I believe everyone here fails to see that Billy Joel is #1!!!!!! Come on look at hits great hits; Piano Man, It's Still Rock and Roll, Tell Her About It, Uptown Girl, The Longest Time, Don't Ask Me Why, Captain Jack, We Didn't Start the Fire, And So It Goes, She's Got a Way, She's Always a Woman, Only the Good Die Young, and much much more.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Bring it on.
Ok, so to those rather shit "hits" you just named, since I assume we're simply talking about amount of hits (As taste is subjective.);
Stevie Nicks "Stand Back" (1983) #5 US.
Chaka Khan "I Feel for You" (1984) #3 US #1 UK.
Sheila E. "The Glamorous Life" (1984) #7 US.
The Time "The Bird" (1984) #36 US.
The Time "Jungle Love" (1984) #20 US.
Sheena Easton "Sugar Walls" (1985) #9 US.
Sheila E. "The Belle of St. Mark" (1985) #34 US #18 UK.
The Bangles "Manic Monday" (1986) #2 US (Behind "Kiss", at #1), #2 UK.
Sheila E. "A Love Bizarre" (1986) #11 US.
Art of Noise featuring Tom Jones "Kiss" (1988) #5 UK.
Sinéad O'Connor "Nothing Compares 2 U" (1990) #1 US #1 UK.
Kid Creole & The Coconuts "The Sex of It" (1990).
MC Hammer "Pray" (1990) #2 US #8 UK.
The Time "Jerk Out" (1991) #9 US.
Tevin Campbell "Round and Round" (1991) #11 US.
Martika "Love... Thy Will Be Done" (1991) #10 US #9 UK.
Martika "Martika's Kitchen" (1991) #17 UK.
Monie Love "Born 2 B.R.E.E.D." (1993) #18 UK.
Monie Love "In a Word or 2/The Power" (1993) #33 UK.
New Power Generation "Get Wild" (1995) #19 UK.
Mokenstef "He's Mine" (1995) #7 US.
New Power Generation "The Good Life" (1995) #29 UK.
New Power Generation "The Good Life" (1997) #15 UK.
Ginuwine "When Doves Cry " (1997) #10 UK.
Jordan Knight "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man" (1999) #31 US.
Alicia Keys "How Come You Don't Call Me?".
Jay-Z featuring Beyoncé "03 Bonnie & Clyde" (2003) #4 US #2 UK.
Inaya Day "Nasty Girl" (2005) #9 UK.
Those are a list of top 40 hits either written by Prince for others, hits of Prince covered by others (And then becoming hits AGAIN.), or hits that Prince has been sampled in. If that's not enough:
1978 "Soft and Wet" 92 12 - - For You
1978 "Just as Long as We're Together" - 91 - - For You
1979 "I Wanna Be Your Lover" 1 11 1 2 41 Prince
1979 "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?" - 13 - - Prince
1979 "Still Waiting" - 65 - - Prince
1979 "Sexy Dancer" 1 - - 2 - Prince
1980 "Uptown" 2 101 5 5 - Dirty Mind
1980 "Dirty Mind" 2 - 65 5 - Dirty Mind
1980 "Do It All Night" - - - - Dirty Mind
1980 "Gotta Stop (Messin' About)" - - - - -
1980 "Controversy" 3 70 3 1 - Controversy
1980 "Let's Work" 3 104 9 1 - Controversy
1981 "Do Me, Baby" - - - - Controversy
1982 "1999" 12 4 1 25 1999
1983 "Little Red Corvette" 6 15 61 54 1999
1983 "Delirious" 8 18 - - 1999
1983 "Let's Pretend We're Married" 52 55 52 - 1999
1983 "Irresistible *****" - - - - 1999
1984 "When Doves Cry" 4 1 1 1 4 Purple Rain
1984 "Let's Go Crazy" (with The Revolution) 5 1 1 1 7 Purple Rain
1984 "Purple Rain" (with The Revolution) 2 4 - 8 Purple Rain
1984 "I Would Die 4 U" (with The Revolution) 8 11 50 58 Purple Rain
1985 "1999" / "Little Red Corvette" (re-issue) - - - 2 -
1985 "Take Me With U"
(with The Revolution and Apollonia) 25 40 - 7 Purple Rain
1985 "Paisley Park" (with The Revolution) - - - 18 Around the World In a Day
1985 "Raspberry Beret" (with The Revolution) 6 2 3 4 25 Around the World In a Day
1985 "Pop Life" (with The Revolution) 7 7 8 5 60 Around the World In a Day
1985 "America" (with The Revolution) 46 35 - - Around the World In a Day
1986 "Kiss" (with The Revolution) 1 1 1 6 Parade
1986 "Mountains" (with The Revolution) 23 15 11 45 Parade
1986 "Anotherloverholenyohead"
(with The Revolution) 8 63 18 21 36 Parade
1986 "Girls & Boys" (with The Revolution) 8 - - 21 11 Parade
1987 "Sign “☮” the Times" 3 1 2 10 Sign “☮” the Times
1987 "If I Was Your Girlfriend" 67 12 - 20 Sign “☮” the Times
1987 "U Got the Look" (with Sheena Easton) 2 11 - 11 Sign “☮” the Times
1987 "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man" 9 10 14 4 29 Sign “☮” the Times
1987 "Hot Thing" 9 63 14 4 - Sign “☮” the Times
1988 "Alphabet St." 8 3 22 9 Lovesexy
1988 "Glam Slam" - 44 - 29 Lovesexy
1988 "I Wish U Heaven" - 18 - 24 Lovesexy
1988 "Kiss" (re-issue) - - - 76 -
1989 "Little Red Corvette" / "1999" (re-issue) - - - 92 -
1989 "Batdance" 1 1 1 2 Batman
1989 "Partyman" 18 5 45 14 Batman
1989 "The Arms of Orion" (with Sheena Easton) 36 - - 27 Batman
1989 "Scandalous" - 5 - - Batman
1989 "The Future" - - - - Batman
1990 "Thieves in the Temple" 6 1 9 7 Graffiti Bridge
1990 "New Power Generation" 64 27 - 26 Graffiti Bridge
1991 "Gett Off" (with The New Power Generation) 21 6 1 4 Diamonds and Pearls
1991 "Cream" (with The New Power Generation) 1 - - 15 Diamonds and Pearls
1991 "Diamonds and Pearls"
(with The New Power Generation) 3 1 - 25 Diamonds and Pearls
1992 "Money Don't Matter 2 Night"
(with The New Power Generation) 23 14 - 19 Diamonds and Pearls
1992 "Insatiable" (with The New Power Generation) 77 3 - - Diamonds and Pearls
1992 "Thunder" (with The New Power Generation) - - - 28 Diamonds and Pearls
1992 "Sexy M.F./Strollin’" (with The New Power Generation) 66 76 - 4
1992 "My Name Is Prince"
(with The New Power Generation) 36 25 9 7
1992 "My Name Is Prince" (remixes)
(with The New Power Generation) - - - 51 -
1992 "7" (with The New Power Generation) 7 61 - 27
1992 "The Morning Papers"
(with The New Power Generation) 44 68 - 52
1992 "Damn U" (with The New Power Generation) 108 32 - -
1993 "Pink Cashmere" 50 14 - - The Hits/The B-Sides
1993 "Peach" 107 - - 14 The Hits/The B-Sides
1993 "Nothing Compares 2 U" - 62 - - The Hits/The B-Sides; B-side to "Peach"
1993 "Controversy" (re-issue) - - - 5 -
1994 "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World"
(as ""😉 3 2 - 1 The Beautiful Experience
1994 "Staxowax"
(as ""😉 - - - - The Beautiful Experience
1994 "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (Mustang Mix)"
(as ""😉 - - - - The Beautiful Experience
1994 "The Beautiful Experience"
(as ""😉 - - - 18 The Beautiful Experience
1994 "Letitgo" 31 10 - 30 Come
1994 "Space" - 71 - - Come
1995 "Purple Medley" 84 74 - 33 -
1995 " Hate U" (as ""😉 12 3 - 20 The Gold Experience
1995 "Gold" (as ""😉 88 92 - 10 The Gold Experience
1996 "Dinner with Delores" (as ""😉 - - - 36 Chaos and Disorder
1996 "Betcha by Golly Wow!" (as ""😉 - - - 11 Emancipation; charted as airplay-only hit in US
1996 "The Holy River" (as ""😉 - - - 19 Emancipation; charted as airplay-only hit in US
1998 "The War" (as "New Power Generation"😉 - - - - -
1998 "Come On" (as "New Power Generation"😉 - - - 65 New Power Soul
1998 "1999" (December 1998 re-issue) 40 45 - 10 -
1999 "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold"
(as ""😉 63 23 - 65 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic
1999 "1999" (December 1999 re-issue) 56 - - 40 charted as sales-only hit
2001 "U Make My Sun Shine" 59 108 - - Prince with Angie Stone; charted as sales-only hit
2001 "Supercute / Underneath the Cream" - - - - double A-side CD-Single available on 2001 tour
2001 "The Work, pt. 1" - - - - The Rainbow Children
2002 "Days of Wild" - - - - in support of One Nite Alone... Live!
2004 "Musicology" 120 44 - - Musicology
2004 "Call My Name" 75 27 - - Musicology; promo-only; charted as airplay-only hit in US
2004 "Cinnamon Girl" - - - 43 Musicology.
That's Prince's entire list of singles, most of which were successful, but if you want to be vaguely specific:
Little Red Corvette
Delirious
When Doves Cry
Let's Go Crazy
Purple Rain
I Would Die 4 U
Raspberry Beret
Pop Life
Kiss
Sign o' the Times
U Got the Look
I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man
Alphabet St
Batdance
Thieves in the Temple
Cream
Diamonds and Pearls
7
The Most Beautiful Girl in the World
Those are some of his better known hits.
If you wish to continue, I'll mention that Billy Joel has been number one on America's legendary Hot 100 three times. Prince has been on it five times. Oh, plus twice with The Revolution, and then once again with The New Power Generation.
3121, his album before last, went straight in at number one.
To me? Success doesn't mean shit, quality matters, but I did suggest it would be best not to get into a Prince Vs Billy Joel hits argument, you didn't listen, now you have the task of having to top what I just provided.
Luck be upon you.
-AC
Top 40 for Billy: [These are just US hits]
She's Got A Way (4)
Piano Man (25)
The Entertainer (34)
Just the Way You Are (3)
Movin' Out (17)
Only the Good Die Young (24)
She's Always a Woman (17)
My Life (3)
Big Shot (14)
Honesty (24)
It's Still Rock and Roll to Me (1)
Don't Ask me Why (19)
You May be Right (7)
Sometimes a Fantasy (36)
Allentown (17)
Pressure (28)
Tell Her About It (1)
Uptown Girl (3)
An Innocent Man (10)
Leave a Tender Moment Alone (27)
The Longest Time (14)
Keeping the Faith (18)
A Matter of Trust (3)
Modern Woman (10)
This is the Time (18)
We Didn't Start the Fire (1)
And So It Goes (37)
I Go to Extremes (6)
The Downeaster "Alexa" (18)
The River of Dreams (3)
All About Soul (29)
You're Only Human (9)
The Night is Still Young (37)
According to the RIAA, he is the sixth best selling artist in the United States. Joel had Top 10 hits in the '70s, '80s, and '90s, is a six-time Grammy Award winner and has sold in excess of 150 million records worldwide.
In fact despite Prince have FAR more albums than Billy Joel, Billy has vastly outsold Prince. He was inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame (Class of 1992), the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Class of 1999), and the Long Island Music Hall of Fame (Class of 2006). The only artist EVER to have 12 sold out shows at Madison Square Garden. Has 4 number 1 hit albums, 3 number 1 hit singles. Over 30 singles in the Top 40 written by Billy Joel alone. In the Top 100 he has over 50 singles in that area.
Despite having never graduated from high school due to a missed exam, Joel has been presented with multiple honorary doctorates:
Doctor from Berklee College of Music (1993)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Hofstra University (1997)
Doctor of Music from Southampton College (2000)
Doctor of Fine Arts from Syracuse University (2006)
High School Diploma awarded 25 years after he left by the School Board.
Disney Channel Awards Kca Awards Joel was also named MusiCares Person of the Year for 2002, an award given each year at the same time as the Grammy Awards. At the dinner honoring Joel, various artists performed versions of his songs including Nelly Furtado, Stevie Wonder, Jon Bon Jovi, Diana Krall, Rob Thomas, and Natalie Cole. He was inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame on Oct 15, 2006. In 2005, Billy Joel was put in the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Joel was also the singer of the National Anthem at Super Bowl XXIII and Super Bowl XLI, both of which were played in Miami. He is the first singer ever to sing the National Anthem in two Super Bowls.
Billy Joel lyrics have been found on Asian soap and disinfectant packaging soap packet and disinfectant. He has a banner in the rafters of the Times Union Center, Nassau Coliseum, Madison Square Garden, Wachovia Center, and Hartford Civic Center in Hartford.
Also for his play Movin' Out
2003 Tony Award nomination
Tony Award for Best Choreography - Twyla Tharp (WINNER)
Tony Award for Best Orchestrations - Billy Joel, Stuart Malina (WINNERS)
2003 Theatre World Award
John Selya (WINNER)
2003 Drama Desk Award nominations
Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Choreography - Twyla Tharp (WINNER)
2003 Astaire Awards
Astaire Award for Best Choreographer - Twyla Tharp (WINNER)
Astaire Award for Best Male Dancer - John Selya (WINNER)
Astaire Award for Best Female Dancer - Elizabeth Parkinson (WINNER)
"Back In The USSR" was released as the single off this album, ending Joel's record-setting streak of 39 Billboard top-40 singles from the start of a career written by the artist who performed it which he still holds to this day. Billy is the better song writer. Just because someone writes more songs doesn't make him better.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't need to claim anything, you are all the proof I need.I didn't need to explain myself, you made poor assumptions, wrong claims, stupid statements and when I asked you to answer a question based on one such retarded claim, oh look, it's time for you to leave, as it always is when I ask you something you're too embarassed to answer. You haven't got the time to explain how you can be a songwriter without writing songs, but you've got the time to be abusive and reply as a troll would, most odd.
You obviously don't like Prince, so you said what you did whilst assuming that I told her to get out because she likes people who aren't to my taste. I didn't, I told her to get out cos she mentioned someone who is shit (SUBJECTIVE.) and not a songwriter (OBJECTIVE.). You then tried telling me I thought I had the right to decide who is and isn't a songwriter, then when asked how Robbie Williams would count, not writing any songs, you shy away like a coward because you can't answer, you're scared to answer and you know it.
You are a very silly boy who blames everyone else for his idiocy.
I don't need to "cover" anything, you prove everything I say about you correct.
-AC
I will now quit trying to reason with you. I've already told you what you must do to move this conversation forward... you refuse to. Now, it's over... go slooshy some Prince, aficionado.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
I will now quit trying to reason with you. I've already told you what you must do to move this conversation forward... you refuse to. Now, it's over... go slooshy some Prince, aficionado.
What makes you a songwriter if you don't write songs?
If you can't or won't answer that, leave the thread or contribute something positive.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Top 40 for Billy: [These are just US hits]
She's Got A Way (4)
Piano Man (25)
The Entertainer (34)
Just the Way You Are (3)
Movin' Out (17)
Only the Good Die Young (24)
She's Always a Woman (17)
My Life (3)
Big Shot (14)
Honesty (24)
It's Still Rock and Roll to Me (1)
Don't Ask me Why (19)
You May be Right (7)
Sometimes a Fantasy (36)
Allentown (17)
Pressure (28)
Tell Her About It (1)
Uptown Girl (3)
An Innocent Man (10)
Leave a Tender Moment Alone (27)
The Longest Time (14)
Keeping the Faith (18)
A Matter of Trust (3)
Modern Woman (10)
This is the Time (18)
We Didn't Start the Fire (1)
And So It Goes (37)
I Go to Extremes (6)
The Downeaster "Alexa" (18)
The River of Dreams (3)
All About Soul (29)
You're Only Human (9)
The Night is Still Young (37)According to the RIAA, he is the sixth best selling artist in the United States. Joel had Top 10 hits in the '70s, '80s, and '90s, is a six-time Grammy Award winner and has sold in excess of 150 million records worldwide.
In fact despite Prince have FAR more albums than Billy Joel, Billy has vastly outsold Prince. He was inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame (Class of 1992), the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Class of 1999), and the Long Island Music Hall of Fame (Class of 2006). The only artist EVER to have 12 sold out shows at Madison Square Garden. Has 4 number 1 hit albums, 3 number 1 hit singles. Over 30 singles in the Top 40 written by Billy Joel alone. In the Top 100 he has over 50 singles in that area.
Despite having never graduated from high school due to a missed exam, Joel has been presented with multiple honorary doctorates:
Doctor from Berklee College of Music (1993)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Hofstra University (1997)
Doctor of Music from Southampton College (2000)
Doctor of Fine Arts from Syracuse University (2006)
High School Diploma awarded 25 years after he left by the School Board.Disney Channel Awards Kca Awards Joel was also named MusiCares Person of the Year for 2002, an award given each year at the same time as the Grammy Awards. At the dinner honoring Joel, various artists performed versions of his songs including Nelly Furtado, Stevie Wonder, Jon Bon Jovi, Diana Krall, Rob Thomas, and Natalie Cole. He was inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame on Oct 15, 2006. In 2005, Billy Joel was put in the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Joel was also the singer of the National Anthem at Super Bowl XXIII and Super Bowl XLI, both of which were played in Miami. He is the first singer ever to sing the National Anthem in two Super Bowls.
Billy Joel lyrics have been found on Asian soap and disinfectant packaging soap packet and disinfectant. He has a banner in the rafters of the Times Union Center, Nassau Coliseum, Madison Square Garden, Wachovia Center, and Hartford Civic Center in Hartford.
Also for his play Movin' Out
2003 Tony Award nomination
Tony Award for Best Choreography - Twyla Tharp (WINNER)
Tony Award for Best Orchestrations - Billy Joel, Stuart Malina (WINNERS)2003 Theatre World Award
John Selya (WINNER)2003 Drama Desk Award nominations
Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Choreography - Twyla Tharp (WINNER)2003 Astaire Awards
Astaire Award for Best Choreographer - Twyla Tharp (WINNER)
Astaire Award for Best Male Dancer - John Selya (WINNER)
Astaire Award for Best Female Dancer - Elizabeth Parkinson (WINNER)"Back In The USSR" was released as the single off this album, ending Joel's record-setting streak of 39 Billboard top-40 singles from the start of a career written by the artist who performed it which he still holds to this day. Billy is the better song writer. Just because someone writes more songs doesn't make him better.
Who said Prince was better for writing MORE songs? It's my opinion Prince makes better music, it's your opinion Joel makes better music.
We're not discussing that are we? You wanted to discuss hits, Prince has more hits, he has more SUCCESSFUL hits than Billy Joel, as I have just proven. Prince has had almost more number 1 hits than Billy Joel has had hits IN the top 40 at ANY place.
You can name all the awards for dancing that you want, you chose to suggest Billy Joel was better by far because he had "all" those hits. Prince beats him in that area, Prince is also, objectively, the better musician. Prince has won upward of seven grammys, to my count, and according to the Grammy site.
Prince sold out 21 nights at London's o2, nights in Vegas, countless other places. He was the US's biggest arena-performing earner in, I think, 2004.
Disney named Billy Joel person of the year, big deal. What relevance does this have? He has a degree from Berklee, that's impressive. Prince had mastered over 20 instruments by the time he was my age, younger, even. Barely out of his teens and he was producing albums that were lauded whilst being called a "boy wonder" by people like Bob Dylan.
As I said, all of this means essentially nothing to me, as quality is always more important than success, but since you suggested Billy Joel had more hits, I countered and have proven otherwise.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not discussing that are we? You wanted to discuss hits, Prince has more hits, he has more SUCCESSFUL hits than Billy Joel, as I have just proven. Prince has had almost more number 1 hits than Billy Joel has had hits IN the top 40 at ANY place.
Really? Prince has 28 hits in the top 40 while Billy has 34. Seems like Billy writes better songs.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Really? Prince has 28 hits in the top 40 while Billy has 34. Seems like Billy writes better songs.
"Better" refers to quality, and chart position does not reflect quality. We're not discussing QUALITY, we're discussing successful hits.
But if you determine who is better by chart position, Prince has had twenty eight hits in the Hot 100, eight of which were number ones.
Billy Joel has had thirty four hits in the Hot 100, three of which were number ones.
Prince is still ahead. Number one is the best anybody can do, chart wise, and Prince has done that more than Billy Joel and while we're at it, more than ANY artist EVER besides a handful which includes; The Beatles, Elton John and Elvis Presley.
Phil Collins is ahead of Billy Joel when it comes to number one hits.
I'll say it again, if you wanna discuss who writes better songs, it's all opinion. I say Prince, you say Joel. Success? Prince has the edge, and it doesn't determine quality.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Joel has had thirty four hits in the Hot 100, three of which were number ones.
-AC
No, no, no. I was only naming Joel songs in the top 40. If you want me to go top 100 I'll go to top 100: which would be 42 now compared to the 28 Prince songs.
In fact I don't know where you get 8 number 1s for every site I see it only has 5.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Success? Prince has the edge, and it doesn't determine quality.-AC
What? Try Billy Joel who has outsold Prince in terms of album sales and shows.
2D, I actually have a reply to that typed out and saved, and I will post it when you answer MY question. I see no reason to indulge you when you will not answer anything I ask YOU;
How can you be a songwriter if you don't write songs?
Answer this and I'll post my reply to your question.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
No, no, no. I was only naming Joel songs in the top 40. If you want me to go top 100 I'll go to top 100: which would be 42 now compared to the 28 Prince songs.In fact I don't know where you get 8 number 1s for every site I see it only has 5.
What? Try Billy Joel who has outsold Prince in terms of album sales and sold out shows.
It doesn't matter, if you are judging CHART SUCCESS, Prince has been at number one eight times. Billy Joel has been there THREE times. NUMBER ONE being the highest possibly place, PLUS Prince other very high charting singles, he has collectively got not only more higher placing hits, but has achieved more number ones.
He's just more successful, no shame in it, but he is.
Five as a solo artist, two with The Revolution, one with The New Power Generation. All of which were songs wrote by him.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
What? Try Billy Joel who has outsold Prince in terms of album sales and shows.
So? You based your argument on hits, Prince wins in that area. If you want to shift the debate elsewhere because you've lost, that's your deal.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I actually have a reply to that typed out and saved, and I will post it when you answer MY question. I see no reason to indulge you when you will not answer anything I ask YOU;How can you be a songwriter if you don't write songs?
Answer this and I'll post my reply to your question.
-AC
Did I ever claim " Robbie Williams is a song writer" ? No. But there are people who would argue that just because he collaborates on his music, he does write some of his own music. Go ask those people that question. I merely brought up that your view that he wasn't a song writer COULD be questioned. I have no burden of proof, tough guy.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Did I ever claim " Robbie Williams is a song writer" ? No. But there are people who would argue that just because he collaborates on his music, he does write some of his own music. Go ask those people that question. I merely brought up that your view that he wasn't a song writer COULD be questioned. I have no burden of proof, tough guy.
I appreciate the reply, congrats.
You can't argue that he writes his own music if he doesn't actually write his own music, and he doesn't. So, he's not a songwriter. A songwriter is someone who makes their living off writing their own songs, Robbie Williams is no more a songwriter than Britney Spears. So no, I'm not deciding who can and can't be a songwriter, the definition is, and Robbie Williams is not one. YOU questioned my point, like they would, and it was swiftly ended by the application of what it means to be a songwriter. End of argument, moving on.
How is Prince a better musician? Because he is known for his technical mastery of over 25 instruments, by age 20.
Steve Vai, one of the world's best technical guitarists, was impressed by him, and rates him as one of the best guitarists, technique wise, ever. He plays more or less every single instrument on most of his albums, and a lot of it isn't easy, from a technical stance. Technically speaking, he's the better player of instruments. Not "objectively" better music, objectively better musician/player.
Billy Joel is not a great technical player of any instrument he plays. Not that it matters, lots of great songwriters aren't technical wizards, you don't need to be, I was just stating that Prince is better in that area.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't argue that he writes his own music if he doesn't actually write his own music, and he doesn't. So, he's not a songwriter. A songwriter is someone who makes their living off writing their own songs, Robbie Williams is no more a songwriter than Britney Spears. So no, I'm not deciding who can and can't be a songwriter, the definition is, and Robbie Williams is not one. End of argument, now;
Go tell that somebody who considers Robbie Williams a songwriter, genius.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because he is known for his technical mastery of over 25 instruments, by age 20.Steve Vai, one of the world's best technical guitarists, was impressed by him, and rates him as one of the best guitarists, technique wise, ever. He plays more or less every single instrument on most of his albums, and a lot of it isn't easy, from a technical stance. Technically speaking, he's the better player of instruments. Not "objectively" better music, objectively better musician/player.
Billy Joel is not a great technical player of any instrument he plays. Not that it matters, lots of great songwriters aren't technical wizards, you don't need to be, I was just stating that Prince is better in that area.
-AC
Well, you assume that being a technical instrumentalist is synonymous with being a great overall musician . If you were more specific and said he is a better "instrumentalist" or that he plays more musical instruments skillfully, you might have a point. Objectively a better musician? You have not proven that.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Well, you assume that being a technical instrumentalist is synonymous with being a great overall musician . If you were more specific and said he is a better "instrumentalist" or that he plays more musical instruments skillfully, you might have a point. Objectively a better musician? You have not proven that.
No I don't, infact, I specifically said that isn't the case.
Stop blaming your idiotic misinterpretations on me, I'm not responsible for you. You took me as saying "overall" despite it being clear that I was referring to the technical aspect. It's just you being picky and even then, still getting it wrong. If you're going to try to nab me on a technicality, make sure I'm incorrect;
musician
1. a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music.
2. any person, whether professional or not, skilled in music.
instrumentalist
1. a person who plays a musical instrument.
Similar thing. Skilled in music/playing a musical instrument. If anything, anybody could be considered an instrumentalist JUST because they play, musician defines it as being SKILLED, which not everybody IS, Prince is. So TECHNICALLY speaking, 2D, you nailed yourself in the foot.
Bye.
-AC
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Joel was also the singer of the National Anthem at Super Bowl XXIII and Super Bowl XLI, both of which were played in Miami. He is the first singer ever to sing the National Anthem in two Super Bowls.
Was that the one where Billy Joel was panned for singing the national anthem out of tune?
I think Prince played at that one. Was good, apparently.