You Cannot Prove Zeus doesn't Exist

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I agree with you. Existance is there, regardless of our observation or recognition of it. 👆

However, I think the words Existance and Reality are incorrectly used interchangeably. Either that, or the term "reality" has more than one official definition.

As for the second paragraph, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Evident

Originally posted by lord xyz
I agree to the first point, I've said I agreed. Do people not listen to me?

As for the second paragraph, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Evident

I don't understand...what has the definition of evident to do with his statement.

Though his statement is odd, I don't think that people use reality and existence interchangeably, they are very different words afterall.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't understand...what has the definition of evident to do with his statement.

Though his statement is odd, I don't think that people use reality and existence interchangeably, they are very different words afterall.

Do you remember when we had that dispute in the philosophy thread regarding the Law of Attraction ?

You were saying that Reality is what it is, regardless of how we percieve it. Then I was saying that Reality is nothing more than our series of experiences, and that everyone's reality differs from everyone else's.

We were arguing the definition of reality, basically. I think the term Reality may have more than one official definition.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't understand...what has the definition of evident to do with his statement.

Though his statement is odd, I don't think that people use reality and existence interchangeably, they are very different words afterall.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exist

This is the one I meant.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Do you remember when we had that dispute in the philosophy thread regarding the Law of Attraction ?

You were saying that Reality is what it is, regardless of how we percieve it. Then I was saying that Reality is nothing more than our series of experiences, and that everyone's reality differs from everyone else's.

We were arguing the definition of reality, basically. I think the term Reality may have more than one official definition.

Well, it has multiple definitions, but the philosophical (and I think most common one) is the whole of existence independent of subjective observation.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, it has multiple definitions, but the philosophical (and I think most common one) is the whole of existence independent of subjective observation.

Yeah, I'm aware.

But you do realize that my reality differs from your own, and vise versa. Do you beleive that with our limitted senses, we can actually see Reality for what it truly and essentially is ?

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Yeah, I'm aware.

But you do realize that my reality differs from your own, and vise versa. Do you beleive that with our limitted senses, we can actually see Reality for what it truly and essentially is ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
No and that's the point. Not "your reality" and "my reality", but "your perception of reality" is what it is about. Reality is the absolute thing, what we perceive is what differs (well, philosophically).

Well, atleast we can agree that because of our limitted senses and biases, we only have the perceptions of our world to go by, and not the objective truths.

I'm confused, I understand that our senses can't identify everything, example, we can't see in the fourth dimiension, but how can we see something that doesn't exist? Not perceiving everything, I understand, perceiving falsities, I don't. Can someone explain that to me?

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm confused, I understand that our senses can't identify everything, example, we can't see in the fourth dimiension, but how can we see something that doesn't exist? Not perceiving everything, I understand, perceiving falsities, I don't. Can someone explain that to me?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, your brain can create mirages withut anything actually being there. You perceive something, even though iit's not there.

Then again, that could have not been a mirage at all, if so, I've never seen a mirage so I wouldn't know.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, the only mirage I've seen is on a hot day when the road looks wet, but my mind is smart enough to know that's not water. That might be because it disapears as I move closer to it, or because I know it wouldn't be wet on a hot day.

Then again, that could have not been a mirage at all, if so, I've never seen a mirage so I wouldn't know.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's good for you, though there are many more little examples of how our minds can be fooled. Just take it that some people see things that can't be scientifically proven. They might actually exist of course, but general consensus is that they don't.

By that I mean what people believe to be ghosts.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Oh, like ghosts?

By that I mean what people believe to be ghosts.

Well, sure, or the wind chanting some orders or, or, or.

I think I know what you mean, but I lack the ability to put that in words.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm confused, I understand that our senses can't identify everything, example, we can't see in the fourth dimiension, but how can we see something that doesn't exist? Not perceiving everything, I understand, perceiving falsities, I don't. Can someone explain that to me?

Like Bardock is suggesting, the Mind is very powerful.

And you've seen how the Mind itself can be easily brainwashed through religion or other idealogies, or even one's own self delusions.

I'm pretty sure you're familar with Hallucinations.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
take it easy boys 😆

We were taking it easy. I wasnt pissed or anything. I thought it was a pleasent debate, I just felt that it was dragging on a bit so I stopped posting.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Like Bardock is suggesting, the Mind is very powerful.

And you've seen how the Mind itself can be easily brainwashed through religion or other idealogies, or even one's own self delusions.

I'm pretty sure you're familar with Hallucinations.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes, but I've never experienced seeing, feeling, hearing something that to everyone else isn't there. But I understand that we could all be delusional and our world could be not what we perceive it to be, but how? And what are the chances?

I think theres are very good chance considering there is probably loads that we dont know.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think theres are very good chance considering there is probably loads that we dont know.