DMC(Heroes/Villains)Vs Nosgoth

"All the vampire lords" are toys for Mundus and Sparda senior and nothing more. Let's let Mundus deal with them (he should succeed in such rather simple job) and concentrate on Sparda brothers and their great father vs Kain and Raziel.
First of all, Dante and Vergil's combat speed is supersonic. To perform his Sky Star evasive move, as well as the whole "anti-rain dome" created with sword, Dante should move at something like pre-isotope E Quicksilver speed (Max 3 or even more). Swinging swords with blurry afterimage isn't that impressive comparing to that. And mist form can't go quicker than the fastest wind, so Kain's best bet in terms of evasion is beaten. That's even without any speedups provided by Quickheart. I doubt he even would be able to react on anything on those speeds...and it also makes us think that Dante would be able to activate Quicksilver before Kain does the same with Time Reaver- because of superior reaction speed.

Also I wonder what happens with mist form when it comes into contact with fire (Ifrit ability, as well as Agni which is used in pair with Rudra). Logically fire and heat should cause at least some damage to the mist.

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I believe this would be close. One thing about Kain turning into mist though. Can't Mundus like, destroy the mist or something? I don't think it'll take much effort to do that...just my opinion.

Also I don't know how mist form interacts with fire or laser beams from Spiral\Nightmare-beta. Going by common logic, those things will cause Kain a lot of pain while he's in the mist form.

And yes, that's nice fight with no "soloing" from both demons and vamps side.

whats makes you think the vampire lords are toys....some of them are almost as durable as Kain, Malchiah needs to be completly vaporised and can go immaterial, ime sure it doesnt say anywhere that mundus can hit immaterial objects and Dumah has strength perhaps greater than kain physically. Rahab however is usless unless there is water nearby wheras Turel will bother all nosgoth enemies since his long reaching screeches and sonic blasts will be knocking them off their feet, if they dont take out Turel all of DMC apart from perhaps mundus will be greatly bothered by him.

the speed of thought is all Kain needs to activate his reaver, also theres nowhere that says canonwise that Devil trigger is unlimited so eventually they will run out of energy to perform quick silver not to menstion if kain simply activates time reaver with a thought and so does Dante and Vergil then they will be fighting on normal terms as if there was no time distortion effect since the effects would cancel eachother out, then we would have Raziel freezing the brothers with ice and blasting them with great winds. Also Kains mist is not used for its speed, although it can be incredibly fast its main use is to simply not get hit by opponents due to its ethereal nature, its like trying to hit air.

also dont forget TK, with but a quick arm movement the brothers could be disarmed of their weapons and then thrown to the floor or telekinetically shackled so they cannot move, even at their great speed the brothers wont be able to stop kain from issueing one arm movement, since Kain is not slow himself, considering they will be moving towards kain. Not to menstion Kain could teleport quickly a huge distance away or cast inspire hate just as they move towards him.

the best way the Nosgoth team could fight DMC team is if Kain solo the brothers while Raziel helps the Vampire lords in taking down Mundus, combined Raz and vamp lords would easily dispatch mundus who cannot move at enormous speed and whos power doesnt seem grand at all especially since Raziel has the reaver also, he could swallow Mundus' soul.

dante already got bitten by a vampire in the canon manga.

nothing would suggest kain would survive if someone cut him in 1/2

timestop doesn't work against nero angelo in his strongest form which we are including

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Originally posted by Estacado
Kain(Defiance)
Raziel(Defiance)

Originally posted by IceJaw
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So no Blood Shower spell\Implode\Tarot (even if we suggest anything like that works on members of Sparda family, because Dante and his father have encountered vampires before). As for time manipulation...it depends on who reacts first. Dante and Vergil's reaction speed\combat speed is above Kain's. Also Dante in high demonic form (Super Sparda form) and Nero Angelo are resistant to time manipulation.

Cutting into two pieces wouldn't be enough. But cutting into like 8-10 pieces and then teleporting those pieces far away from the battleground would be the good way to deal with vamp.

Kain regains all his old powers by the end of Defiance when Raziel restores kain with the purified reaver and then goes into the soul reaver, blood shower and such are still an option, regardless theres still no evidence to back up any part of the DMC team surviving blood shower, yes theyve encountered vampires but Revan nor any of the vampires have tried to suck their blood forcefully from their veins from a distance of 10 metres let alone all the blood at once, Revan is not as evolved as Kain.

also their speed when they move may be quick in battle, but theres no evidene to suggest they have quicker minds than kain, kain has incredible mind capacity, neither of the brothers have TK as impressive as kains which flows from his mind, Kain can also control the minds of enemies or greatly harm the minds of those too strong for control, although this may not work on the brothers its still an example of his sharpness, he may not fight as fast although he isnt too far from them but triggering time reaver takes but a thought.

aslo where does it say they are resistent to time powers, i must of missed where it said that. Also the time reaver effects kain, speeding him up not just affecting his enemies so if the brothers are resitent at all then kain still gains a burst of speed to even the odds. Once again its still not canon that the brothers can stay in DT or that quicksilver has unlimited usage.

also not cutting into 1000 pieces wouldnt be enough, as i said before he can reform after being dissolved and when have any of the brothers or DMC characters in this battle shown to be able to teleport other objects around, especialyl since kain when dissolved can reform so cutting him up is not going to make a diffrence to his durability. Kain can also reform through the use of mist bats, the same way he travels as a swarm of them he can also reform from them.

Teleporting objects around is within Mundus' powerset, not Dante's or Vergil's. Limited DT is gameplay restriction, which you can remove by passing the game on Heaven or Hell level (so-called "Super Dante" costume). Also we have missions in gameplay where we are granted unlimited DT (that means infinite Quicksilver or Doppelgander), for example, already mentioned Mission 12 in DMC. On normal levels DT is limited for the sake of balance.
On the other hand, we have no proof of Soul Reaver's infinite charge (no ways to unlock infinite charge other that cheat codes which we don't count for obvious reasons). Energy Banks have that awful side effect...

Also why are you calling Nevan Revan?Are you confusing her with someone else?

Soul Reaver doesn't have infinite charge unless you use cheats.....

Originally posted by lightness
dante already got bitten by a vampire in the canon manga.

nothing would suggest kain would survive if someone cut him in 1/2

Originally posted by Estacado
Soul Reaver doesn't have infinite charge unless you use cheats.....

On the other hand, we've seed ifinite DT gameplaywise after we get that "Super Dante" costume (no cheatcodes, only beating the game on hard levels) as well as in missions like mission 12 in DMC3. There's no shown DT time limit in cutscenes as well.
Both Dante and Vergil can easily cut Kain into pieces and then allow Mundus to teleport said pieces to the orbit.
Reaver can be taken as a trophy😉

Super Dante costume isnt a cheat but it is not canon either, if Dante could stay in DT canonwise then he would do it all the time and on all his enemies just for the sake of it wouldnt he, why would he bother staying normal at all those times when the power of flight or super speed would make it so much easier. Also it only takes a couple of slashes with the Reaver to charge it full, perhaps one or two combos and Kain can activate the power of the reaver also when the Reaver becomes the Soul reaver it has infinite charge as we see in Soul reaver and if you load up a save game in Defiance at the end when youve already beaten elder god you end up at the nearest checkpoint with the Soul reaver and it doesnt lose charge.

and no sorry i meant Nevan, as i said not played DMC 3 for like a year, started it up this morning tho so ill run it through to see if there is a chance for the lads to take kain

also who says theres an orbit, the battleground has not even been said has it? or have i missed something, regardless teleporting them to orbit will do nothing, kain will simply reform, kain in the games reforms at checkpoints but its logical to assume since their gameplay he would reform anywhere he pleases since checkpoints are not real. Also when does Mundus teleport something...all the attacks i remember is a series of diffrent laser attacks and a fiery dragon he summons in the first part and then you battle him while flying.

also yeh good going, try taking the reaver then have your soul ripped from you, the soul reaver is not merely a sword, its basically Raziel in mind and spirit and although it doesnt drain kain due to them being allies it would tear out anyone elses soul who touches it or would keep them away long enough for kain to reclaim his weapon.

another interested point is that what is the characters mindset in this battle? do they know who eachother are, for example you said Kain would not know guns and bullets which is true, so the brothers would not know who kain or his powers are not to menstion his TK powers. Knowing dante he would be cocky and neither of the brothers unsheathe their swords until they think theres a real threat or to threaten wheras Kain can use Tk and his plethora of spells with his mind and for TK hand movements, unless the rules of the fight say they already know eachother kain will imediatley have the upper hand because he has some powers at his finger tips that could stop the boys on the go as well as he can read minds that he gains from Marcus in Blood omen 2 so he will be able ot read the boys before they realise hes a threat and activate his time powers.

What makes you think Dante & Vergil's reaction speed is faster than Kain's? because they fight at faster speeds?

Nah. What you need to prove in this kind of scenario is who has the faster mind. Who will think the move first. Etc.

So unless Kain or Dante or Vergil have shown some sort of ability to multitask at super speed with only their brain then yes...I'd agree.

But as far as I see they will both be freezing time and fight normally.

A good exmaple of how someone can think at high levels of speed is how Superman is shown to read/analize a thousand mathematical equations in less then a second.

well the only consideration that i can think of at this time that would point to kain being faster would simply be his thousands of years of experiance as well as draining the essence of several fairly ancient vampires including one who had a great mind, having a brain thousands of years old as well as using knowledge to try and twist his fate across various time streams and taking into consideration every part is no small feat

but i would have to look into this, but your right, jsut because someone fights fast doesnt mean they will react faster

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
What makes you think Dante & Vergil's reaction speed is faster than Kain's? because they fight at faster speeds?

Nah. What you need to prove in this kind of scenario is who has the faster mind. Who will think the move first. Etc.

So unless Kain or Dante or Vergil have shown some sort of ability to multitask at super speed with only their brain then yes...I'd agree.

But as far as I see they will both be freezing time and fight normally.

A good exmaple of how someone can think at high levels of speed is how Superman is shown to read/analize a thousand mathematical equations in less then a second.

not neceserily, reaction time maybe but fast thinking? no, if the brothers move as fast as you think they do then they dont have to think as quickly not to menstion since theyve been fighting a lot if not all of their lives things like that would become second nature to them as well as instinct. It does not prove their minds are sharp enough to activate anything before kain, still as i said before its unlikely they will imediatley activate DT when they see kain who to them probably looks pretty week comapred to other things they faced

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dante has teleported things before and seal them. if you remember jackpot