DMC(Heroes/Villains)Vs Nosgoth

The Soul Reaver Kain wields at the end of Defiance has the benefit of the Balance Emblem added to it before Raziel merges with it. I don't believe that originally happened as Kain was supposed to be dead at this point.

Also when Raziel got the Spirit Reaver, it "purified" the blade and Kain.

Thus, the Soul Reaver Kain wields is the "Purified" Soul Reaver.

In Blood Omen, the blade was chaotic and Raziel's spirit, which had been trapped in it for centuries, had gone completely mad.

The Soul Reaver William wielded came from somewhere...some place in time no one is quite sure of. All the time screwery in the games makes it confusing how the blade got where it did because things and timelines and events are constantly shifting around. Everything in Blood Omen 2 never happened. Same for Defiance. The "original" timeline was something else entirely.

i wish they would make another game or at least sum the story up in another way like a book or story if they cannot aford the game, all the ideas and script on the story excist so why cant they jsut release it if their not going to mkae another game

i mean it says that mobius brings William some items from the future, probably the reaver, but theres no way willium can wield the soul reaver, not as a human, william probably had either the nexus stone or an artifact or the reaver he had was mad/weakened but the purified weapon kain wields in defiance is not the same for sure. atm ime reading through Q/A with the developers to see if they answer thingsl ike this but so far no luck.

Originally posted by Estacado
WTF???
You really over rate Sarafan Lord also they can easily send back raziel to the spectal realm janos/Hylden has oneshoted him with ease.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i wish they would make another game or at least sum the story up in another way like a book or story if they cannot aford the game, all the ideas and script on the story excist so why cant they jsut release it if their not going to mkae another game

i mean it says that mobius brings William some items from the future, probably the reaver, but theres no way willium can wield the soul reaver, not as a human, william probably had either the nexus stone or an artifact or the reaver he had was mad/weakened but the purified weapon kain wields in defiance is not the same for sure. atm ime reading through Q/A with the developers to see if they answer thingsl ike this but so far no luck.

Originally posted by Estacado
That's all you got?
He can move blurry so he is fast enough to keep up with Dante and Vergil?haermm

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Sealing him in hell is really good idea. He deserves that...there, in hell, he can be immortal for as long as he wishes-nobody would care🙂

Originally posted by Estacado
😆 😆 😆 😆
OMG What a fanboy!!!!!
Also if you have noticed time slowed down around Vergil when he fought those creatures that means he was moving much more fast we just saw things from his point of view....

Oh you mean that crappy fight with the dimension power?
Seems like you never played DMC 3 SE if you think Kain is faster then Vergil.

Kain is a warlord, not a warrior. He's good strategist, but has never shown anything that uber in terms of actual combat. Look at his combos in Defiance- pathetic slashing with sword and nothing graceful or skillful. Nothing "unreal" about it. Soul Reaver is a powerful weapon, but that's power of sword, not swordsman.
Those four moves with sword, which are nothing that Dante or his brother or their father can't do better.

And stop overrating Sarafans. They are just humans with some mystical abilities, but still humans in terms of everything except using some spells and encharmed weapons.
Dante fases much more serious competition...Kain's better as a warlord, not as a warrior.

Kain is a warlord, not a warrior. He's good strategist, but has never shown anything that uber in terms of actual combat. Look at his combos in Defiance- pathetic slashing with sword and nothing graceful or skillful. Nothing "unreal" about it. Soul Reaver is a powerful weapon, but that's power of sword, not swordsman.
Those four moves with sword, which are no

Kain has his own Dark Gifts like teleportation and Mist. Plus he showed some sort of energy blast in the beginning of SR2 which retold the ending of SR1.

And stop overrating Sarafans. They are just humans with some mystical abilities, but still humans in terms of everything except using some spells and encharmed weapons.
Dante fases much more serious competition...Kain's better as a warlord, not as a warrior.

Kain has fought many demons and supernatural being sin his time.

Wading through demon-filled Avernus or the abominations of Dark Eden was not a walk in the park.

Also he took on spectral guards and monsters in BO2.

He might not be the best warrior ever but he's a competent enough fighter with a variety of powers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
nosgoth crushes them. the sarafanlord is someone not to be taken lightly. kain is unreal in combat abilities and toughness. while raziel will take some souls here and there. all u need is kain,sarafanlord, and raziel. this trio would layeth the beatdown of all beatdowns on dante and his pals.

Kain has a lot of abilities, but he use all of them in the way which is not creative and easy to predict.

As for combat teleportation...both Dante and Vergil posess the same ability.

Originally posted by Estacado
Dante or Vergil would kill the Sarafan Lord in less then 5 minutes.Also the fighting system/combos of LOK compared to DMC is pathetic.

I've already stated that Kain fanboys overrate that simple "fighting style" Kain uses as hell. He has great sword, but fights with it in such a moronic way...just 4 simple moves. The blurry afterimage of a sword means nothing in terms of skills.
He didn't do anything in terms of swordfighting that Dante or Vergil can't do better and mor creative

its because its all gameplay, sure their his moves but that doesnt mean thats all he can do with his sword is it, and what moves do Dante and Vergil show thats so impressive anyway?...stinger...simply lunging forward..no skill at all...what other ones...hmmm, nope not many are there, drive is simply slashing upwards all the rest of the time their only countering eachothers moves when they hit their weapons together, the boys dont show that many great of swordsmanship. Blurry sword aftermath is a show of speed, when he swings his two hander it always blurs because its moving extremely quickly, the boys never do anything like that, the most they do is create that bubble that stops the rain for a few seconds when they clash swords.

Sarafan lord down in 5 minutes? rofl......

also the Sarafan are no pushovers, yes their human but they wield glyth energy which is created to be extremely potent against vampires as well as their armour being enchanted powerfully....their far greater than the things dante has to fight, possesed maronettes?, pathetic slow sand demons that get trashed by snooker balls as well as a Fan falling on them, the only things dante fights worthy at all is perhaps the bosses

also since completing the game yesterday ive seen that Time control is either not in Dantes power constantly or is extremely limited as well as Dantes resistence to soul stealing is miniscule and gets severely weakened from that object jsut by holding it, hes not going to last long if the reaver gets stuck in him. Most of the combat in DMC is very flashy and i agree the combos beat LOK defiance easily, the style is far more fun to play but they do not fight much greater than an enchanced human or a normal vampire like Sebastion in BO 2, their moves although some are quick especialyl Vergil would not be enough to overwhelm kain to an extent he cannot fight back.

Kain can still solo this alone, their blades would bounce off of him as he triggers inspire hate then teleport behind Dante and impale him while in this maddened rage to kill his brother killing him or decapitating him and then sticking the blade in him to restore its power, then Vergil will instantly flash forwards and do his yamato..his sword stops on kains chest who freeze him in TK shackles then impales/decapitates vergil, then thats the brothers dead and kain has fully powered reaver to destroy the rest of his enemies, Mundus would be easy meat, the thing is so slow its unbelivable and its powers are nothing too impressive, Mundus would fall to a combination of Raziel and Kains reaver spells.

Kain could trigger his dimension reaver and take both of the brothers with dmension enhanced slashes through their boddies cleaving them in two and then feed the reaver on their souls to restore it and continue to soul blast his next enemy.

How about Sparda uses that huge ass dragon from DMC 1 to trash Kain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayn7r0JD4eg

it would not kill him, even if it disintegrated him he would reform, not to menstion that dragon took some charging up to cast, also its not that fast. Kain could teleport directly behind sparder as he casts it and imapale him, it takes a few seconds to fire the thing. Kain could also TK shackle him so he cannot cast anything.

Originally posted by Burning thought
it would not kill him, even if it disintegrated him he would reform, not to menstion that dragon took some charging up to cast, also its not that fast. Kain could teleport directly behind sparder as he casts it and imapale him, it takes a few seconds to fire the thing. Kain could also TK shackle him so he cannot cast anything.

I think I'm gonna ask Lana to close this thread your level of fanboyism is so ridicolous it's unbelievable.

Or Dante taking his high demonic form (Super Sparda form) to help his dad in doing that?

Also the thing is that marble snooker balls most probably weren't regular ones since they jusr speeded up from shot instead of breaking into pieces.
Of course, Dante charges his guns with demonic energy so he can regulate the strength of shots, but still... also that's a creative usage of environment. Snooker balls, fan, bike- Dante is creative and follows the ancient Chinese idea that everything can be weapon in hands of true warrior. When did Kain used anything creative when fighting anyone? I haven't seen that neither in gameplay nor in cutscenes in all LoK games.
Also the thing with snooker balls and fan shows Dante's extreme accuracy and quick thinking in combat- nothing of that improvised weaponry missed its targets.

And Sarafans were just regular human warriors- only equipped with magic against vampires. A regular human with a teakwood dagger (or against LoKverse vampires- water pistol) can kill a vampire with some training and luck- that doesn't make him godlike or what.
Also antivampire magic is good only against vampires, not against demons, I think.

Originally posted by Estacado
Off course I forgot nothing can Ko Kain..haermm
This is so ****ing ridiculous the Sarafan Lord Ko'd him for 250 years Raziel easily Ko'd him with a TK blast.Yet in your opinion he is completely invulnerable nothing can hurt him and he can solo all of the DMC team with ease.

I think I'm gonna ask Lana to close this thread your level of fanboyism is so ridicolous it's unbelievable.

when he battled sarafan lord he was young vampire not elder vampire, and play Defiance again, he was Koed for about an hour after having his heart torn out as an elder vampire and then Raziel cast a Tk blast of such power it broke a hole through dimensions into the Demon world...as said by either Amy or Chris creators of Kain.....

since Kain now has no heart nor do any of the brothers have the power to smash someone through dimensions its because of you this thread should be closed, at least Debel is coming up with good ideas and arguments however you... 🙄

i think the magic affects demons also, in Blood omen 2 Demons cannot pass through the magic barriers

they were not regular, they were trained soldiers powered by hylden magic who were like dark gods much like Kain, although not as powerful as kain, the Hylden released the demons into the world. Kain fights many demons in his time as well, however Sarafan knight>>>Sand demon, regardless of dantes creativeness at knokcing a fan down a sarafan knight would not be smashed on the floor by a falling fan 😂 and Kain battled Sarafan knights whe he was young kain not Elder, canon speaking Kain doesnt really fight Sarafan much in Defiance, none of them can harm him and he cna destroy them with ease, throwing them around like playthings.

What are you talking about???
Broke through a dimension?????haermm
That was the same portal Raziel used to enter the other dimension to find the "Unspoken" you idiot.