Pre-retcon Molecule Man vs Spectre and Michael or Lucifer · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Erik-Lensherr "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by Astner
Considering how a Multiverse is aleph-infinite in the first place, it takes more than infinte power to create it.
Your arguement is based nothing but your biased perspective.
Lucifer didn't create a Megaverse at panel, and never did he claim that he could.
Heck, YHWH only created a Multiverse as well--not to mention it took him six days.

Not my fault that you are unable to comprehend simple, logical things. But then again, it is my fault that I actually bothered entering this thread and explain certain things when I know that both you and that Air guy's level of intelligence is insuficient to understand it.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not my fault that you are unable to comprehend simple, logical things.

Again, your perspective is not logical but biased.
- Nothing on panel was showed or stated, that is a fact.

But then again, it is my fault that I actually bothered entering this thread and explain certain things when I know that both you and that Air guy's level of intelligence is insuficient to understand it.

Reported for flaming.

Erik-Lensherr "The devil made me do it"

I probably should put you back on ignore but then again, that would be boring because I wouldn't be able to read all the stupidities you're typing, so I won't.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I probably should put you back on ignore but then again, that would be boring because I wouldn't be able to read all the stupidities you're typing, so I won't.

It's like you're begging to be banned.
First of you're only allowed to reply if the text you've wrote is about the topic of the thread, though this is usually ignored and not taken as seriously, by the moderators, unless it evolves into spam.

However to post a reply just to flame is breaking two rules at once.
Not to mention that flaming is one of the more strict rules.

Why would anyone, who've already been warned for flaming do so again?

Erik-Lensherr "The devil made me do it"

Banned ? Based on what ? Did it seem to you that the claims I've quoted aren't from this thread ? Pointing out how stupid some arguments are or how somebody isn't incapable of comprehending certain things (which is obvious anyway) is called flaming ? Try again and this time, post something intelligent because you're wasting my time.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr Banned ? Based on what ? Did it seem to you that the claims I've quoted aren't from this thread ? Pointing out how stupid some arguments are or how somebody isn't incapable of comprehending certain things (which is obvious anyway) is called flaming ? Try again and this time, post something intelligenthaven't because you're wasting my time.

The claims you've quoted, such as 'Lucifer could create a Megaverse with Michael's power' aren't valid. Because neither Lucifer nor YHWH have created more than a Multiverse. Nor did they ever claim that they were capable of doing so.

When a claim isn't based on facts then it's called speculation.

And just because I disagree on certain parts with you it's not because I can't comperhend them. It's because that either you're wrong, or because you havn't been clear enough in your explanation.

The flaming is where you call others stupid, because they don't agree with you.

Oh, one more thing. If you see this debate as a time waste, why do you even bother to post?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Astner
The claims you've quoted, such as 'Lucifer could create a Megaverse with Michael's power' aren't valid. Because neither Lucifer nor YHWH have created more than a Multiverse. Nor did they ever claim that they were capable of doing so.
When a claim isn't based on facts then it's called speculation.
And just because I disagree on certain parts with you it's not because I can't comperhend them. It's because that either you're wrong, or because you havn't been clear enough in your explanation.
The flaming is where you call others stupid, because they don't agree with you.
Oh, one more thing. If you see this debate as a time waste, why do you even bother to post?

Imust interject. Vertigo itself is more than a multiverse.

Erik-Lensherr "The devil made me do it"

No, the problem is that you can't understand what I'm telling you. I've already adressed the "Michael's power creating a Multiverse" numerous times on this thread, aswell as others and the logic and evidence behind them is quite simple. The main problem is that people like you and this Airlegend guy have difficulties understanding them (or maybe you 2 are the same person, which I've had the impression ever since I've been seeing your posts), thus it's best I ignore you. Why I don't do it ? The same reasons I took Quanchi off ignore. Some of his responses contain so much stupidity that they actually become entertaining.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Imust interject. Vertigo itself is more than a multiverse.

Yes but only because.
YHWH created a Multiverse.
Lucifer used Michael's (it's really YHWH's) power to duplicate it.
And Elaine used Michael's (it's really YHWH's) power to create another.

But you could say that YHWH's power was used to make all the multiverses indirectly. But then again he's all power in the Multiverses there so everything anyone does is actually done by him.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by Air Legend
That just shows that the Molecule Man was holding back. He slagged several billion entire dimensions while having enough control to not destroy the surroundings. Had he gone all out he would have caused multiversal destruction, which he indeed did when he went up against the Beyonder, and you would have known this had you read the comic. Also, you're trying to call the feat hyperbole when Classic MM casually repaired MULTIVERSEWIDE destruction caused by the Beyonder with but a wave of his finger? LOL. Try reading the comic book before you spout shit about PR MM's feats.

really? has MM *ever* "slagged several billion entire dimensions while having enough control to not destroy the surroundings" in any comic previous to that??

if so, plz fill me in on the comic w/either a scan or the title & # so that I can find it myself.

and Id like to add 1 thing: we see how pre-Bey reacted to that blast which MM thrrew at him, and yet Bey himself got snookered by Doom using broken tech.

hrrmmm.....I *really dont think* either Spec, Mike OR Luke will have a prob w/Owen.

Tazer

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by Air Legend
This fails, especially since Marvel comic book writers aren't God.

apparently *U* dont read Marvel Comics, since we just saw that Jack Kirby IS God.

Tazer

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
No, the problem is that you can't understand what I'm telling you. I've already adressed the "Michael's power creating a Multiverse" numerous times on this thread, aswell as others and the logic and evidence behind them is quite simple.

Post a scan that referes to that Michael could create a Megaverse.

The main problem is that people like you and this Airlegend guy have difficulties understanding them (or maybe you 2 are the same person, which I've had the impression ever since I've been seeing your posts)

Why should I give a damn about your suspicions when they're as lame as your ability to speculate?

thus it's best I ignore you.

Do that, it would spare us both a lot of time.

Why I don't do it ? The same reasons I took Quanchi off ignore. Some of his responses contain so much stupidity that they actually become entertaining.

Are you saying that you're so simple minded that you find it entertaining to read posts which you think are wrong?

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by Tazer
really? has MM *ever* "slagged several billion entire dimensions while having enough control to not destroy the surroundings" in any comic previous to that??
if so, [B]plz fill me in on the comic w/either a scan or the title & # so that I can find it myself.
[/B]

You claiming that Classic MM's feat is hyperbole does not nothing to discredit his feat. As I already explained, MM repaired MULTIVERSEWIDE destruction with a finger and then at the end when he fought the Beyonder, they caused MULTIVERSAL destruction. Affecting all of Marvel is greater than several billion dimensions, and Classic MM proved capable of doing that.

Originally posted by Tazer
and Id like to add 1 thing: we see how pre-Bey reacted to that blast which MM thrrew at him, and yet Bey himself got snookered by Doom using broken tech.

🙄
Doom was only there because of the Beyonder. Beyonder had complete control over the past, present, and future and because Doom was dead at the time, the Beyonder had to take a future Doom and bring him back into the present so this thing could even happen to begin with. Secondly, the tech Doom used was created by the Beyonder himself, so I don't see how that is low feat because everything that happened in that plot device sequence was only possible in the first place because of the Beyonder.

Originally posted by Tazer
hrrmmm.....I *really dont think* either Spec, Mike OR Luke will have a prob w/Owen.

Only if Owen allows them to live.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
apparently *U* dont read Marvel Comics, since we just saw that Jack Kirby IS God.
Tazer

Jack Kirby, or any writer for that matter, is not God. We saw a Jack Kirby avatar as God of Marvel, but not GOD.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by Utrigita
I didn't mention Pre retcon Beyonder so showing me statements from him is pointless since it was Pre Retcon MM that you stated to be equal to GEB a being that is equal to the Presence, from the way I understand it.
P.S. Hope the spelling is allright teacher 🙄 because frankly I simply couldn't care less 😬

I never said PR MM was equal to the GEB. You have terrible reading comprehension. I said that Classic Beyonder's blast is equal to a blast from the GEB, seeing how PR Beyonder had no equal or superior.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Air Legend

Only if Owen allows them to live.

Only if a human being allows a facet of God to live? WTF. The Spectre can take owen's soul and send it to hell. I fail to see what he can do to any of the three.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Air Legend
I never said PR MM was equal to the GEB. You have terrible reading comprehension. I said that Classic Beyonder's blast is equal to a blast from the GEB, seeing how PR Beyonder had no equal or superior.

The LT is superior. Always has been. You know since he's NEVER been retconned. He's always been 2nd to God.

Sirius77 Senior Member

Originally posted by Air Legend
Lucifer only took a creation blast from Michael and that was because he was prepared for it.
MM saved everyone and everything from a blast from the Beyonder. That's equal to saving everything from a blast from the GEB.
Why millions of times more powerful? Because on panel Beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire multiverse and this came from the writers.

Because he was prepared for it? iirc, He was there when the omniverse was created by the presence. He survived that.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT is superior. Always has been. You know since he's NEVER been retconned. He's always been 2nd to God.

Oh so you're going to keep making this intransigent claim. OK, then that means the Pre- Retcon Beyonder is an avatar of TOAA therefore he is undefeatable.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Only if a human being allows a facet of God to live? WTF. The Spectre can take owen's soul and send it to hell. I fail to see what he can do to any of the three.

hysterical2
This fails so hard.