Thanos(with individual Infinity Gems) vs Darkseid

Originally posted by starking
LMAO, whatever you say then. All character's that are "similar" abilities have to follow the same rules. No matter what level they're on, or how those said ablilities operate. 🙄

Makes sense to me.[/B]

Originally posted by starking
So how does something loses it's special status? Ds is different than most character's, and no matter what type of rules are made, or whatever the moderator says, this can't be DENIED! And I'm not saying this to wank him, a matter a fact this a bad if anything. Ds is very hard to generalize among other character's. He's inconsistent, confusing, and to damn complicated. Some thinks he's a weakling who can be beaten by Silver Surfer, some thinks he can take out Odin, some thnk he can stalemate, lose, or defeat Thanos, and so and so on.

Originally posted by starking
As for your little "bickering" statement, no one was doing such a thing. What I thought I was doing with you, was debating. I was being respectful towards you and I thought you where doing the same. You getting Digi to specify the alternate timeline rule, felt like a cheap blow to me. How would you like to think you had the upper hand in a debate, only to have some kind of random and baseless rule, rubbed in your face after like 5 days? Would you like for someone to bump a thread just to do that? I fell that you of all people having to go to those lengths, is just sad. What if your trying to push a rule on people, that's kinda.....FLAWED? What if someone comes along, and make some very good points on this subject? This discussion had some good potenial, and there are many ways to make a case for both sides. You let me down when you gave your take on something, to a person with authority over me. Like I said, if I was so wrong about what I was saying, then couldn't you counter me, with [b]DIFFERENT examples rather than the "moderator said this" excuse? What if this rule turns out to be flawed? [/B]

Originally posted by starking
And Goober, please don't put words in my mouth. I never asked for those to be official, or even specified.

Originally posted by starking
Here's the problem, Digi's ruling is more of an opinion than a actual rule. Just because it came from a mod's mouth, doesn't make it fact. Secondly, Digi's well, retired if I'm not mistaken. Thirdly, the character is STILL the same person, and he was supposed to be weaker than his 20th centurary self. So how can you not give him credit, for those feats? We know the Gds existed, it's no illusion just a different timeline. People effected by the alterization of time, will not remeber the experiance. When the outcome of time is changed, it merely reshapes what already exist. Here's the challenge, find some context that says his powerset was somehow different, then you maybe on to something.

Originally posted by starking
Here's the issue with that, that's not even in the forum rules. Sure the mods are great in all, but their opinion isn't always the most logical. They're humans to, and they are bound to make mistakes. To let you know, Gds Seid isn't so much an alternate version, but him living through a different setting. Same character with a different outcome. The Gds Seid and Foundations Seid, can't co-exist for both of them are within the SAME universe. Take for example, if you kill yourself in tha past, you'll cease to exist in the future. Meaning their logical has to be one of you, seeing how another can't remain in existance, without the presence of your younger self.

Originally posted by starking
Again with this.... That's not OFFICIALY covered in the forum rules. I feel that it is just a opinion and nothing more. I also feel that it's just to illogical to, to accept as fact. Alternate universes and alternate timelines are NOT the samething. One is a seperate universe, the other is a different history in that the other one was changed, by screwing with the course of time. Take for example, you have a car. Then you replace the parts and change it's appearance. Same car, different look. That's how a alternate timeline/history is. Samething, only with different outcomes.

So now you know. It's not an opinion, it's a rule.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again you're confusing character's abilities with the way those abilities are determined.

The special status I was referring to was the allowing of a future version to be used to represent the capabilities of a character. Those days are over, now DS has the same rules concerning his abilities that every other character has.

I didn't mean that what was going on between the two of us was bickering, but you have to admit that what has gone down between the likes of you or nvr and quanchi on the matter WOULD fall under that category. It's just easier to get things clarified than to run around in circles. And it's not my fault that you feel cheated out of the "upper hand" in our debate. The fact is that I was ALWAYS backed by forum rules, you just didn't want to accept it. Now if someone comes along and convinces the Mods to change the rule to allow for alternate time lines I won't have any problem with that, as long as ALL alternate time lines are allowed rather than just the GDS. And you know what? Technically "What if's" are alternate time lines rather than alternate universes because they're SUPPOSED to be identical to Marvel 616 up until a very specific event happens(which is what makes them What If's). But as we've seen time and time again, What If's are a shitty reflection of Marvel 616.

Now as for the rest, let me tell that what ifs are NOT alternate timelines. They are what they are, WHAT IFS. There's no proof existance, and they're more like an alternate reality than a different timeline because unlike the timelines, they don't fit in the said universe AT ALL. You think Superman Red son, fits in the Dcu? Things in that story are to different, for it to simply be an alternate outcome, of a certain event. You have to change the course of time, for it to be an "alternate timeline", and for most what ifs they don't display such thing.

This is why I think that should'nt have been declared non canon, because some people don't have a good enough understanding of the space time continuum, and clasify it with being a different universe or such and such...

You never asked for it, but it was pretty clear what was necessary...

So now you know. It's not an opinion, it's a rule.

But for now, I'm going to give this whole thing a rest, hopefully someone else will see the flaw in this "change".

Originally posted by starking
I know what your saying, I understood from your Professor X example. Telepaths aren't the same, nor are energy projectors and bricks. There are godly telepahs, bricks whose powers come from magic(Juggernaut), or science(Hulk), their are beings who can manipulate cosmic power at lower levels than others(Firelord) and some at higher levels(Galactus). Somethings just work so much differently, that it can't be compared.[/B]

Originally posted by starking
Well I still don't see that as a solid explanation. The whole "future version" of the character, works differently along with ones powerset. In order for those versions of a character to be invalid, they would have to not exist at all. As in never happened or occured PERIOD. However they WOULD have to exist, seeing how certain characters can and has gone to the future and experianced it for themselfs.[/B]

Originally posted by starking
Nah, you can't compare this to anything with Quanchi. Now an argument with him, will be ridiculous no matter what the subject is. 😄 [/B]

Originally posted by starking
Now as for the rest, let me tell that what ifs are NOT alternate timelines. They are what they are, WHAT IFS. There's no proof existance, and they're more like an alternate reality than a different timeline because unlike the timelines, they don't fit in the said universe AT ALL. You think Superman Red son, fits in the Dcu? Things in that story are to different, for it to simply be an alternate outcome, of a certain event. You have to change the course of time, for it to be an "alternate timeline", and for most what ifs they don't display such thing.[/B]

Originally posted by starking
This is why I think that should'nt have been declared non canon, because some people don't have a good enough understanding of the space time continuum, and clasify it with being a different universe or such and such...[/B]

Originally posted by starking
Meh, I figured you would do that. But the problem is, I already knew about Digi's opinion, and like then I still disagree with it. I see flaws in that ruling, that could be exploited.[/B]

Originally posted by starking
Or it could be an opinion....

But for now, I'm going to give this whole thing a rest, hopefully someone else will see the flaw in this "change". [/B]

Thanos can beat Darksied without a Gem

With a Gem, forget it, Darksied gets whipped, Thanos will push him down the stairs 😆

its very simple as i have said many times you cant count a feat unless its in the past tense. you cant count feats that happen 1000 years into the future. its not how it works. with the way dc runs things they reset timelines all the time anyways and to assume gds stands is silly.

but its according to our forum rules as darthgoober so eloquently put. so theres no arguing and i dont care if it was covered in the rules or not ds hasnt expereinced these things and prolly will never so it doesnt count or stand.

Originally posted by starking
LMAO, whatever you say then. All character's that are "similar" abilities have to follow the same rules. No matter what level they're on, or how those said ablilities operate. 🙄

Makes sense to me.

So how does something loses it's special status? Ds is different than most character's, and no matter what type of rules are made, or whatever the moderator says, this can't be DENIED! And I'm not saying this to wank him, a matter a fact this a bad if anything. Ds is very hard to generalize among other character's. He's inconsistent, confusing, and to damn complicated. Some thinks he's a weakling who can be beaten by Silver Surfer, some thinks he can take out Odin, some thnk he can stalemate, lose, or defeat Thanos, and so and so on.

As for your little "bickering" statement, no one was doing such a thing. What I thought I was doing with you, was debating. I was being respectful towards you and I thought you where doing the same. You getting Digi to specify the alternate timeline rule, felt like a cheap blow to me. How would you like to think you had the upper hand in a debate, only to have some kind of random and baseless rule, rubbed in your face after like 5 days? Would you like for someone to bump a thread just to do that? I fell that you of all people having to go to those lengths, is just sad. What if your trying to push a rule on people, that's kinda.....FLAWED? What if someone comes along, and make some very good points on this subject? This discussion had some good potenial, and there are many ways to make a case for both sides. You let me down when you gave your take on something, to a person with authority over me. Like I said, if I was so wrong about what I was saying, then couldn't you counter me, with DIFFERENT examples rather than the "moderator said this" excuse? What if this rule turns out to be flawed?

And Goober, please don't put words in my mouth. I never asked for those to be official, or even specified.

1 he amped himself up by stealing mega powerful people thereby altering his abilites.
2 the events in question havent occurred to current ds.

if you dont live an event how can you credit ones feats from it.

simple as that.

😛

Ok, I'm back

Originally posted by darthgoober
But standards can be compared and they SHOULD be the same. That means that if Supes pushing a planet counts as a strength feat rather than a flight feet, it should be considered a strength feat for everyone. If PIS writes off BS loses for one character on the forum, it should do the same for everyone's BS loses. If future versions aren't legitimate for one character, then they shouldn't be legitimate for ANY character.

I'm not denying the existence or relevance of the GDS, I'm just saying that it's not valid until DS's current character actually experiences it first hand.

But I didn't just mean bickering with me, I mean bickering period. I just like it when things are productive, and the way things stood the same argument was spamming up every DS thread you and I were both posting on with the same argument while you also had the same circular conversations with quan. Now we'll all have to find new things to argue about 😆 .

And A LOT has happened since the GDS was written as well. Realistically there's no way the DCU as it stands will actually end up suffering from the GDS no matter WHAT DC says. Eventually someone essential to that story like DS, Highfather, or some crucial person in the Legion will die, which will throw the whole damn story off. Truth be told, that very thing has probably already happened and I'm just not well versed enough in DC to know about it yet.

It's not being declared non cannon completely, just non cannon to his CURRENT character.

ANY rule can be exploited if you're determined enough, but you don't guard against that by throwing them all out the window.

Not OR it could be an opinion because there's no denying it's a rule now. You can say that it's a rule AND an opinion, but it's definitely covered in the rules now.

And Quanchi, stop responding to me. I'm not in the mood to here what you have to say. Your not worth my time and effort, and all you do is instigate pointless little arguments. You pull this crap with everybody and it's uneccasry, for you don't have that right to force your opinion on others.

Originally posted by starking
And Quanchi, stop responding to me. I'm not in the mood to here what you have to say. Your not worth my time and effort, and all you do is instigate pointless little arguments. You pull this crap with everybody and it's uneccasry, for you don't have that right to force your opinion on others.

and all posters come here to debate so do not call them pointless arguments becuz that is what people come here to do. that is all.

Originally posted by starking
Ok, I'm back
Ummm...what?🤨 I'm sorry but I don't get what your trying to say. Some characters have the similar. However the levels of those abilities vary from one person to another. For instance, lets say you have a bomb and a nuke. While they're both similar in that they explode. However the difference between their power, is DRAMATIC! One can destroy a building at the most, the other can wipe out entire cities. That's why the comparison you made between Ds's telepathy and Xavier's telepathy, is inaccurate. Darkseid=godly tp, Xavier equals=mutant tp. Just because one rule applies to certain characters, doesn't mean the same for all. Silver Surfer can probally beat Superman due to his kryptonite weakness. However this wouldn't mean the same for Gladiator or Sentry, because these characters while homages to Superman, lack his kp weakness.

[/b]Here's the deal, the current version of the character doesn't have to experiance a future, or even an alternate future for it to be relevent. We know for sure Gds happened because pc Superboy experianced it. In alternate futures, one should only have a different powerset, if an event of some sort took place that increased it's level. This did NOT happen, in fact the exact opposite did. Current Ds should be just as powerful, or even stronger going by the context of that story. This statement is supported by Seid being able to cause time to collapse, by pulling him out of the timestream, him destroying planets with Orion, and a avatar creating alternate realities. We can't credit characters like Superman one million with his feats, because he was almost a different character entirely and helluva alot stronger. Not only that, but there's not much proof that the 1 million timeline existed. There's so many thing different from the Gds and other alternate histories/timelines in comics.

[/b]Don't worry, this isn't half as bad as a majority of the crap you see on Kmc nowadays.

[/b] Now to disrespect you or anything, but if your not well versed in Dc, then why make such assumptions? Doesn't that contradict your post? Anyways, if you are correct about the Gds not happening(which you very well maybe) then it still doesn't matter. I'm looking at this from a realistic standpoint. As in not what would happen in a comic, but what would happen in real life. If the future was going to be a certain way, but it was some how changed, then I wouldn't say it's outcome prior to the change NEVER EXISTED. That means if history is rewritten, then we can't the way it was originally, never existed. That's illogical in that one can go to an alternate future, leave it, and remember it. How can it have never been, if you remember the experiance? Was it some kind of illusion? Watch Back to the future to see what I mean.

[/b]Non canon is a incorrect term for Gds Ds. They are still the same person, and that word shouldn't be associated with him. Non canon sources should be like zombie Wolverine. A completely different character, in another universe.

[/b] Not really. Pis makes perfect sense, because it there are some truly retarded showings in comics. As does cis, because there's some truly retarded characters in comics. As does bloodlust, because it makes the debate more interesting, to see what character's true potential. But no alternate timelines? The biggest problem with this rule, is it probally should more specific to certain characters. Sure, this shouldn't count to characters who will be more powerful in the future, but what about those who are weaker? It restrains potential debates, because it's a rule that's there just because.

A rule made by the same guy, with the same opinion. Like I said, this is something that's needed to be studied further. There are some gaps in it's ruling. [/B]

now with regards to your back to the future references. one thing is different. the doc and marty were living and experiencing these events and they happened. thus they were in the past tense even though some happened in the past and future. with regards to gds darkseid the reg darkseid hasnt expereinced this and has no memory while marty and doc had a memory of this becuz they lived it. DS DIDNT LIVE IT YET WHILE MARTY AND DOC LIVED IT.

the feats dont count here or anywhere.

Originally posted by quanchi112
events took place that changed ds powerset. he stole other beings powers. whether it amped him beyond his old powerset is meaningless as this no doubt altered his current powerset. so these feats dont count for the two reasons i have already named. maybe if ds came back and didnt need to absorb mordrus powers you would have an argument but it happened. ds has never absorbed current mordrus power has he? no. so ds took and carried out a plan that changed his normal powerset. events did take place that altered them. whether the comic stated he was less powerful or not is inconsequential.

now with regards to your back to the future references. one thing is different. the doc and marty were living and experiencing these events and they happened. thus they were in the past tense even though some happened in the past and future. with regards to gds darkseid the reg darkseid hasnt expereinced this and has no memory while marty and doc had a memory of this becuz they lived it. DS DIDNT LIVE IT YET WHILE MARTY AND DOC LIVED IT.

the feats dont count here or anywhere.

Btw, I thought you liked to have people out of your business?

Originally posted by Badabing
It seems people are either flame baiting Estacado or are honestly having trouble comprehending his posts.

Quanchi, if I were you I'd stop drawing attention myself. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
first off mind your own busness. he admitted the other day to creating a spite thread to antagonize me. he calles peple retards in most of his posts and just jumps down peoples throats before taking the time to actually read the posts.

and one other thing dont tell me what to do ...ever. ok.

😉

Originally posted by starking
Ummm...what?🤨 I'm sorry but I don't get what your trying to say. Some characters have the similar. However the levels of those abilities vary from one person to another. For instance, lets say you have a bomb and a nuke. While they're both similar in that they explode. However the difference between their power, is DRAMATIC! One can destroy a building at the most, the other can wipe out entire cities. That's why the comparison you made between Ds's telepathy and Xavier's telepathy, is inaccurate. Darkseid=godly tp, Xavier equals=mutant tp. Just because one rule applies to certain characters, doesn't mean the same for all. Silver Surfer can probally beat Superman due to his kryptonite weakness. However this wouldn't mean the same for Gladiator or Sentry, because these characters while homages to Superman, lack his kp weakness.

Also while Sentry's still kinda up in the air at this point, Surfer can most definitely beat Glads because Glads has a radiation weakness similar to Supes K-Nite weakness. And actually Surfer could STILL beat either of those guys without using their weaknesses, it just wouldn't be as easy for him to pull off the victory.

Originally posted by starking
Here's the deal, the current version of the character doesn't have to experiance a future, or even an alternate future for it to be relevent. We know for sure Gds happened because pc Superboy experianced it. In alternate futures, one should only have a different powerset, if an event of some sort took place that increased it's level. This did NOT happen, in fact the exact opposite did. Current Ds should be just as powerful, or even stronger going by the context of that story. This statement is supported by Seid being able to cause time to collapse, by pulling him out of the timestream, him destroying planets with Orion, and a avatar creating alternate realities. We can't credit characters like Superman one million with his feats, because he was almost a different character entirely and helluva alot stronger. Not only that, but there's not much proof that the 1 million timeline existed. There's so many thing different from the Gds and other alternate histories/timelines in comics.

Originally posted by starking
Now to disrespect you or anything, but if your not well versed in Dc, then why make such assumptions? Doesn't that contradict your post?

I didn't say that I wasn't well versed, I said well versed enough. There's always more to learn after all. I seriously doubt that ANYONE has read every single DC comic ever made, so I doubt than there's someone around KMC that actually knows EVERYTHING in regards to DC.

Originally posted by starking
Anyways, if you are correct about the Gds not happening(which you very well maybe) then it still doesn't matter. I'm looking at this from a realistic standpoint. As in not what would happen in a comic, but what would happen in real life. If the future was going to be a certain way, but it was some how changed, then I wouldn't say it's outcome prior to the change NEVER EXISTED. That means if history is rewritten, then we can't the way it was originally, never existed. That's illogical in that one can go to an alternate future, leave it, and remember it. How can it have never been, if you remember the experiance? Was it some kind of illusion? Watch Back to the future to see what I mean.

Originally posted by starking
Non canon is a incorrect term for Gds Ds. They are still the same person, and that word shouldn't be associated with him. Non canon sources should be like zombie Wolverine. A completely different character, in another universe.

Originally posted by starking
Not really. Pis makes perfect sense, because it there are some truly retarded showings in comics. As does cis, because there's some truly retarded characters in comics. As does bloodlust, because it makes the debate more interesting, to see what character's true potential. But no alternate timelines? The biggest problem with this rule, is it probally should more specific to certain characters. Sure, this shouldn't count to characters who will be more powerful in the future, but what about those who are weaker? It restrains potential debates, because it's a rule that's there just because.

Originally posted by starking
A rule made by the same guy, with the same opinion. Like I said, this is something that's needed to be studied further. There are some gaps in it's ruling.

Originally posted by starking
Go the hell away, your such a attention freak.

Originally posted by starking
Btw, I thought you liked to have people out of your business?

cant u see this?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh now I get what you're saying. But still, DS and the rest of the New Gods have to LEARN how to use their powers effectively just like everyone else, they're not born with an innate knowledge of all their powers and how to best use those powers effectively. TP is heavily dependant on willpower and experience, which GDS DS has more of both than DS's current incarnation due to the GDS being set in the far future.

Also while Sentry's still kinda up in the air at this point, Surfer can most definitely beat Glads because Glads has a radiation weakness similar to Supes K-Nite weakness. And actually Surfer could STILL beat either of those guys without using their weaknesses, it just wouldn't be as easy for him to pull off the victory.

He STILL hasn't done it yet. Think about it like this, if you say "Pre Annihilation Surfer vs *insert name here*" you can't use Surfer's blackhole creation feat even though it's the EXACT same character and when he accomplished that feat he had the exact same power set. Digi still allowed for the GDS, it's just that GDS DS has to be specified because it's not his current character.

I didn't say that I wasn't well versed, I said well versed enough. There's always more to learn after all. I seriously doubt that ANYONE has read every single DC comic ever made, so I doubt than there's someone around KMC that actually knows EVERYTHING in regards to DC.

The future may still exist(arguable), but if it's changed that means that DS will never experience it. That's what's important for the feats to be valid, that he actually experiences it and accomplishes those feats.

Well I'm sorry that Digi didn't want to create a whole new rule regarding alternate time lines. Like I said the GDS might be cannon(I'm not arguing that), it's just not cannon to his current character because he hasn't actually experienced it yet.

I disagree. The same rules should apply to EVERY character no matter who they are. See if we allow things like the GDS for DS while barring characters in similar situations because it's not expressly written in the rules that alternate timelines aren't allowed(not a problem anymore) then THAT would be(and was) exploitation of the rules, because it was relying on a loophole in the rules to allow more for one character than every other character.

But still a rule, no denying that. And there are no gaps, because it's an equal ruling.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh now I get what you're saying. But still, DS and the rest of the New Gods have to LEARN how to use their powers effectively just like everyone else, they're not born with an innate knowledge of all their powers and how to best use those powers effectively. TP is heavily dependant on willpower and experience, which GDS DS has more of both than DS's current incarnation due to the GDS being set in the far future.

Also while Sentry's still kinda up in the air at this point, Surfer can most definitely beat Glads because Glads has a radiation weakness similar to Supes K-Nite weakness. And actually Surfer could STILL beat either of those guys without using their weaknesses, it just wouldn't be as easy for him to pull off the victory.

He STILL hasn't done it yet. Think about it like this, if you say "Pre Annihilation Surfer vs *insert name here*" you can't use Surfer's blackhole creation feat even though it's the EXACT same character and when he accomplished that feat he had the exact same power set. Digi still allowed for the GDS, it's just that GDS DS has to be specified because it's not his current character.

I didn't say that I wasn't well versed, I said well versed enough. There's always more to learn after all. I seriously doubt that ANYONE has read every single DC comic ever made, so I doubt than there's someone around KMC that actually knows EVERYTHING in regards to DC.

The future may still exist(arguable), but if it's changed that means that DS will never experience it. That's what's important for the feats to be valid, that he actually experiences it and accomplishes those feats.

Well I'm sorry that Digi didn't want to create a whole new rule regarding alternate time lines. Like I said the GDS might be cannon(I'm not arguing that), it's just not cannon to his current character because he hasn't actually experienced it yet.

I disagree. The same rules should apply to EVERY character no matter who they are. See if we allow things like the GDS for DS while barring characters in similar situations because it's not expressly written in the rules that alternate timelines aren't allowed(not a problem anymore) then THAT would be(and was) exploitation of the rules, because it was relying on a loophole in the rules to allow more for one character than every other character.

But still a rule, no denying that. And there are no gaps, because it's an equal ruling.

Power, Time, Space Thanos takes without too much trouble.

He'll lose with the MindGem since the actual power and ability afforded to the user are far from impressive.

SoulGem's more of a toss up since I'm not sure what would actually happen.

RealityGem is harder to use than the others so srug

Originally posted by starking
No man, in order for that to be true it has to be SHOWN that certain abilities must be sharpened. I believe there has NEVER been any instances of New Gods having to do such a thing. I could be wrong, but until proven, the statement above is speculation. And for your tp theory, there are many things wrong with it. First of all, we're talking about character who was probally weak, for like nearly thousands of years. How can you improve a skill, you have been lacking for so long? If a samurai lost one of his limbs, and he has been out of commision for years, then how would he be able to improve his speed and agility? And your also off in that tp isn't the same for all. What if New Gods can use tp effortlessly? Just because one character does something in a certain way, doesn't mean it applies to all.

Here's a New God Child that doesn't even know that she's immortal(which shows that they're not born with knowledge of their powers and abilities)...

And here Lightray has to be saved by Metron because he doesn't know how best to use his powers...

They learn about themselves and how best to use their abilities through experience just like everyone else.

Originally posted by starking
I understand your example, but how does that help your point? I mean why would you use a current, non future showing as an example? It doesn't make sense and it doesn't have any similarities to the discussion, at hand. Anyways, I think your problem is that your thinking of a possible future, which is more like a guess to what happens down on. The future in Gds HAD to physically exist, because if pc Superboy can remember it and return to the past. Experiance isn't everything. What if we saw Superman destroy a planet, and a few minutes later he is knocked out and has his memory erased? Do we not credit him with the feat, even though we SAW him do so, with our own eyes? That's kinda how time is, when the course of time is altered your life we'll be changed and you'll have no memory what so ever, about how it was prior to the alteration. So does that mean the timeline never, ever, ever existed, yet some may have memories of the event? Nope! Kinda like the Genesis box in Rock of ages. People give it credit, even though it was used in a different future.

Yeah but in you're example Supes actually did it(which makes it valid), DS still hasn't been through the GDS. The memory isn't the most important thing, actually accomplishing the feat is.

Originally posted by starking
But what if you saw a weaker version lift ten tons? Would you say that you can't do what he does, despite being stronger than him? If the feat DID(or was goint to) happen, then that should be enough evidence itself.

Originally posted by starking
Yet we know for sure that version of the character, existed at one point of time. You have to go for what seems more logical, rather than what's written in the rules.

Originally posted by starking
Let me make this simple, some characters are special. Living Tribunals appearances outside of the 616, should be canon. Seeing how there's only one of him through out the multiverse. You can't put everything in same class, because of a few similarities. We sort things out in the animal kingdom, in physics, in astronomy, etc etc. Like I said before, not everything is made equally. The differant circumstances are what makes that ruling flawed.

Originally posted by starking
It was Digi's rule, always has been, and no way does it change the fact that it could go against what's more logical.

starking starking starking. you dont make the rules for what counts on this forum or not so dont stick up for ur boy darkseid any further.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DOES DARKSEID HAVE THIS FEAT STORED IN HIS MEMORY AND DOES HE REMEBER EXPERIENCING IT? THE CURRENT ONE. the answer is no he doesnt remember it cuz it hasnt happened and wont. even if it does u dont list that as a feat for the current ds becuz he hasnt lived it yet only that particular darkseid has lived it.

we will talk back to the future becuz as hard as u try to grasp it u fail miserably. we will take biff for instance. ok with biff in back to the fture two. after he he used the sports book to gain his fame he turned rich right and took over his town. that feat is only for that biff even though its the same character. when they rewrite the timeline while the normal biff is capable of this with the sports book it doesnt happen to him and he doesnt experience it. he lived it once in this weirdo timeline and that biff only can u count the feat for but no other biff.

get what i am saying? one particular book caused this biff to do the things he has done. without one specific event happening he winds up polishing mr mcfly's car. so while hes capable of this he only is if the one eevnt happens and he gets the book becuz we see how certain events shape all these characters involved in drastically different ways.

one time hes in charge of mcfly then hes his bich. then with the book he calls the shots then hes his bich again. time keeps altering the characters and not their powers but who they are and what they become through a particular event or so.

when ds abosrbed mordrus powers he altered his own. he was weak on his own but absorbed an abstarcts powers thus changing his own.

GDS FEATS DONT COUNT HERE OR ANYWHERE unless ur talking about that specific darkseid.