wish we could somehow contact the developers themselves, it would actually be quite fun to see the creator of DMC and creator of LOK laying down the facts but all we can do is assume and put in our views
i mean hell in DMC is odd, its got areas that are completly white and mysterious, its got areas that seem to be living like inside the great beast flying around the tower in DMC 3 and it has fiery areas.
The thing Kain does with his TK is pretty much equal to Vergil's move with his Summoned Swords called Sword Hanging- you throw your opponent into the air and then fix him in place with your energy sword- or move him.
Soul Reaver is a great weapon...but Kain isn't as great as warrior (though he's great as warlord) to live up to that. He never seems to be interested in unorthodoxal methods of combat etc. Though he's good with prep strategies etc- the thing with timestream showed that clearly.
not a great warrior, he battles in several wars and came victorious in most until the sarafan lord using the nexus stone beat him which was a bit of cheat anyway but still, then he singe handedly defeats about 5 powerful vampires, at his youngest form when hes just begun his legacy he beats 8 extremely powerful sorcerors some of which could shatter entire lands and cities and continues to destroy keeps full of sarafan to eventually a face-off against the hylden themselves that he destroys a fortress off before killing thier leader the hylden lord and this is in his younger days, since vampires in nosgoth evolve every hundreds year or so and kains evolved over many thousands of years after the events of killing the hylden lord regaining his old and some new powers and you call him a bad warrior, warlord is what he becomes but at heart he was a warrior and although the games when you play are terrible at showing him doing any feat of skill his storyline says otherwise, i mean the sorcerors, hylden and their lord all have prep, especially the hylden lord who has an enormous amount of prep of like 200 years falls to kain in the end.
problem with vergils sword move its seems to be limited wheras kain can keep his enemies in TK for as long as he likes to, not to menstion only the reaver would harm kain so the energy sword is unlikely to stop him, or even hit him if he goes mist.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Temen-ni-gri (as well as Leviathan, and no way Leviathan's stomach is a part of hell) was merely an entrance to the world of demons summoned into the human world.
i know i must have put it unclearly, i meant leaviathans stomach "looks" like part of hell in DMC 1, i didnt think it was
also as another note i cant remeber the exact time kain has been around after Blood omen 2 events, he is clearly stated to have been alive for 1000 years after raising his vampire sons by raziel and then when Raziel is cast into the abyss he is tumbling and burning for god knows how long, in enough time for all his brothers to deevolve and the world turning into ruin, but possibly he could of been in there for thousands of years, i cannot remember but it think it says somehwere, perhaps Nikkolas or Madmel if he sees this knows
And the final Dante vs Mundus fight clearly happened not in the hell- how can you escape from the hell on the plane? It was an island on Earth...and Dante most prbably fell into simple volcanic plateu.
The thing is that Vergil can actually continue to strike suspended enemy with his weaponry gameplaywise while Kain can't use weapons when he uses his TK in gameplay.
the final mundus fight was underground somewhere wasnt it, with trish helping him and mundus was all those eyes and hands mostly, at some point Dante escapes hell after the second battle in the lava, ill have to replay it again to remember, thankfully its on ps2 so ill be able to go straight to the end, beat mundus and have a look, at some point he gets back on the island and escapes with trish, where the hell did the plane come from anyway, did he use it to get here? cant remember
The thing with age was already mentioned in Dante vs Kain thread somewhere there. Kain basically did nothing for hundreds of years after he finished conquuering and taming the humanity. That's why Raziel came to him and said "We grew bored".
Extra age doesn't means extra skills or superiour mastery there.
how, kain can teleport miles, he could simply get to the entrance, in DMC 3 hell was open for a long enough time so sealing kain in would not be an easy task, youll need to get him in there first which would be near impossible, if not impossible what with him using the reaver, teleporting and misting, why would he go into hell..he may banish the brothers into hell himself if their not careful by Tking them into it.
It wasn't easy to open portal to the hell. And Temen-ni-gri was just an entrance, sort of hall. And it took Perfect Amulet and Force Edge to remove a seal, if you remember.
I won't repeat the stuff about speed advantage there, since debate would go in circles.
And let's debate "Sparda Sr. and Mundus" vs Rasiel and another Kain's supporters...since we can go in circles about Kain vs Dante& Vergil
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-458261-kain-vs-sparda-dmc-2-dante-form.html
Here we had separate thread about Kain vs Dante in Sparda form...and Sparda form characteristics are given there...
so sparda is a bit faster than Dante it seems, obviously can fly and most of the things i know since ive compelted DMC 1
i think the biggest threat to Nosgoth team is Spardas fast fireing duel energy ball things, their gonna be a pain, although their damage is probably not too lethal and his main dragon blast attack is fairly slow, it took about 2/3 seconds to hit mundus from close range, 3 seconds all together including his chargeing of the attack, then it takes power to charge it up which means its going to be an awkward move to hit most of the vampires and raziel
Raziel can do many things like go invisible, blind things as well as has the elemental powers of air, fire, cold among other reaver powers and eventually gains the purfied reaver which is rather powerful itself, not to menstion his wraith blade swallows souls itself, Raziel would be able to take on use TK to bring spardas flight to an end and TK chain him on the ground, Sparda has few defensive or protection powers it seems and Raziel would then reave their fathers soul. Then we have the major problem, Mundus, but he would not last long to having his soul reaved as well as hacked at by various vampires, many who have physical strength on par or greater than kain, malchiah can go immaterial and has large endurance as does Dumah and Turel is good at blasted beings off their feed with sonic blasts which is likely to disrupt both sparda and mundus.
weak? you havnt played soul reaver and seem to know nothing about it, Raziel alone could take Mundus and Sparda, TK shackles on Sparda and he cannot do anything and then Mundus would get owned
also Mundus cannot teleport others, even teleporting himself seems unlikely considering he flies everywhere when you fight him and in the cutscenes and also teleporting others seems impossible for him, otherwise he could of teleported Dante and trish into the deepest bowels of hell or with millions of his demons, or even into the heart of the volcano however this is not true.
if Mundus can be harmed by sparda form then the soul reaver would rip out Mundus' soul, or destroy it utterly. Mundus, Sparda and the brothers will shit their pants once Kain gets angry..with Raziel beside him and his vampire sons its going to be overpowering. Kain may just conquer hell while his at it and use the broken body of Mundus as his throne.
Originally posted by Burning thought
so sparda is a bit faster than Dante it seems, obviously can fly and most of the things i know since ive compelted DMC 1i think the biggest threat to Nosgoth team is Spardas fast fireing duel energy ball things, their gonna be a pain, although their damage is probably not too lethal and his main dragon blast attack is fairly slow, it took about 2/3 seconds to hit mundus from close range, 3 seconds all together including his chargeing of the attack, then it takes power to charge it up which means its going to be an awkward move to hit most of the vampires and raziel
Raziel can do many things like go invisible, blind things as well as has the elemental powers of air, fire, cold among other reaver powers and eventually gains the purfied reaver which is rather powerful itself, not to menstion his wraith blade swallows souls itself, Raziel would be able to take on use TK to bring spardas flight to an end and TK chain him on the ground, Sparda has few defensive or protection powers it seems and Raziel would then reave their fathers soul. Then we have the major problem, Mundus, but he would not last long to having his soul reaved as well as hacked at by various vampires, many who have physical strength on par or greater than kain, malchiah can go immaterial and has large endurance as does Dumah and Turel is good at blasted beings off their feed with sonic blasts which is likely to disrupt both sparda and mundus.
Originally posted by Burning thought
weak? you havnt played soul reaver and seem to know nothing about it, Raziel alone could take Mundus and Sparda, TK shackles on Sparda and he cannot do anything and then Mundus would get ownedalso Mundus cannot teleport others, even teleporting himself seems unlikely considering he flies everywhere when you fight him and in the cutscenes and also teleporting others seems impossible for him, otherwise he could of teleported Dante and trish into the deepest bowels of hell or with millions of his demons, or even into the heart of the volcano however this is not true.
if Mundus can be harmed by sparda form then the soul reaver would rip out Mundus' soul, or destroy it utterly. Mundus, Sparda and the brothers will shit their pants once Kain gets angry..with Raziel beside him and his vampire sons its going to be overpowering. Kain may just conquer hell while his at it and use the broken body of Mundus as his throne.