a linear 5x speed increase, when there is nothing to support this.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And those numbers are based on what?
Hint: Your rectum is not a canon source

Hey, you need not be rude about it either, Mike...

No reason for that.

And, to Akuki, math is not always an acceptable source. Certain maths put the Flash going at trillions of times the speed of light, when, in reality, he was going just near lightspeed.

Math is inadmissible quite often.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by Soljer
Hey, you need not be rude about it either, Mike...
No reason for that.
And, to Akuki, math is not always an acceptable source. Certain maths put the Flash going at trillions of times the speed of light, when, in reality, he was going just near lightspeed.
Math is inadmissible quite often.

I know that, it's just that when it comes down to it, it's nearly impossible to calculate bleach speed without using math, since there really aren't any context clues from the text, unlike many comics. However what we do know is that in base form Ichigo was a arrow/timer when his spirit energy was at it's lowest setting and as that speed was quickly overwhelmed by renji he accelerated greatly to the extent that he was able to overwhelm Renji , and even then he was eaily taken out by a greatly decellerated Byakuya so that he couldn't even see the two attacks. We have on panel proof that the speed of shinigami is in fact directly affected by the seal, and we know that even after Ichigo achieved Shunpo in soul society and was able to match Byakuya's speed, but was unable to escape from Kyouka suigetsu, threreby showing that that is at least slightly faster than Byakuya. We also know that in bankai form Ichigo is well over twice the speed of kyouka suigetsu, and his speed appears to increase again in Vaizard form. So I think we can legitimately say that Ichigo's speed is well into the double digits of mach speed.

Soljer Beware my Power

Okay, there were way too many non english words in that paragraph, I really couldn't dedicate myself to hacking through it, my apologies.

All I'm saying is that math is fairly inadmissible, or, at least, should be. Merely due to the fact that writers don't sit down and figure out the capabilities of their characters the way we do.

They just have them do cool shit.

If you can show me something that convinces me of even mach ten speed, we'll have something to go off of.

Till then? All you have is your own suppositions with the math. 😬.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by Soljer
Okay, there were way too many non english words in that paragraph, I really couldn't dedicate myself to hacking through it, my apologies.
All I'm saying is that math is fairly inadmissible, or, at least, should be. Merely due to the fact that writers don't sit down and figure out the capabilities of their characters the way we do.
They just have them do cool shit.
If you can show me something that convinces me of even mach ten speed, we'll have something to go off of.
Till then? All you have is your own suppositions with the math. 😬.

The problem with that is that with bleach, as with other manga, speeds of all of the participants speeds up at relatively the same pace, so for example ichigo's speed feat against Byakuya in bankai form where he is able to instantaneously put his sword against Byakuya's throat before he can react is a very impressive feat(and that was stated to be when he wasn't at his full bankai speed). However it's a heck of a lot more impressive if you factor in the fact that Byakuya was able to stab someone with at least arrowtiming if not bullet timing abilities twice while at a very restricted speed without them being able to even see him moving. So the main reason I'm putting up all these backgound info is because if you don't have that info the feats are far less impressive than they actually are

Kutulu Restricted

'nuff said.

Kutulu Restricted

Full powered Cyclops blast:

Face it, Grimmjow just doesn't have the capabilities to take Hulk down permanently. He just doesn't. Even if he could destroy a planet it still wouldn't be enough.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Ok, here's my attampt to prove to people that bleach speeds are around where I've been claiming they are.

Ichigo's capabilities as a base level shingami(no shikai) with his sword in the unreleased form.

Ichigo proves that he is a arrow-timer by easily blocking one of Ishida's arrows even though it was aimed at his back.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Bleach-06-02-10.png
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Bleach-06-02-11.png

Now that is the level of speed he has when he initially begins fighting Renji in the human world and Renji easily beats him, and shows that he also has highly enhanced reflexes.
Renji showing he has superhuman reflexes by dodging Ishida's attack without any forewarning.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Bleach-06-09-18.jpg
Renji overpowering and showing superior speed to Ichigo.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach054-08.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach054-09.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach054-10.jpg

Ichigo releases his spirit energy and is able to overwhelm Renji in terms of speed and move faster than he can react to (Showing that even in his base form he's able to show speed levels that overwhelm arrowtimers)
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach055-11.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach055-12.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach055-13.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/bleach055-14.jpg
More to come.

Soljer Beware my Power

I hate to break it to you, but 'arrowtiming' is something that's below even peak humans. Batman, Captain America, Daredevil, you name it - they all have feats of snatching arrows out of the air - with EASE.

They also all have feats that would put them on bullet time levels. Much less arrow timing.

Obviously, some of the later feats are a little more impressive, but speedblitzing an 'arrowtimer' is not. That's Spiderman level, definitely NOT Quicksilver level. And certainly not mach 35.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by Soljer
I hate to break it to you, but 'arrowtiming' is something that's below even peak humans. Batman, Captain America, Daredevil, you name it - they all have feats of snatching arrows out of the air - with EASE.
They also all have feats that would put them on bullet time levels. Much less arrow timing.
Obviously, some of the later feats are a little more impressive, but speedblitzing an 'arrowtimer' is not. That's Spiderman level, definitely NOT Quicksilver level. And certainly not mach 35.

Umm, just to let you know, that's the very very beginning level of bleach before he recieves any upgrades.

Skeets Senior Member

LOL @ Mach 35...

Kutulu Restricted

You call those feats?

Hulk was able to keep up with someone capable of this (destroying a world with a few punches):

Who can survive flying through a star one hundred million miles wide.

Moving at near light velocity to stop a particle beam:

Drags Supreme into space before he can even react:

Hulk can easily survive nukes and planetary shattering blows. His healing is such that any damage done is healed in mere seconds.

This is what would happen to Grimmjow:

Kutulu Restricted

Even Wonderman is impressed with his speed, keep in mind he's even stronger, more durable and faster healing now than he ever was:

lando005 Senior Member

he doesn't have to kill him he just has to put him down

vlaaad12345 Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
he doesn't have to kill him he just has to put him down

Which he cant,hulk is mildly annoyed by nuclear blasts and jumps in lava with no real damage,gj is nowhere near strong enough to overwhelm hulks healing factor or durability,like I said earlier when cero starts destroying several feet of things a couple dozen times stronger then steel then we might start talking about it taking the hulk down.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Here's a cool example of Ichigo's bankai speed. Wait till around the 6th minute of the video and it'll be around there. Note that this isn't his fastest level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6Mr-B-HxM

Skeets Senior Member

How is any of that Mach 35?