DMC(Heroes/Villains)Vs Nosgoth

But even he gets that in high demonic form (Super Sparda form in DMC2) Dante is faster etc than is his regular demon form. That aura that he gets when he first transforms into the form close to his father's (and which you also get with costumes that give you unlimited DT- proving that the stuff is canonical and the aura appears in relgular DMC storyline also) is clear showing that our handsome whitehaired halfblood finally becomes true high demonic lord and a heir of his father's legacy.

So I don't see why he wouldn't choose that form for fight since it's within his powerset. Both he and his dad (going by Mundus' saying that Dante's eyes shine exactly like his father's ones) were able to deflect powerful destructive spells with just their eyes. Imagine them deflecting Inspire Hate on Kain's teammates. Fun, anyone?

Super Sparda from DMC 2 won't be beaten by Kain no matter what Burning Thought says.Sparda is completly indestructible and he can kill anyone including bosses with one shot.

Originally posted by Estacado
Super Sparda from DMC 2 won't be beaten by Kain no matter what Burning Thought says.Sparda is completly indestructible and he can kill anyone including bosses with one shot.

Ergo, Kain gets destroyed either by Dante or by his father or by both of them together in their high demonic forms (stuff called Sparda\Super Sparda forms in games). Soul Reaver is taken as a trophy. End of f*cking comedy.

point me to where it says Sparda is invincible in a cannon and official statement and ill call this a draw...

destroys?....only reaver my friend can kill kain

inspire hate is not a projectile its an invisible force that affects the mind, they have shown no immunity to this and so cannot be shown to defend it in which case its a viable kain tactic

so...inspire hate, sparda family kill eachother in a blood bath or at least vergil and dante and Sparda has his soul destroyed through kains many means such as soul death, his unnamed move in soul reaver 1 but which could also be soul death or he simply impales sparda..comedy over indeed, roll the credits

Originally posted by Burning thought
point me to where it says Sparda is invincible in a cannon and official statement and ill call this a draw...

destroys?....only reaver my friend can kill kain

inspire hate is not a projectile its an invisible force that affects the mind, they have shown no immunity to this and so cannot be shown to defend it in which case its a viable kain tactic

so...inspire hate, sparda family kill eachother in a blood bath or at least vergil and dante and Sparda has his soul destroyed through kains many means such as soul death, his unnamed move in soul reaver 1 but which could also be soul death or he simply impales sparda..comedy over indeed, roll the credits

And we have both Dante and his dad in that form. Kain is in trouble....to add to that, Dante can easily parry Kain's strikes with his Royalguard style, since Kain's combat speed is not superior to his.

Originally posted by Estacado
Go play DMC 2.
He can't impale Sparda can't you understand that no one in DMC 2 can even push him or scratch him?he is completly invulnerable 1 hit from him would easily KO Kain.

fanboyism 🙄 . ive completed DMC 2, please point me to the cutscene or storyline where it stars Sparda in DMC 2, i dont seem to remember unless your referring to an unlockable costume where Sparda form is invcinbile which is gameplay and so is not debatable, i would be happy to conced this long lasting debate but on factual grounds only, if you can find where it says sparda is invincible as a fact from an offical statement or in-game then ill call it a draw, if you cannot then its not a point to debate

who needs to impale sparda when you can destory his soul?...all these things have souls and Sparda never shows any resistence, his soul will be destroyed and all his power gone, so much for 1 hit can KO kain, dude get over it, kain is unlikely to be hit let alone Koed, he can teleport instantly and turn into mist and his resitence to being Koed is incredible, he endures many hits with the reaver on him, has his heart torn out and then is cast through a dimension which ko's him for roughly an hour or two maybe less. Kain does not have his heart anymore and none of the characters have the weapons to harm kain nor does their father....

Originally posted by Burning thought
fanboyism 🙄 . ive completed DMC 2, please point me to the cutscene or storyline where it stars Sparda in DMC 2, i dont seem to remember unless your referring to an unlockable costume where Sparda form is invcinbile which is gameplay and so is not debatable, i would be happy to conced this long lasting debate but on factual grounds only, if you can find where it says sparda is invincible as a fact from an offical statement or in-game then ill call it a draw, if you cannot then its not a point to debate

who needs to impale sparda when you can destory his soul?...all these things have souls and Sparda never shows any resistence, his soul will be destroyed and all his power gone, so much for 1 hit can KO kain, dude get over it, kain is unlikely to be hit let alone Koed, he can teleport instantly and turn into mist and his resitence to being Koed is incredible, he endures many hits with the reaver on him, has his heart torn out and then is cast through a dimension which ko's him for roughly an hour or two maybe less. Kain does not have his heart anymore and none of the characters have the weapons to harm kain nor does their father....

There's a couple of soul affecting spells in BO\BO2 (I think), but nothing THAT uber...

And Sparda family is resistant to soul sucking...so it would be quite hard for Kain to take their souls out of their bodies in order to destroy them.

Originally posted by Estacado
Going by Defiance he needs to stab his oponents so don't come with that he will just suck out his soul bullshit.
Go play DMC 2.
Dante has Sparda mode in DMC 2 you can activate it when your health is red..
Guess you haven't played too much DMC 2....🙄

yes...gameplay so? i asked you to point out him using it and showing invincibility not in-game, ofcourse dante has sparda form but its durability is suspect, infninite DT is suspect also but its only a small point that kain can live with

yes Defiance...Defiance kain is the same kain in Soul reaver 1 who can blast souls to atoms from a distance without stabbing at all...not to menstion he reagains all his old powers so Soul death which is a long range spell that kills a soul is an option as well...and you still have yet to prove Kain cannot stab Sparda and that Sparda is invincible

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes...gameplay so? i asked you to point out him using it and showing invincibility not in-game, ofcourse dante has sparda form but its durability is suspect, infninite DT is suspect also but its only a small point that kain can live with

yes Defiance...Defiance kain is the same kain in Soul reaver 1 who can blast souls to atoms from a distance without stabbing at all...not to menstion he reagains all his old powers so Soul death which is a long range spell that kills a soul is an option as well...and you still have yet to prove Kain cannot stab Sparda and that Sparda is invincible

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
There's a couple of soul affecting spells in BO\BO2 (I think), but nothing THAT uber...

And Sparda family is resistant to soul sucking...so it would be quite hard for Kain to take their souls out of their bodies in order to destroy them.

their resitence is very poor, the tiny Orb whos power is unlikely to be anything near to the reaver anyway yet i cannot prove so it not a point i can debate was said to drain dantes soul not forcefully rip it out or destroy it, it simply drains and this left Dante extremely weakened in the cut scene, all he did was hold it for a few seconds and he was feeling fatigued and weakened, luckily for him the orb gave him power also...the reaver does not

Soul death rips out souls, not sucks, theres a large diffrence to the forcefulness not to menstion the orb would kill dante if he held it for too long, so what we have is very limited resitence to reaver stabs if any at all, one stab and Dante will be on his knees feeling weak and moments later will be dead

Originally posted by Estacado
Oh so now Kain has all abilities from Soul reaver 1 but Super Sparda form isn't invulnerable just because you don't like it and haven't even played with it.....haermm

theres a diffrnce between abilities and durability, sparda form is available thats the ability, however the fact hes invulnerable in-game and is never shown such a feat nor would it be logical to assume in cutscenes or the storyline not to menstion the one in Defiance is the same one as the kain in soul reaver 1...it would be like saying Dante wouldnt have any DMC 3 powers in DMC 1 or 2 simply because its a diffrent game their the same people and would have the abilities unless it says otherwise in the games, for example BO2 kain doesnt have BO1 abilites because he loses them

As for "nowhere the Reaver"- in terms of overall greatness yes, Reaver is uber weapon, and as for soul sucking purposes...with the orb you just need to keep it near you, while Reaver sucks your soul when stabbed into you...
Contact vs ranged here. And soul is immaterial...Kain can't atomize it, he either blasts it out of victim's body (Soul destruction), or blasts it out of victim's body and takes into his posession to control person (though it only works on "weak-minded" opponents in games.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for "nowhere the Reaver"- in terms of overall greatness yes, Reaver is uber weapon, and as for soul sucking purposes...with the orb you just need to keep it near you, while Reaver sucks your soul when stabbed into you...

near you, i dont remember Dante or anything being weakened when he wasnt holding the thing, but regardless that doenst mean its more powerful at soul sucking at all, the reaver is able to blast a human being into pieces with one stroke ripping their soul from them, its debatable by itself that one stab of the reaver doesnt rip your soul from you instantly itself

if it has an AOE effect to the orb then that is still no show its more powerful at sucking souls, its just got a large area of effect, it still seems a weak item and jester says it drains your soul, not tear at it. still Dante falls weak after less than a minute of holding the thing, one stab of the reaver if it doesnt blow him into pieces would quite quickly weaken him and perhaps kill him rather fast after that.

and yes when kain posseses you only the weak minded are effected, wether it will work on Dante is unlikely however soul death works on any enemy apart from bosses (gameplay) and the soul is forefully ripped not drained.

Blasts and other powers aren't related to soul sucking- Reaver has waste powerset (in fact it has powers of pretty much every Dante's Devil Arm to some extent). And even when stabbed, the Spardas still have 5-10 minutes to live- while Kain has to keep his precious weapon in their bodies for that liong- basically becoming disarmed.

5-10 mins, where does it say that, when i played it never said that..it just said you had to hurry or it will drain your soul away not to menstion dante was being given pwoer by the orb as well which the reaver doesnt do and in-game you had those green orbs and constant demons to survie obviously gameplay so his endurance is still unfounded to soul sucking, especially soul blasts from range which could 1-hit kill anyone on the DMC side due to no proof of resitence enough to survive it

and being disarmed is no threat to kain, with a quick TK move he has the reaver again and the reaver does not work properly in the hands of another

10 minutes was proven experimentally- that's the time after which you die in that level if you just stand and do nothing.

hmm gameplay though isnt it and it still doesnt mean anything, dante survives 10 mins, its not immunity hes simply surviving the effect of the orb, pretending 10 minutes is the official storyline time dante can survive the orb, it still shows he is extremely weak after touching the orb for about a minute before it gives him the power to DT constantly, problem is the reaver is not giving him any power and its logical to assume although cannot be proven the reavers power would be greater than the orb, combiend with its ravenuos soul devouring in dante without giving him power is going to hurt..a lot, if not destroy him in stab or a stab and a few seconds of it being in him.

I've never said that that's immunity- that's just resistance.

Also once the Reaver is out of person's body,it stops sucking person's soul...