Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I imagine someone from Gareth Dragonsbane's party, those guys were all nuts. Artemis was just plan out classed when he went up against Olwen after he was blamed for Mariabronne's death... and Olwen is hardly the big guns in that party (Master Kane is a monster). Other then them I would say that with all his gear it would be next to impossible to take down Jarlaxle, other then him a tose up between Artemis and Athrogate.I think everyone in Gareth Dragonsbane's party is level 21 plus (one of them might be 30), Drizzt is a level 16 and Artemis is 18 (although he was stated as 26 in 2nd Edition!) so you can get a pretty good idea on how they outclass Drizzt and this company.
That's completely ridiculous, it's liking using the Marvel handbook instead of the comics. If you read the books, you would know that Drizzt is more skilled than Entreri, and has beaten him fairly and squarely at least twice. Once, when Jarlaxle rescued Entreri, and again when Kimmuriel Oblodra gave him psionic powers.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
how you like the Orc King?
It was a good book, but there was one thing I didn't really get.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Frost Giants are stronger than Ogres, which in turn are stronger than Orcs. How could a mixed Orc/Ogre pose any threat at all to a god-blessed Orc strong enough to humiliate the Frost Giant queen with ease? Or is there something I missed?
Originally posted by Symbiotic
That's completely ridiculous, it's liking using the Marvel handbook instead of the comics. If you read the books, you would know that Drizzt is more skilled than Entreri, and has beaten him fairly and squarely at least twice. Once, when Jarlaxle rescued Entreri, and again when Kimmuriel Oblodra gave him psionic powers.
One must also remember that Salvatore gave us the semi-copout of Entreri being older for a human than Drizzt is for a Dark Elf. I can't vouch for the second time, as it may have been after some of Entreri's power-ups.
I think quantifying the powers of such narrative characters to an exact degree is a bit risky. I dislike it in practice, though they are almost forced to since they're in a D&D universe. Athrogate was written as Entreri's equal, and we never actually saw a prolonged confrontation, for example. I prefer to leave it at that. Though some require more definitive means of categorization.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
One must also remember that Salvatore gave us the semi-copout of Entreri being older for a human than Drizzt is for a Dark Elf. I can't vouch for the second time, as it may have been after some of Entreri's power-ups.I think quantifying the powers of such narrative characters to an exact degree is a bit risky. I dislike it in practice, though they are almost forced to since they're in a D&D universe. Athrogate was written as Entreri's equal, and we never actually saw a prolonged confrontation, for example. I prefer to leave it at that. Though some require more definitive means of categorization.
I'm fairly certain the second time was after the shade incident, Salvatore's way of putting Entreri in his prime agian, but I'd have to check to be sure.
Originally posted by Symbiotic
I'm fairly certain the second time was after the shade incident, Salvatore's way of putting Entreri in his prime agian, but I'd have to check to be sure.
Mind you, I'm not questioning that Drizzt is slightly > Entreri, regardless of what the D&D handbooks may say. Hell, put him in a forum fight and Drizzt would have Guen along as part of his standard equipment, which makes it kinda lopsided. Any neutral setting should produce the same result. Comparing magical trinkets between them is likely a wash if we ignore Guen, but I always suspect we were supposed to see Drizzt as better than him anyway.
Originally posted by Symbiotic
That's completely ridiculous, it's liking using the Marvel handbook instead of the comics. If you read the books, you would know that Drizzt is more skilled than Entreri, and has beaten him fairly and squarely at least twice. Once, when Jarlaxle rescued Entreri, and again when Kimmuriel Oblodra gave him psionic powers.
Not really. The Forgotten Realms novels are exist for the sole purposes of enriching the lore of the Forgotten Realm campaign universe. All the writers working on books inside D&D's Forgotten Realm, Dragonlance and Ebberon all work with inside the parameters side out by the guidebooks for the table top rpg. Marvel's handbooks are companion pieces to the comics where as the Forgotten Realm novels are companion pieces to the campaign books, it's a case of role reversal. And the campaign books are incredibly detailed and accurate and the others of the books work toothier much more intimately to retain coherence and accuracy. I mean Artemis was almost killed off when D&D removed the Assassin class from the rpg. Salvatore was told to kill Artemis off to match the guidebooks, until he convinced the higher-ups that Artemis was a fighter/thief and not an assassin.
Anyway Drizzt has only managed to edge out wins on Artemis because of luck and plot devices. Battlefields where Drizzt had the edge and Artemis being middle aged and slowing down. Most importantly Drizzt won because he was the hero and Wizards of the Coast wouldn't let him get kill him off, which was Salvatore's original intention and the reason Artemis was created. They haven't fought since Artemis got the Charron's Claw or since he was deaged and rejuvenated by absorbing the life force of a Shade.
Didn't know Artemis almost got killed off. Cool info srank.
Personally, I'd still give an edge to Drizzt, though the handbooks might disagree (and I realize they're more of an authority than Marvel handbooks). His enchanted leg bracers are the clincher for me, though it's clearly not a 10/10 scenario. Charron's Claw and the jeweled dagger < the ice sword, Cutter(??), and the bracers. And globes of darkness (which he'd have in a neutral setting), which both can fight in but likely favor Drizzt.
Keep in mind that Charron's claw can create a wall of solid ash and a single nic can kill the enemy. It is a much more powerful weapon than anything Drizzt is packing being a Netherese artifact. And with all the character development in the last novel I think Artemis is over all the CIS that was holding him back in previous fights with Drizzt.
I was realy hoping we'd get to see Artemis get some Shade abilites ala Erevis Cale... but I guess I have to wait for this current Drizzt series to be over before there is even a chance of that. 🙁
screw the hand books there compeltely inaccurate which I ahve already explain in this thread. They are not evdiences nor do they prove anything. There utter rubish and are completely inaccurate
example bruenor bio is completely wrong............on spo many levels.............he does not even have a shield in the hand books.........ect.