Thanos(with individual Infinity Gems) vs Darkseid · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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Originally posted by darthgoober
In regards to your theory I'd just like to point out that you yourself said that he was PROBABLY weakened from some event. The thing is that no such event was ever established as having happened in that arc. That means that there's no proof of that.

And there's no proof that he was weakened by age....which doesn't make much sense, seeing how Ds is immortal.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And as I've pointed out many times at this point, a 16 year old Charles Xavier would be PHYSICALLY superior to an 60 year old Xavier(which is all that was said about the younger DS, that he was PHYSICALLY superior) but that doesn't mean that you credit the 16 year old Xavier with the telepathy feats of the 60 year old. Some things just take time and practice to get good at...

But it the story didn't say he was physically superior, it just said he was weaker....Not only that but your example has no similarities to Gds Ds.😐 You know for sure that Seid wasn't in top shape, seeing how needed to take Mordru and Time Trapper's power. And one other thing, that version of the character didn't display any abilities different than his current self. Mindrape, reality warp, power snatching, and creating beings of great power, has been shown to be apart of Ds's powerset. Hell, an avatar of Ds can create a reality.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
great points darthgoober but ive spent months giving him different scenarios as to why u cant count a feat until u do it. he just likes darkseid to much and wants to count it. thats the bottom line.
i told him before if i practice hard at benchpressing and in 2 years i press 300lbs i cant count the feat until i do it two years from now. its be like me counting it before i tdid it. it makes no sense. to count it it must have happened. bottom line.

No, all you did was steal his argument and failed miserably by doing so. Whenever someone disagrees with me, you take their opinion and try to use it against me. Stay out of my business, when I want to speak with you, I'll adress you.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by starking
And there's no proof that he was weakened by age....which doesn't make much sense, seeing how Ds is immortal.

I'm almost positive that it was DIRECTLY stated that he was weakened from age, but if you like I can look again and post whatever scans I find on the subject. And DS being immortal shouldn't matter either, considering the fact that a BILLION years is nothing to the Runner(who is also immortal via being barred from the Realm of Death), but Thanos was able to take him out by aging him a mere million with the Time Gem, so evidently the Time Gem supersedes things like immortality...

Originally posted by starking
But it the story didn't say he was physically superior, it just said he was weaker....Not only that but your example has no similarities to Gds Ds.😐 You know for sure that Seid wasn't in top shape, seeing how needed to take Mordru and Time Trapper's power. And other thing, that version of the character didn't display any abilities different than his current self. Minrape, reality warp, power snatching, and creating beings of great power, has been shown to be apart of Ds's power set. Hell, an avatar of Ds can create a reality.

Are you talking about the meeting between DS and his older self? Because in that particular match that's EXACTLY what was said, that the younger DS was physically superior, but the older DS was mentally superior. And the 16 year old Xavier would actually have the same power set as the 60 year old Xavier, it's just that he wouldn't know how to use it with anywhere near the efficiency of his 60 year old counterpart(which is my whole point).

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Originally posted by starking
No, all you did was steal his argument and failed miserably by doing so. Whenever someone disagrees with me, you take their opinion and try to use it against me. Stay out of my business, when I want to speak with you, I'll adress you.

becuz i argue with someone its funny but i never get credit. if i agree with someone or state the same thing and use my own stories its not my argument huh? i guess whoever else agrees with me it becomes theors immediatley in ur eyes. darth and i are correct. im not insulting u i am merely stating to darth that i have already had this argument with me. if u dont want me to respond dont post becuz that is what goes in these forums. ignore me then as i wont stop posting. and for the record i have always disagreed with u on this. long time.

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Originally posted by starking
And there's no proof that he was weakened by age....which doesn't make much sense, seeing how Ds is immortal.
But it the story didn't say he was physically superior, it just said he was weaker....Not only that but your example has no similarities to Gds Ds.😐 You know for sure that Seid wasn't in top shape, seeing how needed to take Mordru and Time Trapper's power. And one other thing, that version of the character didn't display any abilities different than his current self. Mindrape, reality warp, power snatching, and creating beings of great power, has been shown to be apart of Ds's powerset. Hell, an avatar of Ds can create a reality.

nope it was stated in foundations that older ds needed his younger self becuz he was weakned in the future and needed something becuz like anyone the older he gets the weaker he gets. he cant live forever on his own accord. he obvioulsy wont live anywhere near as long as the elders of the amrvel universe becuz they can survive billions of years while ds looked like a feeble old darkseid in the not so far off future. ds gets worse with age.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm almost positive that it was DIRECTLY stated that he was weakened from age, but if you like I can look again and post whatever scans I find on the subject. And DS being immortal shouldn't matter either, considering the fact that a BILLION years is nothing to the Runner(who is also immortal via being barred from the Realm of Death), but Thanos was able to take him out by aging him a mere million with the Time Gem, so evidently the Time Gem supersedes things like immortality...

But that's an example for a different character, therefor it's irrelevent. As for the rest of that, I believe his loss of power had nothing to do with age. New Gods are immortal and shouldn't extinguish so easily. But if you can find some context that proves me wrong, then it want bother me at all. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you talking about the meeting between DS and his older self? Because in that particular match that's EXACTLY what was said, that the younger DS was physically superior, but the older DS was mentally superior. And the 16 year old Xavier would actually have the same power set as the 60 year old Xavier, it's just that he wouldn't know how to use it with anywhere near the efficiency of his 60 year old counterpart(which is my whole point).

That was in Legion of Superheroes Foundations. I know what your probally thinking I'm two faced, because I'm the same person who tried to use that as evidence. However recently, I've learned that it was a different timeline from the pre-crisis one. I still stand by my statement that Gds Seid and current are Seid are one in the same. An alternate timeline is just history reshaped by a certain event. Meaning the events are different, but the character's are still one and the same. And for your example, we don't know if that Ds was more skilled with his powers, cause you know he didn't have them for like a hundred years. If anything, when you lose something like that for so long, I would think you would be pretty rusty.

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Originally posted by starking
But that's an example for a different character, therefor it's irrelevent. As for the rest of that, I believe his loss of power had nothing to do with age. New Gods are immortal and shouldn't extinguish so easily. But if you can find some context that proves me wrong, then it want bother me at all. 🙂
That was in Legion of Superheroes Foundations. I know what your probally thinking I'm two faced, because I'm the same person who tried to use that as evidence. However recently, I've learned that it was a different timeline from the pre-crisis one. I still stand by my statement that Gds Seid and current are Seid are one in the same. An alternate timeline is just history reshaped by a certain event. Meaning the events are different, but the character's are still one and the same. And for your example, we don't know if that Ds was more skilled with his powers, cause you know he didn't have them for like a hundred years. If anything, when you lose something like that for so long, I would think you would be pretty rusty.

it doesnt matter if these events do happen though which they most certainly wont. it doesnt matter if the characters are the same anyways u cant count me lifitng 300 pounds now before i have done it. how can u count it until it happens. how. how can u put that on his list of feats when it hasnt been performed. how???????? answer me this.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by starking
But that's an example for a different character, therefor it's irrelevent.

You can't impartially hold one standard true for DS and then hold everyone else to a different standard. I mean come on, either we're all drinking from the same water fountain or not...

Originally posted by starking
As for the rest of that, I believe his loss of power had nothing to do with age. New Gods are immortal and shouldn't extinguish so easily. But if you can find some context that proves me wrong, then it want bother me at all. 🙂

His powers waned OVER THE MILLENNIUM, that means that they faded with time.

Originally posted by starking
That was in Legion of Superheroes Foundations. I know what your probally thinking I'm two faced, because I'm the same person who tried to use that as evidence. However recently, I've learned that it was a different timeline from the pre-crisis one.

Good then we won't be hearing that DS's current incarnation defeated his future self from the GDS in combat anymore...

Originally posted by starking
I still stand by my statement that Gds Seid and current are Seid are one in the same. An alternate timeline is just history reshaped by a certain event. Meaning the events are different, but the character's are still one and the same. And for your example, we don't know if that Ds was more skilled with his powers, cause you know he didn't have them for like a hundred years. If anything, when you lose something like that for so long, I would think you would be pretty rusty.

I don't care if it's the same character or not, it's his FUTURE self which means that DS's current incarnation doesn't have the feats to his credit. I understand why it seems like it SHOULD be considered valid because of the complex nature of the New Gods, that's why I asked Digi whether or not the GDS would qualify as being an alternate version under forum rules. And you know what, it does. That means that the feats are inadmissible to DS's current incarnation.

BTW, when I looked through the GDS again to find that scan of him stating that his powers waned over time I noticed something interesting. When DS took control of Daxam, the planet was orbiting a red sun. That means that he NEVER took control over 3 billion Pre Crisis Superman level beings in that arc, he took control over 3 billion HUMAN level beings because none of them had ANY powers until DS transported the planet so that it would orbit a yellow sun(which is what bumped them up to Pre Crisis Supes level).

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Originally posted by darthgoober
You can't impartially hold one standard true for DS and then hold everyone else to a different standard. I mean come on, either we're all drinking from the same water fountain or not...
His powers waned OVER THE MILLENNIUM, that means that they faded with time.
Good then we won't be hearing that DS's current incarnation defeated his future self from the GDS in combat anymore...
I don't care if it's the same character or not, it's his FUTURE self which means that DS's current incarnation doesn't have the feats to his credit. I understand why it seems like it SHOULD be considered valid because of the complex nature of the New Gods, that's why I asked Digi whether or not the GDS would qualify as being an alternate version under forum rules. And you know what, it does. That means that the feats are inadmissible to DS's current incarnation.
BTW, when I looked through the GDS again to find that scan of him stating that his powers waned over time I noticed something interesting. When DS took control of Daxam, the planet was orbiting a red sun. That means that he NEVER took control over 3 billion Pre Crisis Superman level beings in that arc, he took control over 3 billion HUMAN level beings because none of them had ANY powers until DS transported the planet so that it would orbit a yellow sun(which is what bumped them up to Pre Crisis Supes level).

1. Your example was completely inapplicable. Darkseid is a new god, not a human. You bring up Thanos, or Odin, or someone comparable, then maybe you'd have a point. But Xavier and Darkseid aren't in the same league, and only one of them is immortal and a higher level being.

2. We do not know what caused his powers to wane, but we know it wasn't the dirt nap. It was because someone defeated him. And evidence points to it being Orion, since he's not around.

3. No comment. But it's still blatently obvious that GDS Darkseid was far weaker than his normal self.

4. He was a weakened version of the same character, and it was the same timeline. So we have a perspective on his true power.

5. He was still holding them after moving the planet to a yellow sun. and he was fighting the legion while holding them. Stop trying to demean the feat. doped

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Your example was completely inapplicable. Darkseid is a new god, not a human. You bring up Thanos, or Odin, or someone comparable, then maybe you'd have a point. But Xavier and Darkseid aren't in the same league, and only one of them is immortal and a higher level being.

Really? Are New Gods BORN with complete knowledge of the full extent of their abilities now, or do they learn how to use them like everybody else? But since you brought up Thanos as an example, if Thanos from 10,000 years into the future came back to the past, would you automatically credit Thanos with his future selves feats?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2. We do not know what caused his powers to wane, but we know it wasn't the dirt nap. It was because someone defeated him. And evidence points to it being Orion, since he's not around.

I know that in the scan it said that his powers weakened over the millennium, which in my mind sounds like he's saying that they faded with time. I've never seen anything to suggest that he was weakened by Orion or anyone else, but I'm more than willing to take a look if you have any evidence to that effect.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
3. No comment. But it's still blatently obvious that GDS Darkseid was far weaker than his normal self.

No comment on what?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
4. He was a weakened version of the same character, and it was the same timeline. So we have a perspective on his true power.

No we have perspective on his faded, and then amped up power. It's still inadmissible under forum rules until he does it(I know because I checked with Digi).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
5. He was still holding them after moving the planet to a yellow sun. and he was fighting the legion while holding them. Stop trying to demean the feat. doped

He LOST control of them while he was battling the Legion, and it's a lot easier to keep control over someone's mind than to take over someone's mind.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Really? Are New Gods BORN with complete knowledge of the full extent of their abilities now, or do they learn how to use them like everybody else? But since you brought up Thanos as an example, if Thanos from 10,000 years into the future came back to the past, would you automatically credit Thanos with his future selves feats?
I know that in the scan it said that his powers weakened over the millennium, which in my mind sounds like he's saying that they faded with time. I've never seen anything to suggest that he was weakened by Orion or anyone else, but I'm more than willing to take a look if you have any evidence to that effect.
No comment on what?
No we have perspective on his faded, and then amped up power. It's still inadmissible under forum rules until he does it(I know because I checked with Digi).
He LOST control of them while he was battling the Legion, and it's a lot easier to keep control over someone's mind than to take over someone's mind.

You are wrong. It's a lot easier to take control. Keeping control is Much harder. many beings have fought thier way out of being controlled. Also I dont' know why the arguing over GDS feats. Current DS has shown far superior power. Creating Laternate realiteis trumps anything GDS DS did.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are wrong. It's a lot easier to take control. Keeping control is Much harder. many beings have fought thier way out of being controlled. Also I dont' know why the arguing over GDS feats. Current DS has shown far superior power. Creating Laternate realiteis trumps anything GDS DS did.

This is Pre ALE DS in this thread, not the "current" DS.

And if you think that it's easier to get control over someone's mind than keep control after you've already broken their will, then all I can say is that you're wrong.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
This is Pre ALE DS in this thread, not the "current" DS.
And if you think that it's easier to get control over someone's mind than keep control after you've already broken their will, then all I can say is that you're wrong.

Tell that to MM when he got control of BA and then lost it. Tell that to Dr. Destiny, The white martians, cassanda nova, xyz. Nuff said. Keeping control is much harder to do. And DS doesn't have the ALE. Where in the hell did pre Ale even come in?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Tell that to MM when he got control of BA and then lost it. Tell that to Dr. Destiny, The white martians, cassanda nova, xyz. Nuff said. Keeping control is much harder to do. And DS doesn't have the ALE. Where in the hell did pre Ale even come in?

Really? I thought DS had the ALE now? If not, then Pre SUPPOSED ALE DS. And the Pre ALE thing was in the opening post, so it's always been "in".

And I'm not saying that people can't break out of mental domination, I'm saying that it's easier to keep control over someone after you've already broken their will and altered the make up of their mind than it was to take over their mind in the first place. I mean come on, that's just common sense.

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Your example was completely inapplicable. Darkseid is a new god, not a human. You bring up Thanos, or Odin, or someone comparable, then maybe you'd have a point. But Xavier and Darkseid aren't in the same league, and only one of them is immortal and a higher level being.
2. We do not know what caused his powers to wane, but we know it wasn't the dirt nap. It was because someone defeated him. And evidence points to it being Orion, since he's not around.
3. No comment. But it's still blatently obvious that GDS Darkseid was far weaker than his normal self.
4. He was a weakened version of the same character, and it was the same timeline. So we have a perspective on his true power.
5. He was still holding them after moving the planet to a yellow sun. and he was fighting the legion while holding them. Stop trying to demean the feat. doped

i see all the new gods fans are teaming up once again so i have returned.

1 his example was fine and it proves that u cant count a feat until its in the past tense.
2. we dont know what casue his power to wane so to assume its time is fine and dandy as there is no other event and merely ur speculayting that caused ds to lose hid power.
3. its not obvious at all that gds was weaker he certainly was more powerufl than current ds who got his ass handed to him in apokolips now.

4. doesnt matter if its the same character or not and if it just happened without him stealing powers and what not it would be more credible but with him stealing powers its only relevamt to that ds.
5.hes not trying to demean ds but the point sitll remains that when he lost his army he retreated becua as we all know ds needs an army backing him.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are wrong. It's a lot easier to take control. Keeping control is Much harder. many beings have fought thier way out of being controlled. Also I dont' know why the arguing over GDS feats. Current DS has shown far superior power. Creating Laternate realiteis trumps anything GDS DS did.

there is an argument becuz gds feats dont count for his current character plain and simple.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Really? I thought DS had the ALE now? If not, then Pre SUPPOSED ALE DS. And the Pre ALE thing was in the opening post, so it's always been "in".
And I'm not saying that people can't break out of mental domination, I'm saying that it's easier to keep control over someone after you've already broken their will and altered the make up of their mind than it was to take over their mind in the first place. I mean come on, that's just common sense.

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nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Really? I thought DS had the ALE now? If not, then Pre SUPPOSED ALE DS. And the Pre ALE thing was in the opening post, so it's always been "in".
And I'm not saying that people can't break out of mental domination, I'm saying that it's easier to keep control over someone after you've already broken their will and altered the make up of their mind than it was to take over their mind in the first place. I mean come on, that's just common sense.

Then how come they were taken over so easily?

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then how come they were taken over so easily?

i cant wait till countdown is over so i can read up on it and figure out what u have been slanting over to ds's side.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then how come they were taken over so easily?

Because they weren't equal to Pre Crisis Supes at the time. Until their planet got moved they weren't all that different than humans overall. And since there was only 3 billion of them, it means that DS taking control over them(while impressive) is no more impressive than any other telepath with enough power to mess with the heads of everyone on Earth. In fact since there's MORE people on Earth than there was on Daxam, anyone who dominates Earth has a better feat to their credit than DS has from the Daxamites.