Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Power, Time, Space Thanos takes without too much trouble.He'll lose with the MindGem since the actual power and ability afforded to the user are far from impressive.
SoulGem's more of a toss up since I'm not sure what would actually happen.
RealityGem is harder to use than the others so srug
Power, given it's max output, he'd have a chance, assuming Darkseid didn't OE him. or just take the gem.
Time, dicey. The OE and other things make time a peculiar proposition.
Space, not a chance in hell. It doesn't give Thanos anywhere near the power needed.
Mind, essentially worthless on it's own. Darkseid takes it.
Reality, now this is tough. If Thanos had full control of it, he might be able to win. But again, when has any of the gems stopped a full skyfather on their own?
Soul, no idea.
But really, none of these are stomps by Thanos. He could lose all of them, and he only has a shot at winning in 3 or less. What's stopping Darkseid from taking the gems from Thanos? Maximum use of the gems would be needed for Thanos to win any of these. Do the gems on their own put you above a skyfather in power?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestdarkseid got his ass kicked by superman with no powerups. so dont come with all this skyfather talk. odin couldnt put thanos down without any gems. odin is a helluva lot more than darkseid. thanos with each and every gem crushed darkseid into the pavement. its not even a match.
Power, given it's max output, he'd have a chance, assuming Darkseid didn't OE him. or just take the gem.Time, dicey. The OE and other things make time a peculiar proposition.
Space, not a chance in hell. It doesn't give Thanos anywhere near the power needed.
Mind, essentially worthless on it's own. Darkseid takes it.
Reality, now this is tough. If Thanos had full control of it, he might be able to win. But again, when has any of the gems stopped a full skyfather on their own?
Soul, no idea.
But really, none of these are stomps by Thanos. He could lose all of them, and he only has a shot at winning in 3 or less. What's stopping Darkseid from taking the gems from Thanos? Maximum use of the gems would be needed for Thanos to win any of these. Do the gems on their own put you above a skyfather in power?
Originally posted by darthgooberI'll give you that one, but there's no possible way to prove older Ds, had superior control over his tp. If anything, he would be rusty from lacking that said ability, for so long.
Oh there's been instance of just that.Here's a New God Child that doesn't even know that she's immortal(which shows that they're not born with knowledge of their powers and abilities)...
And here Lightray has to be saved by Metron because he doesn't know how best to use his powers...
They learn about themselves and how best to use their abilities through experience just like everyone else.
Yeah but in you're example Supes actually did it(which makes it valid), DS still hasn't been through the GDS. The memory isn't the most important thing, actually accomplishing the feat is.But technically...he did accomplish those feats. We know this because it's been seen by someone, from the normal pre-crisis Dc timeline. It's not so much that it's a possible future, but one that actually existed. If we didn't know Gds existed, then you would be on to something.
Orion will one day destroy DS, do we credit his current character with the feat?But we don't know how....were not even 100% sure if this will still happen. The only story where Orion killed Ds, was in some Kingdom come story.....which is non canon.I don't think there has been a canon story, where Orion was shown to be killing Ds. Besides, Orion defeating Ds is him progressing in his power level. There's no telling how, Orion will kill Ds. And that's completely different from what happened in the Gds. That Orion will probaly be stronger, where in areas Ds will be weaker in Gds. Hard to compare really.
Comics are consistent when it comes to making illogical feats. But sometimes it's different when it comes to physics, and all that good stuff. It's not always specific when they clear when they use things such as the space time continuum. That's why we use logic to fill in the holes. There's a good possibility that some of the stuff that goes down in them(and in fiction in general) can happen in real life. Take for example space travel and what not. If you see something that's unclear such as a science type event, that takes place in a comics, would you use a rational explanation, or some mumbo jumbo bullshit excuse, that would be NEVER happen in real life?
Logic tells us that a human sized being is incapable of lifting a building no matter HOW strong he is because the building would collapse under it's own weight. So do we follow logic or the section of the forum rules where everyone is at peak capacity and capable of the feats they've accomplished?
😐 I was using the Lt as a example. Ds is special in that universal and multiversal events, have had no effect on him.
So since every appearance of DS is valid in your opinion, then that means that the OE has been dodged by Batman through pure agility and human level speed(like in JLU) and DS's power has been matched by Thanos(like in Marvel vs DC) right?
And Digi makes the rules.....therefor it's Digi's rules. Which still doesn't make it logical, because you know Mod's are people too, and all people make mistakes....
Not just Digi's rule, FORUM RULE. And it's more logical in YOUR opinion. So all you have to do is to gain mod status and then you can make it official.
Originally posted by starking
I'll give you that one, but there's no possible way to prove older Ds, had superior control over his tp. If anything, he would be rusty from lacking that said ability, for so long.
Originally posted by starking
But technically...he did accomplish those feats. We know this because it's been seen by someone, from the normal pre-crisis Dc timeline. It's not so much that it's a possible future, but one that actually existed. If we didn't know Gds existed, then you would be on to something.
Originally posted by starking
But we don't know how....were not even 100% sure if this will still happen. The only story where Orion killed Ds, was in some Kingdom come story.....which is non canon.I don't think there has been a [b]canon story, where Orion was shown to be killing Ds. Besides, Orion defeating Ds is him progressing in his power level. There's no telling how, Orion will kill Ds. And that's completely different from what happened in the Gds. That Orion will probaly be stronger, where in areas Ds will be weaker in Gds. Hard to compare really.[/B]
Originally posted by starking
Comics are consistent when it comes to making illogical feats. But sometimes it's different when it comes to physics, and all that good stuff. It's not always specific when they clear when they use things such as the space time continuum. That's why we use [b]logic to fill in the holes. There's a good possibility that some of the stuff that goes down in them(and in fiction in general) can happen in real life. Take for example space travel and what not. If you see something that's unclear such as a science type event, that takes place in a comics, would you use a rational explanation, or some mumbo jumbo bullshit excuse, that would be NEVER happen in real life?[/B]
Originally posted by starking
😐 I was using the Lt as a example. Ds is special in that universal and multiversal events, have had no effect on him.
Originally posted by starking
And Digi makes the rules.....therefor it's Digi's rules. Which still doesn't make it logical, because you know Mod's are people too, and all people make mistakes....
Originally posted by darthgooberdarthggober its utterly ridicuolus to count this as a feat for ds. for one it hasnt happened which we both know. for two ds absorbed and powered himself up obvioulsy altering his powerset.
Why would he be rusty if his powers remain constant the way you claim?No HE didn't, his future self did.
Isn't one of your points that EVERYTHING with DS in it is cannon?
I don't have to go by either here, because it hasn't happened yet and I don't need some fancy explanation for me to know that. Until it does, it's invalid.
But are those things valid or not?
It doesn't have to be logical to you for it to be a rule. There are plenty of people who don't like KMC's rules, that's why they frequent other forums.
in closing current ds hasnt experienced iot or lived it so it doesnt count as a feat for him only the specific darkseid who actually lives it.
reason hes fighting for its one of his fav characters and he desperately wants to count it.
Originally posted by darthgooberHmm, maybe it has something to do with him being puny fo nearly 1000 years......
Why would he be rusty if his powers remain constant the way you claim?
Whom was weaker....and the same person as his younger self.
No HE didn't, his future self did.
If by everything and you mean the mainstream Dcu(which includes every alternate timeline) then yes.
Isn't one of your points that EVERYTHING with DS in it is cannon?
Correction, it did happen because one experianced it. How the hell can we say something doesn't happen, when you or someone you know, see's the evnt with their own eyes?
I don't have to go by either here, because it hasn't happened yet and I don't need some fancy explanation for me to know that. Until it does, it's invalid.
But are those things valid or not?
A rule that you had your hand in......If Digi saw the other side of the debate, there's no telling how that rule would stand.....
It doesn't have to be logical to you for it to be a rule. There are plenty of people who don't like KMC's rules, that's why they frequent other forums.
Originally posted by quanchi112Lmao, your such attention whore. If it wasn't for the hilarious claims you make in certain threads, I would put you on ignore. But I want for now, you can be good for a laugh.....
darthggober its utterly ridicuolus to count this as a feat for ds. for one it hasnt happened which we both know. for two ds absorbed and powered himself up obvioulsy altering his powerset.in closing current ds hasnt experienced iot or lived it so it doesnt count as a feat for him only the specific darkseid who actually lives it.
reason hes fighting for its one of his fav characters and he desperately wants to count it.
Originally posted by starkingwhy do u continue to insist darthgoober tells digimark what to do on his rulemaking. it was digimarks opinion and this is kmc so ur continual whining about why this feat is relevant has no meaning here.
Hmm, maybe it has something to do with him being puny fo nearly 1000 years......Whom was weaker....and the same person as his younger self.
If by everything and you mean the mainstream Dcu(which includes every alternate timeline) then yes.
Correction, it did happen because one experianced it. How the hell can we say something doesn't happen, when you or someone you know, see's the evnt with their own eyes?
Lmao, those are completely different versions of the character's. As in not apart of the Dcu AT ALL! Timelines exist within the same universe, not seperate universes. Which is why I'm arguing for the relevence of those feats.
A rule that you had your hand in......If Digi saw the other side of the debate, there's no telling how that rule would stand..... [/B]
did current ds experience gds? did he answer this.
ILL ANSWER IT FOR YOU NO HE DIDNT. THUS THE FEATS DONT STAND FOR THE CURRENT VERSION. HE HAS NO MEMORY OF THIS AND SO YOU CANT APPLY IT TO HIS CHARACTER NOW. ONLY AFTER HE LIVES IT.
owned.
Originally posted by starkingur whole line of argument here is utterly ridicuolus and wrong on every count. im a guy who posts his opinion. that is all. to call someone an attention whore for posting their opinion is hilarious.
Lmao, your such attention whore. If it wasn't for the hilarious claims you make in certain threads, I would put you on ignore. But I want for now, you can be good for a laugh.....
and by the way i dont think anyone credible agrees with ur wacky timetravel theories. i know the mods dont along with every other sane person in this forum and unbiased posters.
Originally posted by starking
Hmm, maybe it has something to do with him being ouny fo nearly 1000 years......[/B]
Originally posted by starking
Whom was weaker....and the same person as his younger self.[/B]
Originally posted by starking
If by everything and you mean the mainstream Dcu(which includes every alternate timeline) then yes.[/B]
Originally posted by starking
Correction, it did happen because one experianced it. How the hell can we say something doesn't happen, when you or someone you know, see's the evnt with their own eyes?[/B]
Originally posted by starkingLmao, those are completely different versions of the character's. As in not apart of the Dcu AT ALL! Timelines exist within the same universe, not seperate universes. Which is why I'm arguing for the relevence of those feats. [/B]
Originally posted by starking
A rule that you had your hand in......If Digi saw the other side of the debate, there's no telling how that rule would stand..... [/B]
First you don't like the "in character" rule and now you don't like this rule and in both cases you complain about it at great length and talk about how things SHOULD be. But the thing is that if you don't like the rules here at KMC, then you should find another site to frequent because those are the rules that are in effect. GDS is invalid for DS, period.
Originally posted by darthgooberyou owned him. i mean without a doubt.
So his power isn't constant then?His younger self still hasn't accomplished the feat, and as we've already covered it's entirely possible that NONE of it will come to pass.
Kingdom has been written into continuity to my understanding, which means that it IS a part of mainstream DCU.
Oh it happened, but not to him. If you want to use Supes feats(or anyone else who's actually experienced that arc currently) that's fine, it's just invalid for DS because he hasn't done it yet.
But if there's only one Darkseid in DS, then it's still cannon to him according to you.
I started by ASKING Digi whether or not alternate time lines were valid by forum rules and he said no. So I didn't have a hand in the rule, I just made sure that one specific point was addressed. The fact is that the GDS was NEVER valid to DS's current character under forum rules.
First you don't like the "in character" rule and now you don't like this rule and in both cases you complain about it at great length and talk about how things SHOULD be. But the thing is that if you don't like the rules here at KMC, then you should find another site to frequent because those are the rules that are in effect. GDS is invalid for DS, period.
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Originally posted by darthgooberLike he's going to be constant, whe he was weakened for 1000 years...
So his power isn't constant then?
Again...I grow tired of repeating this. If a feat occurs in a timeline where the said character WAS WEAKER, then it should be valid. Unless Gds Seid NEVER EXISTED PERIOD, then you can't say such a thing. So remember this major point, Gds Ds DID exist at one point of time. As in he wasn't a "possible character", but one who resided in another outcome. Same character, same powerset, only WEAKER!
His younger self still hasn't accomplished the feat, and as we've already covered it's entirely possible that NONE of it will come to pass.
Who know's, you could be right....however this version of Orion wasn't inferior to his younger self.....which makes it alot different, from Gds.
Kingdom has been written into continuity to my understanding, which means that it IS a part of mainstream DCU.
The only way for this to be true, is for Gds Ds to never exist.....and he did, and he's the SAME person as mainstream Ds, and he was weaker, and he DIDN'T do ANYTHING to suggest his powerset was radically different, from current Seid's.
Oh it happened, but not to him. If you want to use Supes feats(or anyone else who's actually experienced that arc currently) that's fine, it's just invalid for DS because he hasn't done it yet.
Lmao, THE MAINSTREAM DCU! What's so hard to understand? Not the Dcua, or the Elseworlds tales, those aren't apart of the MAINSTREAM DCU. Alternate timelines/histories ARE.
But if there's only one Darkseid in DS, then it's still cannon to him according to you.
Thank's for informing me, I didn't know this at all.......
I started by ASKING Digi whether or not alternate time lines were valid by forum rules and he said no. So I didn't have a hand in the rule, I just made sure that one specific point was addressed. The fact is that the GDS was NEVER valid to DS's current character under forum rules.
Btw, that doesn't change the fact, that the rule could be flawed.
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First you don't like the "in character" rule and now you don't like this rule and in both cases you complain about it at great length and talk about how things SHOULD be. But the thing is that if you don't like the rules here at KMC, then you should find another site to frequent because those are the rules that are in effect. GDS is invalid for DS, period.
Are you talking about our argument, in H/p Doomsday vs Thanos thread? I wasn't arguing against "in character", I was arguing for what would be more in character. You have a really bad habit, for putting words in people's mouths, and you need to learn to how to cut it out. And I like the rules in this forum, I just dislike the "no alternate timelines" one, because like no Non canon sources, this rule may not apply to certain characters. That's why I made the Lt comparison, because some things don't work for certain characters. I've said this over and over, and hopefully you understand what I mean now.
