DMC(Heroes/Villains)Vs Nosgoth

Kain has mystical aura which is pretty powerful considering his magic potential. It would be quite hard for them to confuse him with regular human- even amine and Dreamvave comics version of Dante was able to see vampires in human disguice. And going by enormous Kain's mystical power, he'd seem like a powerful adversary to them and not harmless by any means.

Aside from hand to hand combat, Dante is incredibly skilled with a variety of melee weapons such as the broadsword, katana, nunchaku, and dual scimitars, among many others. It is unknown if Dante actually received traditional training on these weapons, in which case his superhuman abilities and natural knack for battle would have allowed him to master each one at a much faster rate than normal; or if his demon lineage can somehow allow Dante to instantly master any weapon he comes across and use it to its full extent with no prior experience.

That's just a version- regarding high speed of perceiving information to which your examples are related directly (that's sort of Superman learning T-Vo in a couple of nights). Anyways, their reaction speed is superhuman and it's proven by example with bullets etc. Faster reaction speed probably means faster speed of thought. I can't give you examples of sophisticated combat analysis (marksmanship that's better than those of human snipers who use ballistic computers is rather weak example there), but that has nothing to do with actual situation.
If anything, Kain being a spellcaster is a bit of disadvantage there- all those gestures directing the spells, TK etc. And fighting on "normal" speeds means that Kain is still slower speedwise- like final fight in one of the Prince of Persia games (I don't remember which one).

Also cutting a missle in a half in midair with perfect accuracy without making it explode requires superhuman reaction speed.

Hell yeah it does.

Sniping mastery also requires some nasty calculations to be done (I'm a desent biathlonist myself and know that well)- you should take things like wind, your target's movement etc into account...good sniper's mind makes all those calculations without any computer. So far Dante has shown perfect accuracy with all his firearms etc. Though the fighting practice as far as aiming etc goes for experienced fighter is on instinct-level, and that's also true for experienced gunslingers...they don't think HOW they are going to perform this or that move.

Also Dante is known for his ability to improvise, he doesn't just learned a couple of things and just performs them on superhuman speed without thinking like trained animal...he is smart and creative fighter. And on the top of that he still jokes etc when fighting no matter on which speed.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Sniping mastery also requires some nasty calculations to be done (I'm a desent biathlonist myself and know that well)- you should take things like wind, your target's movement etc into account...good sniper's mind makes all those calculations without any computer. So far Dante has shown perfect accuracy with all his firearms etc.

Also Dante is known for his ability to improvise, he doesn't just learned a couple of things and just performs them on superhuman speed without thinking like trained animal...he is smart and creative fighter. And on the top of that he still jokes etc when fighting no matter on which speed.

Being skilled fighter and gunslinger, Dante doesn't think HOW he will perform this or that particular move- that's on reflexes level so far. But he doesn't just perform learned moves without thinking- he's creative and smart fighter.
Performing moves itself is not an example of multitasking, since it's reflex-based. But inventing creative combat strategy on the move and fighting in a smart way while still being able to crack jokes, mock your enemies (that's not home-made preparations) etc is.

it does but it still doesnt show a sharpness of mind that predetermines events correctly through several time streams to change his destiny, also Kain still doesnt move at normal speed, hes incredibly fast and even if the brothers are faster which is not by much now that ime playing the game myself as we speak. Also spells dont require gestures, Kain "can" aim his reaver spells if he wants to but its not required since he just activates the sword and their Area of affect based anyway apart from lightning, the only thing that needs gestures is his TK, but thats only a quick arm movement, as soon as its activated the brothers are under his TK powers, in one arm movement kain could freeze them both in TK shackles.

Also DT still does run out, canonwise neither brother can constantly use DT, Quicksilver as well as other things otherwise they would do so but obviously it is either limited to their own energy reserves or the opponents they fight, perhaps quicksilver canonwise does not work against strong willed enemies like Vergil in which case it would not work on Kain, however thats just a suggestion and cannot be proven, but the fact DT is not unlimited is proven since it can only be unlimited when you unlock costumes and such wheras kains reaver is unlimited when it becomes the soul reaver as we see in the soul reaver game and in-game at the end of defiance, when you fight kain in soul reaver his reaver powers never run out.

in the end the brothers will not be able to stop kain simply because even if Kain is not as fast as them (which i doubt but still) then his durability will outlast their powers, as they are trying to cut him hell be constantly going into mist, reforming..Kain reforms when he gets wounded instantly, although i doubt the brothers would be able to cut through Kain easily in the first place, even if they could, they wouldnt be able to cut him into ten while hes constantly reforming after every arm and turning into mist, eventually their DT, quicksilver will run dry and Kain will activate all his reaver powers and destroy them or blast their souls. Also i may have failed to menstion it so far, but its said in the game itself that soul reaver is the only thing that can harm kain, including Raziel himself who is the soul reaver also, so the brothers wont be able to break kains body with their weapons, another plot device is that Raziel becomes Kains own sword and they become allies, breaking the plot and making kain literally invincible so the brothers cannot actually win unles they somehow knock him out, which is unlikely.
Another good example of kains durability is that the Elder God itself who has an unlimited number of lorry sized tentacles each the strength to smash through tonnes of rock like paper and launches huge balls of energy from its large eyes admits that it can never kill Kain or Raziel, this thing thinks itself as a God and all powerful and admits this speaks volumes of kain and raziels durabiity..not to menstion the unlikelyness that theyll be able to knock him out if that thing cant..its only threat was to bury kain alive under the citadel which also failed since kain just teleports.

i still doubt many things such as the brothers being able to resist soul death and soul blast spells since they dont suck souls, they destroy them but ime playing through DMC 3 now so ill soon find out myself.

(also on DMC 3 what would you suggest the best style to beat agni and rudra the fastest is?, at the moment ime only level 2 swordsman and have only one health upgrade and no other items except large vial star)

Super Dante costume isnt a cheat but it is not canon either, if Dante could stay in DT canonwise then he would do it all the time and on all his enemies just for the sake of it wouldnt he, why would he bother staying normal at all those times when the power of flight or super speed would make it so much easier. Also it only takes a couple of slashes with the Reaver to charge it full, perhaps one or two combos and Kain can activate the power of the reaver also when the Reaver becomes the Soul reaver it has infinite charge as we see in Soul reaver and if you load up a save game in Defiance at the end when youve already beaten elder god you end up at the nearest checkpoint with the Soul reaver and it doesnt lose charge.

Limits on DT is gameplay restriction. Vergil stayed in demon form as Nero Angelo almost constantly. In DMC3 in mission 12 you're also allowed to stay in DT for unlimited period of time (though it's limited by the fact that your soul and life energy is sucked out of you during the mission and you're only able to survive for 15 minutes).
Why Dante doesn't always fight enemies in his demon form? Because it's a bit OOC to him, knowing his attitude towards demons. It isn't "proper revenge" to kill demons while you're in demonic form yourself. But he takes it when it's needed, and he enjoys fighting in his human form, taking the best of his human side- it's more of a moral restriction that something other... It's like Sara Pezzini not using Witchblade powers and armour to fight off regular criminals.

And as for style... the best one is Royal Guard. Weapons- Rebellion and Ebony&Ivory. Keep Agnii and Rudra as far away from each other as you can.

Oddly, in arguably the best game of series (DMC3) we see rookie 19years old Dante- who's still great and powerful despite his young age.

And the most powerful Dante storylinewise is the one who depicted in DMC2 and Nocturne (the last one is related to DMC2, but not directly belong to DMC canon- but there's the same version of Dante which is depicted in DMC2) which are the most uninteresting games featuring our whitehaired handsome devil hunter.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Limits on DT is gameplay restriction. Vergil stayed in demon form as Nero Angelo almost constantly. In DMC3 in mission 12 you're also allowed to stay in DT for unlimited period of time (though it's limited by the fact that your soul and life energy is sucked out of you during the mission and you're only able to survive for 15 minutes).
Why Dante doesn't always fight enemies in his demon form? Because it's a bit OOC to him, knowing his attitude towards demons. It isn't "proper revenge" to kill demons while you're in demonic form yourself. But he takes it when it's needed, and he enjoys fighting in his human form, taking the best of his human side- it's more of a moral restriction that something other... It's like Sara Pezzini not using Witchblade powers and armour to fight off regular criminals.

And as for style... the best one is Royal Guard. Weapons- Rebellion and Ebony&Ivory. Keep Agnii and Rudra as far away from each other as you can.

Nero Angelo does not seem a true demon form, not to menstion its influenced by Mundus, poor vergil gets almost completly taken by mundus and in mission 12 would not be a good idea if your soul and life is being ripped from you lol

hmm yes royal guard, ill have to try that then, swordmen i find is a fast and interesting style but it lacks in some cases.

and yes DMC 2 was a little low in story, i dont really like the more modern-futuristic approach, things like demon tanks and a lot of laser using enemies, doesnt feel right, i prefer DMC 1 and 3 for its gothic approach..not to menstion DMC 3 has some cool bosses indeed, even the 3 headed dog in the beginning is a cool fight.

ty for tips, what would you say is the most difficult boss fight?

And by the way, you diidn't answer to my question- how does Kain's mist form react on fire or heat? Because logically Kain as a mist should be in world of hurt while damaged by fire-related stuff (for example, trapped into heat vortex created with Agni&Rudra) or when laser beam comes through it (Artemis or Nightmare-beta).
Trapped into fiery vortex, Kain should have to take his material form which leaves him open for "continuation".

The most interesting ones are with Nevan and Vergil, IMHO. The easiest boss to kill is Lady.
Royalguard is ideal style for blocking any enemy attacks. By the way, it's really useful and will most probably help to parry even slashes with Soul Reaver😉

Limits on DT is a gameplay restriction, anyways, because of reasons said above (gameplaywise unlimited DT is given to you only in one mission, where the soul suck resist is shown, to keep the balance).

Quicksilver isn't related to will, but strongest demons are able to counter it, probably (Dante in Sparda form was able to counter and deflect most of Mundus' magic during their fight in outer space). Also during the said battle Dante showed the ability to stay in high demonic form (Sparda form) for as long as it's necessary- though gameplaywise without unlockable costumes DT would be limited due to balance issues- the same reason because of which Soul Reaver needs to be charged in actual gameplay in LoK games.

why, kain in mist form is no less durable than normal kain, its not just mist, its kain as mist..also mist doesnt burn does it..infact mist has been known to put out fires because the air is less dense or more dense in mist so fires are unlikely to harm it

i still doubt infnite DT or at least infinite quicksilver is likely, sure its gameplay balance but logically speaking you never see Dante staying in DT for a very long amount of time apart from in sparda Dante form which he stays in it until he beat mundus

aslo what do you mean leaves him open for continuation?

I mean that if Kain materialises, there's problem. Normal mist is water particles suspended in the air.
Actually if we talk about mist, laser beams are known to disintegrate particles of mist in their way (that's why mist is a good way to shield someone against lasers), so performing Spiral's Acid Rain attack would certainly damage Kain's mist form.

Acid Rain - Shoots multiple laser beams into the air which come raining down on enemies.

That thing passing through Kain's mist form would certainly be harmful to him.

not necesserily, its still kain, also his mist form can move like the wind, its unlikely the nightmare gun will even hit him since its not the fastest of weapons. Regardless of what form kain takes, its still kain, its not normal mist, its kain as mist..so still his only vulerability is the reaver, even if he takes on werewolf form or becomes immaterial its still kain just like mist form.

As I've already said there's moral reasons for Dante staying in his human form and using demonic one only when it's necessary. He enjoys being in human form and fighting in it. He takes demonic form only when it's needed (but can stay in it as long as needed) because he doesn't want to accotiate himself with those who killed his mom.
Not to mention eating strawberry ice-cream and pizza is lot less fun in demon form, given those fangs etc.

Immortal doesn't mean unkillable. If he's cut into a pieces and then Mundus teleports those pieces into deep space, it would be BFR victory of some sort.

yes but theres no reason for him not constantly keeping time powers on if he was capable, or no reason for not keeping DT constantly active when fighting his brother or his other enemies, theres so many enemies where he shows he cannot constantly have it active, otherwise he would be able do beat them all with ease unless things that have a fair amount of power cna resist time control in which case no reason kain would not be able to taking into that logic, its certainly a viable suggestion that he cannot DT constantly, it must take a lot of effort to keep a himself in that form or something, smae with time powers maybe it physicall fatigues him if he does it for too long.

It's not about easiness. Dante really enjoys fighting in human form and if he feels he can manage that in human form, he won't take his demonic one. His attitude to fight clearly shows that it's fun for him in fighting as human...
Anyways, he wasn't tired or anything when fought Mundus.So fatigue isn't reason...there are no reasons for Dante not fighting in demon form constantly rather than psychological ones.

Also Nightmare and Artemis are slow to shoot (lasers can't be shot like machineguns for obvious reasons- they aren't fast to shoot), but the shot itself is a laser beam which travels at light speeds or something like that. Speed of light>>>speed of wind.

Though it shots slowly (but not slow projectiles) and the aim is relatively easy to dodge (aim, not shot)- that's why I suppose using Acid Rain there- multiple laser beams coming at someone is next to impossible to dodge at the speed of wind.

lol but it wont do anything....the laser doesnt hit at the speed of light either, its not that fast, diffrent lasers have diffrent levels of speed, and this one is not as fast as the speed of light, i was using it 5 mins ago, its just not a very good weapon it seems

and if it hits so what...kain isnt going to be suddenly permanently disintergrated, the weapon isnt that strong and in mist form it will probely just condense the mist further making it even more a nuisance to the brothers, only the reaver can harm can and not even that can cut through kains mist, its not exactley normal every day mist, its like supernatural stuff

regardless kain doesnt need the mist, hell simply take the brothers punishment until he finally activates his own reaver, thats ofcourse that they do beat him to it which i still dont belive they will and then theyll be frozen or time will go back to normal as quicksilver and kains reaver cancel eachother out and then kain will have some fun with Tk, spells and reaver soul blasts, 15 minutes will pass eventually and the brothers will have their souls destroyed.