DMC(Heroes/Villains)Vs Nosgoth

DMC char vs Nosgoth characters is almost as bad as Fantastic 4 VS living Tribunal and Galactus

Kain can manipulate time like the brothers, move through dimensions and both Kain and Raziel can survive being disintegrated into molecules or dissolved. Especially Raziel who is effectively indestructable since he only needs to move into a corpse to return to the battle even if through a sudden godlike power one of the DMC does kill him.

the Girls should be removed if you want this to be a fair fight, they will simply act as siphons and energy power ups for Kain and Raz whos weapons and themselves can feed on them. Kains spells do not take cast time and his teleport takes less than a second, in a second the Dante brothers would not be able to kill kain. Also the soul reaver soul sucks its true, but as i said before Kain does a move called Soul death that instantly rips out your soul, its a diffrent death, same with his soul blast from the reaver.

all that will happen in this fight is that the brothers will DT, start blowing holes and slashing through kain/Raz until their DT wears off eventually and then yelp in horror as kain materialises, activates his time powers and soul death one, soul blast another..both the brothers down..then theres just mundus and Sparda VS Kain, Raz and all the vampire lords. Once again, kain can simply laugh at any attempt to harm him and destroys Mundus and Sparda with a combination of dimension powered attacks, lightning and soul deaths while Raziel can unleash elemental fire, air , light and darkness to destroy them. Theres so many ways the Nosgoth team can win its unfair

Well, DT is unlimited normally...and in games it can be unlimeted on harder levels. Unlimited DT is thing we can actually see in games (play DMC on harder levels (Heaven or Hell) and you get it). It's not a cheat, it's unlockable addition to powerset.
Kain and Raziel also obtain their abilities during the game, so crying "cheat" is childish and means just making fools out of yourself.
Girls should be actually removed (or given cheerleader outfit and send to watch the fight from some safe location).

And now I explain you flaws in your scenario. First of all, since there's no devil trigger limitation (which is gameplay restriction and on harder levels of the game you can get unlimited DT, and you seem to ignore those for Kain), there would be no "DT wearing off" scenario you seem to pray on.
Secondly, both Sparda brothers and their father actually can fly. Whereas Kain's only trump card is his combat teleportation (something both Dante and Vergil can do just as easily).
Thirdly, everyone in Sparda family is resistant to soul suck\soul manipulations. They can stay active and fighting for about 10-15 minutes with their souls being sucked out of their bodies during that time. So even if Kain stabs one of them with Soul Reaver, he just makes it easy for them to disarm him.
Your fourth mistake is overestimation of the reavers' abilities. Almost any Reaver can be countered by particular Devil Arm or power. The only one that doesn't have any counterpart seems to be Earth Reaver, but it's TOTALLY useless against airborne opponents.
Then telekinesis. If Kain or Raziel get lucky to held Dante in the air with help of it (it would be difficult to aim for them, though, since Sparda family members possess greater combat speed), Dante can activate his Doppelganger power and use his completely invulnerable shadow clone to beat Kain up, ruining his concentration (though because of Light Reaver, safer way would be just use his combat teleportation (Air Trick) to slip out of TK grip.

none of the brothers show teleportation....ive played DMC 1-3 to the end and ive not seen them teleport once, air trick and trickster abilities is not true teleportation, Kain can teleport great distances wheras the brothers air trick is very limited and only allows short distance movements.

also disarming Kain is usless, the brothers would only end up getting killed by the reaver, the reaver does not work on kain, it is a soul AND blood draining weapon, so even if the brothers do have the power to survive this at all which i have seen no evidence of in the games..where are you getting this 15 minutes of soul immunity from?...regardless of wether i belive you on this since i havnt played it for a long time id like you to show me where they have any kind of resitence and especially immunity to having their souls completly shattered, not drained as well as ripped from their bodies.

on a side note, even if they do have this so called 15 mins immunity and supposing kain doesnt simply drain the whole team dry of blood with blood gout and they die instantly from that. What makes you think they could defeat Kain in 15 mins, he still has other reaver abilities, your underestimating the time and dimension reavers since with time he can basically freeze time as well as speed himself up to counter them, he can turn his body into mist form and theyll hit nothing but air as well as its also a point Kain may actually be faster than the brothers. The Dimension power of the reaver can also allow kain instant teleportation instantly to up to 4 enemies and hit them with warp energy powered hits which could effectively slice the brothers in half or cause tremendous damage. Kain can also go Immaterial/ethereal and using a combination of teleport and his floating can almost fly.

now onto Kains TK. he could simply stick the brothers or one of them in place, Raziel to do the same to the other using his chains of telekeneisis and they wouldnt be able to move, not even use their weapons, at the same time kain could use a kind of darth vader style choking move with TK or even remove their weapons from them before cutting them down. Kain could solo all of these DMC characters using a combination of all his moves, without TK he can use incapacitate which is a magic spell, combine that with TK chains and he can freeze both brothers by himself and then battle mundus and sparda

nero angelo was teleporting long distances in dmc1 but i guess you missed that.

it's too bad by the time kain thinks of doing anything. he'll already but cut into pieces.

Originally posted by Burning thought
none of the brothers show teleportation....ive played DMC 1-3 to the end and ive not seen them teleport once, air trick and trickster abilities is not true teleportation, Kain can teleport great distances wheras the brothers air trick is very limited and only allows short distance movements.

also disarming Kain is usless, the brothers would only end up getting killed by the reaver, the reaver does not work on kain, it is a soul AND blood draining weapon, so even if the brothers do have the power to survive this at all which i have seen no evidence of in the games..where are you getting this 15 minutes of soul immunity from?...regardless of wether i belive you on this since i havnt played it for a long time id like you to show me where they have any kind of resitence and especially immunity to having their souls completly shattered, not drained as well as ripped from their bodies.

on a side note, even if they do have this so called 15 mins immunity and supposing kain doesnt simply drain the whole team dry of blood with blood gout and they die instantly from that. What makes you think they could defeat Kain in 15 mins, he still has other reaver abilities, your underestimating the time and dimension reavers since with time he can basically freeze time as well as speed himself up to counter them, he can turn his body into mist form and theyll hit nothing but air as well as its also a point Kain may actually be faster than the brothers. The Dimension power of the reaver can also allow kain instant teleportation instantly to up to 4 enemies and hit them with warp energy powered hits which could effectively slice the brothers in half or cause tremendous damage. Kain can also go Immaterial/ethereal and using a combination of teleport and his floating can almost fly.

now onto Kains TK. he could simply stick the brothers or one of them in place, Raziel to do the same to the other using his chains of telekeneisis and they wouldnt be able to move, not even use their weapons, at the same time kain could use a kind of darth vader style choking move with TK or even remove their weapons from them before cutting them down. Kain could solo all of these DMC characters using a combination of all his moves, without TK he can use incapacitate which is a magic spell, combine that with TK chains and he can freeze both brothers by himself and then battle mundus and sparda

Don't you know!? Kain= Most powerful video game character ever. He can solo universes, simply because he's "immortal".

Originally posted by Burning thought
none of the brothers show teleportation....ive played DMC 1-3 to the end and ive not seen them teleport once, air trick and trickster abilities is not true teleportation, Kain can teleport great distances wheras the brothers air trick is very limited and only allows short distance movements.

also disarming Kain is usless, the brothers would only end up getting killed by the reaver, the reaver does not work on kain, it is a soul AND blood draining weapon, so even if the brothers do have the power to survive this at all which i have seen no evidence of in the games..where are you getting this 15 minutes of soul immunity from?...regardless of wether i belive you on this since i havnt played it for a long time id like you to show me where they have any kind of resitence and especially immunity to having their souls completly shattered, not drained as well as ripped from their bodies.

on a side note, even if they do have this so called 15 mins immunity and supposing kain doesnt simply drain the whole team dry of blood with blood gout and they die instantly from that. What makes you think they could defeat Kain in 15 mins, he still has other reaver abilities, your underestimating the time and dimension reavers since with time he can basically freeze time as well as speed himself up to counter them, he can turn his body into mist form and theyll hit nothing but air as well as its also a point Kain may actually be faster than the brothers. The Dimension power of the reaver can also allow kain instant teleportation instantly to up to 4 enemies and hit them with warp energy powered hits which could effectively slice the brothers in half or cause tremendous damage. Kain can also go Immaterial/ethereal and using a combination of teleport and his floating can almost fly.

now onto Kains TK. he could simply stick the brothers or one of them in place, Raziel to do the same to the other using his chains of telekeneisis and they wouldnt be able to move, not even use their weapons, at the same time kain could use a kind of darth vader style choking move with TK or even remove their weapons from them before cutting them down. Kain could solo all of these DMC characters using a combination of all his moves, without TK he can use incapacitate which is a magic spell, combine that with TK chains and he can freeze both brothers by himself and then battle mundus and sparda

Originally posted by lightness
nero angelo was teleporting long distances in dmc1 but i guess you missed that.

it's too bad by the time kain thinks of doing anything. he'll already but cut into pieces.

yeh then reform...and again and again...etc etc

also what makes you think before he can do anything? nero isnt that fast, not compared to Kain who can move as a blur

Originally posted by Estacado
Vergil can teleport.....
Soul suck immunity is from DMC3 guess you have to play it again.....
Dante still has doppel ganger and quicksilver also has trickester with which he could block the reaver's attack.
Vergil could impale Kain with his "tk swords".
Oh and Kain's speed isn't impressive at all since he fight Sarafan's most of the time...

because he fights sarafans his speed isnt impressive.......the hidden logic behind this must be pretty deep

double post

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh then reform...and again and again...etc etc

also what makes you think before he can do anything? nero isnt that fast, not compared to Kain who can move as a blur

because he fights sarafans his speed isnt impressive.......the hidden logic behind this must be pretty deep

Originally posted by Estacado
Show me a speed feet from Kain which is comparable to dodging or cuting bullets half in mid air....

i cannot because kain doesnt do that thing, his speed is reflected in the fact his arms and sword move like a blur when he fights and he can burst into a mist form and move almost instantly. Thing is why would kain want to cut a bullet. Also Dodging bullets are not much of a feat unless its at point blank range from a machine gun or such. But moving as a blur and moving at the speed of a mist is more than enough to keep up with the twins.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i cannot because kain doesnt do that thing, his speed is reflected in the fact his arms and sword move like a blur when he fights and he can burst into a mist form and move almost instantly. Thing is why would kain want to cut a bullet. Also Dodging bullets are not much of a feat unless its at point blank range from a machine gun or such. But moving as a blur and moving at the speed of a mist is more than enough to keep up with the twins.

the sparda brothers showed blur speed in dmc1, with much more refined technique and skill. dmc3 made them teleport speed and faster than bullet speed. much more impressive than a mere blur speed.

and dante was dodging machine guns at point blank incase you forgot. he also shot some bullets out of the air.

time stop doesn't even work against nero angelo in his most powerful form.

Originally posted by Estacado
That's all you got?
He can move blurry so he is fast enough to keep up with Dante and Vergil?haermm

can you move as a blur?...moving as a blur is quick when his wielding a two handed weapon and can move it incredibly fast.....and no that wasnt all i said was it, he can move like the wind when he goes into mist form, that can be fast, what makes you think the brothers can do that all the time, the slow enemies they battle against can cause them problems unless you think they can all move at bullet speed

secondly...no matter how fast a thousand machine guns fire...they cannot break the armor of an abrams tank

Originally posted by Burning thought
can you move as a blur?...moving as a blur is quick when his wielding a two handed weapon and can move it incredibly fast.....and no that wasnt all i said was it, he can move like the wind when he goes into mist form, that can be fast, what makes you think the brothers can do that all the time, the slow enemies they battle against can cause them problems unless you think they can all move at bullet speed

secondly...no matter how fast a thousand machine guns fire...they cannot break the armor of an abrams tank

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Don't you know!? Kain= Most powerful video game character ever. He can solo universes, simply because he's "immortal".

I hate when game designers do that.

Originally posted by Last Fre3lancer
I hate when game designers do that.

OK.

the video doesnt show bullet stopping speed, the one where Virgil can spin his swords stopping bullets is a good one

heres a few of Kain
shows that he can move just as fast or faster than Virgil in parts of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg_DVWDN6gQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y75dFzHoclk&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-B-hdSG6A&mode=related&search=

and heres a pretty cool anime version, okie its not canon but its quite funny and i had to add it, besides its moves are very accurate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wde04B7Xh1E&mode=related&search=

Originally posted by Burning thought
the video doesnt show bullet stopping speed, the one where Virgil can spin his swords stopping bullets is a good one

heres a few of Kain
shows that he can move just as fast or faster than Virgil in parts of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg_DVWDN6gQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y75dFzHoclk&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-B-hdSG6A&mode=related&search=

and heres a pretty cool anime version, okie its not canon but its quite funny and i had to add it, besides its moves are very accurate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wde04B7Xh1E&mode=related&search=