Thanos(with individual Infinity Gems) vs Darkseid

Started by starking10 pages

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not comparing the characters, I'm comparing the standard that's being applied to DS. Either the standard is the same, or you're playing favorites one way or the other.
Their still different powersets. That's like comparing Luke Cage to Spider-man, different abilities, etc.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They didn't slap you across the face with a fish to get their point across, but the phrase My powers have waned over the Millennium seems to be a pretty clear indication IMO. Again if we hold the same standard to a different character(we'll use Silver Surfer) and he says "My control over the Power Cosmic has grown weaker over the years" what does that say to you? And again, Runner was immortal(and billions of years old) and the Time Gem still took him out.
But that could still mean anything. Let's say Ds was weakend by some kind of battle, that left him old and puny. The story didn't make clear enough, so I simply can't buy that ideal. Ds or any New God, shouldn't age to a point that they're basically dying. But I do have to give it Seid, even in that state he was ablte to take out Mordru and Time Trapper.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
No Digi's ruling is nothing more than clarification of Forum policy. That means that all he was doing was stating whether or not a specific arc fell under the heading of an "Alternate Version". That's aways been where confusion came into play, because people didn't KNOW whether or not it fell under that heading, but now we do. If we don't trust the mods to explain what is or is not against the rules, then who should we turn to?
Here's the issue with that, that's not even in the forum rules. Sure the mods are great in all, but their opinion isn't always the most logical. They're humans to, and they are bound to make mistakes. To let you know, Gds Seid isn't so much an alternate version, but him living through a different setting. Same character with a different outcome. The Gds Seid and Foundations Seid, can't co-exist for both of them are within the SAME universe. Take for example, if you kill yourself in tha past, you'll cease to exist in the future. Meaning their logical has to be one of you, seeing how another can't remain in existance, without the presence of your younger self.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't say it wasn't impressive, just that it wasn't as impressive as people have been saying.
I think it is, if they could of broke free of their control, then why didn't they simply do it? The fact that he could hold them under his bidding, while weakened, is a testament to his great power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually the writer's of both companies have agreed that Thanos is a pale comparison to DS. Fail. Try again. DS was hodling his own against Thor and Silver Surfer, WHile Thanos was getting rocked by CM, and WW and GL.

This is obviously an ignorant post . When did both companies agree that thanos is a pale comparison of DS? FYI, Thanos and Darkseid are both the creations of Jack Kirby...

Originally posted by RUNMAN
This is obviously an ignorant post . When did both companies agree that thanos is a pale comparison of DS? FYI, Thanos and Darkseid are both the creations of Jack Kirby...

You didn't read marvel vs. DC did you? You would also know that Galactus is a kirby creation and kirby created DS and Galactus as Equals.

Originally posted by quanchi112
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oh starking i just showed u up. dont be angry im here arguing, it make perfect sense that if u abosrb all these powers and especially an abstract with no end in his lifespan that u will rdically alter ur own powers. wiki agrees becuz its common sense. and ur insults have no effect on me.

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But he wasn't at full power...and we've seen him display those abilities outside of Gds. So does that make sense to you? Btw, didn't I tell you to stay out of my business? Do that and want insult, for your trying to force your shit down my throat when I'm telling you to back off. I'll debate with you, when I call you out. So please SHUT UP! Your annoying the hell out of me.

Originally posted by RUNMAN
This is obviously an ignorant post . When did both companies agree that thanos is a pale comparison of DS? FYI, Thanos and Darkseid are both the creations of Jack Kirby...
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Yes and Starlin created Galactus. 😆

Originally posted by starking
But he wasn't at ull power...and we've seen him display those abilities outside of Gds. So does that make sense to you? Btw, didn't I tell you to stay out of my business? Do that and want insult, for your trying to force your shit down my throat when I'm telling you to back off. I'll debate with you, when I call you out. So please SHUT UP! Your annoying the hell out of me.

have you been paying attention to how many times i have owned him and he refuses to relent? He is the Joker to my batman. The circe to my wonder woman. The republican to my gayness. LMAO. 😆

Originally posted by starking
Their still different powersets. That's like comparing Luke Cage to Spider-man, different abilities, etc.

Not really since DS's major feats in the GDS were psionic in nature(like advanced tk or telepathy) and Xavier's powers are ALSO psionic in nature it seems to be a pretty good comparison.

Originally posted by starking
But that could still mean anything. Let's say Ds was weakend by some kind of battle, that left him old and puny. The story didn't make clear enough, so I simply can't buy that ideal. Ds or any New God, shouldn't age to a point that they're basically dying. But I do have to give it Seid, even in that state he was ablte to take out Mordru and Time Trapper.

Again you're assuming with NOTHING to support it. I'll admit that the scan I showed isn't cut and dry, but it lends more credit to my argument than anything that you've showed otherwise. And again, the Runner is immortal also, fat load of good it did him....

Originally posted by starking
Here's the issue with that, that's not even in the forum rules. Sure the mods are great in all, but their opinion isn't always the most logical. They're humans to, and they are bound to make mistakes. To let you know, Gds Seid isn't so much an alternate version, but him living through a different setting. Same character with a different outcome. The Gds Seid and Foundations Seid, can't co-exist for both of them are within the SAME universe. Take for example, if you kill yourself in tha past, you'll cease to exist in the future. Meaning their logical has to be one of you, seeing how another can't remain in existance, without the presence of your younger self.

It IS covered in the forum rules, it's just not expanded upon in any real detail. My question to Digi was whether or not alternate time lines like the GDS fall under the heading of non cannon sources the same way that alternate universes do, and the answer to the question was yes.

Originally posted by starking
I think it is, if they could of broke free of their control, then why didn't they simply do it? The fact that he could hold them under his bidding, while weakened, is a testament to his great power.

A better question would be, if he could simultaneously take mental control over 3 billion Superman level beings, why didn't he just regain control after he lost it instead of running away because they were coming?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
have you been paying attention to how many times i have owned him and he refuses to relent? He is the Joker to my batman. The circe to my wonder woman. The republican to my gayness. LMAO. 😆
Maybe he's psychotic....and he has some kinda bizzare for fetish, for pissing people off. 😆

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You didn't read marvel vs. DC did you? You would also know that Galactus is a kirby creation and kirby created DS and Galactus as Equals.

Yawn. Anyway, you should be writing for Variety... All the rumors, gossip s and speculations without even an iota of evidence to support your claim...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really since DS's major feats in the GDS were psionic in nature(like advanced tk or telepathy) and Xavier's powers are ALSO psionic in nature it seems to be a pretty good comparison.

Again you're assuming with NOTHING to support it. I'll admit that the scan I showed isn't cut and dry, but it lends more credit to my argument than anything that you've showed otherwise. And again, the Runner is immortal also, fat load of good it did him....

It IS covered in the forum rules, it's just not expanded upon in any real detail. My question to Digi was whether or not alternate time lines like the GDS fall under the heading of non cannon sources the same way that alternate universes do, and the answer to the question was yes.

A better question would be, if he could simultaneously dominate 3 billion Superman level beings, why didn't he just regain control after he lost it instead of running away because they were coming?


wasnt' he weakend from the strain of the fight? is'nt that why he left? And are you telling me that becuz orion reset the universe without DS in it, it never happened? even tho the current jla was there and remember the event?

Originally posted by starking
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Yes and Starlin created Galactus. 😆

Seems you misinterpreted the post as per usual...

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Yawn. Anyway, you should be writing for Variety... All the rumors, gossip s and speculations without even an iota of evidence to support your claim...

LOL at you. you dindt' even know that thanos was a homage to DS created by JS. Not JK.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
wasnt' he weakend from the strain of the fight? is'nt that why he left? And are you telling me that becuz orion reset the universe without DS in it, it never happened? even tho the current jla was there and remember the event?

I honestly don't remember much involving his battle with the Legion and already packed away my Legion CD that has all the issues, so I don't know about the tp thing.

But no I wasn't talking about Orion reseting the universe at all, it's invalid because it's DS from 10,000 years in the future. Until DS actually experiences all of that, it's invalid.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I honestly don't remember much involving his battle with the Legion and already packed away my Legion CD that has all the issues, so I don't know about the tp thing.

But no I wasn't talking about Orion reseting the universe at all, it's invalid because it's DS from 10,000 years in the future. Until DS actually experiences all of that, it's invalid.


I actually dont' care about GDS DS. his current feats are better.

he used small reality manip agaisnt the Legion in GDS

in 7 Soldiers he creates alternate universes and turns all of the new gods into powerless human beings.

in GDS he mind controls 3 billion daxamites.

In 7 soldiers he mind controls and wipes the minds of ALL of the New Gods, all of them even hf.

In GDS he moves planets with TK.

in Seven soldiers he maintains a version of earth he has created inside a freaking black hole.

GDS DS is indeed far weaker than his younger self.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL at you. you dindt' even know that thanos was a homage to DS created by JS. Not JK.

If you want to be specific about it then your statement is true. I wouldn't want to further complicate your thoughts with Marvel affairs but don't you think JK approved of this creation since the incepion of Thanos was made when JK was already back at Marvel's fold? I'm sorry, just thought I didn't have to explain everything in detail since you are quite the comics connoiseur as you claim to be.

Anyway, you still have not made a legitimate response as to your claim that both companies agree...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I actually dont' care about GDS DS. his current feats are better.

Cool then I won't be hearing about it from you anymore...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
in 7 Soldiers he creates alternate universes and turns all of the new gods into powerless human beings.

In 7 soldiers he mind controls and wipes the minds of ALL of the New Gods, all of them even hf.

in Seven soldiers he maintains a version of earth he has created inside a freaking black hole.


That's nice, but this thread is Pre ALE(or whatever they THOUGHT was the ALE) Darkseid. That means that 7 Soldiers is irrelevant to this thread also. This is just "Classic" DS...

In GDS he moves planets with TK.[/B][/QUOTE]
When did he use tk to move a planet in that arc anyway? Cause the only planet I saw him move was Daxam, and he seemed to be using the Omega for that not tk(hence the beams shooting out of his eyes and surrounding the planet during it's move).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really since DS's major feats in the GDS were psionic in nature(like advanced tk or telepathy) and Xavier's powers are ALSO psionic in nature it seems to be a pretty good comparison.
Xavier is a mortal. Ds is a god and almost abstract, in his role in the universe. Their powers for surely work differently.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again you're assuming with NOTHING to support it. I'll admit that the scan I showed isn't cut and dry, but it lends more credit to my argument than anything that you've showed otherwise. And again, the Runner is immortal also, fat load of good it did him....
Not really, Ds was basically dying in that timeline. Someone of his importance can't fade away so easily. He can only die by the hands of Orion, which is why I believe he was weakened by something other than age.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It IS covered in the forum rules, it's just not expanded upon in any real detail. My question to Digi was whether or not alternate time lines like the GDS fall under the heading of non cannon sources the same way that alternate universes do, and the answer to the question was yes.
Again with this.... That's not OFFICIALY covered in the forum rules. I feel that it is just a opinion and nothing more. I also feel that it's just to illogical to, to accept as fact. Alternate universes and alternate timelines are NOT the samething. One is a seperate universe, the other is a different history in that the other one was changed, by screwing with the course of time. Take for example, you have a car. Then you replace the parts and change it's appearance. Same car, different look. That's how a alternate timeline/history is. Samething, only with different outcomes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
A better question would be, if he could simultaneousy dominate 3 billion Superman level beings, why didn't he just regain control after he lost it instead of running away because they were coming?
One word my friend, HIGHFATHER! If it were not for his interference, I believe the Losh would've lost. He played a big part in that story, in that he turned the tide in their favor.

Originally posted by RUNMAN
If you want to be specific about it then your statement is true. I wouldn't want to further complicate your thoughts with Marvel affairs but don't you think JK approved of this creation since the incepion of Thanos was made when JK was already back at Marvel's fold? I'm sorry, just thought I didn't have to explain everything in detail since you are quite the comics connoiseur as you claim to be.

Anyway, you still have not made a legitimate response as to your claim that both companies agree...

marvel vs DC was published by both and approved by both. the only fights and dialogue affected by fan vote where the 5. the others all were agreed upon by the writers and approved by the editors. thanks. have a good day ok.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool then I won't be hearing about it from you anymore...

That's nice, but this thread is Pre ALE(or whatever they THOUGHT was the ALE) Darkseid. That means that 7 Soldiers is irrelevant to this thread also. This is just "Classic" DS...

In GDS he moves planets with TK.


When did he use tk to move a planet in that arc anyway? Cause the only planet I saw him move was Daxam, and he seemed to be using the Omega for that not tk(hence the beams shooting out of his eyes and surrounding the planet during it's move). [/B][/QUOTE]

You do know that the Omega isn't just energy. it's anything he wants it to be.

I don't think Seven Soldiers Ds had the Ale, for in Firestorm he kidnapped Martin Stein to gain it from him.