Pre-retcon Molecule Man vs Spectre and Michael or Lucifer

Originally posted by Air Legend
Yes he showed it when he battled the Beyonder who had complete control over the past, present, and future. MM knows when things are wrong as shown when Beyonder took control over the world. When has Spectre, Michael, or Lucifer been shown to go back in time and wipe out a person? Even if you can prove that, which I can almost guarentee you won't, it matters not because they will utterly fail if they attempted such a thing.
Classic MM in a curbstomp.

Wait, so Molecule man showd that he was omnicient and knew everythign that was going on? He showed master over time and time travel becuz he fought the beyonder who did have those powers? So that means that superman has master over life and death and time becuz he's fought DS who does have those powers?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wait, so Molecule man showd that he was omnicient and knew everythign that was going on? He showed master over time and time travel becuz he fought the beyonder who did have those powers? So that means that superman has master over life and death and time becuz he's fought DS who does have those powers?

Originally posted by Air Legend
So I was right in that you wouldn't show proof. Did you just say DS is master over life and death and time? 😆 You are a fu%cking ret4ard.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said that DS has mastery over life, death, and time. DS once fled in time. He once plucked himself from the time stream. He has killed and brought back to life. So what are you talking about?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

ANd it has nothing to do with the fact that just becuz you fight someone with more powers than you, gives you those same powers. I really just dismanted your argument and you didn't do anything but attack me and DS without even knowing what you were talking about.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Classic MM wen toe to toe with Classic Beyonder and was able to hang on for a bit. Classic MM was second in control over space, time, molecules, etc. only to the Beyonder. Read the comic book before you open your mouth.

That isn't showing me anything. Does the panel say that classic MM is 2nd only to the beyonder in control of time, space, ect? Or does it just say he's powerful? What feats show classic MM controling time? Or going back in time? Or being omnicient to the point of knowing what is going to happen or what has happened?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That isn't showing me anything. Does the panel say that classic MM is 2nd only to the beyonder in control of time, space, ect? Or does it just say he's powerful? What feats show classic MM controling time? Or going back in time? Or being omnicient to the point of knowing what is going to happen or what has happened?

Originally posted by Air Legend
It said that Classic MM was the second most powerful being in Marvel. Battling the Beyonder and actually lasting is a feat. When Beyonder was battling the Celestials they fought on countless levels besides the physical, and this is only the celestials. Try imagining the levels Classic Beyonder and MM were fighting on, seeing how they were both above the LT who would also solo this team.

So no where does the mm ever show to have mastery over Time or have any kind of omnicience to avert his family from being killed at the dawn of man?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So no where does the mm ever show to have mastery over Time or have any kind of omnicience to avert his family from being killed at the dawn of man?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Look dick. First of all you haven't shown proof of any of them actually being capable of doing such a thing. Secondly, Classic MM had to fight in the past, present, and future against the Beyonder or else the outcome would have been a lot worse than what happened to the Celestials. Are you saying Classic MM is weaker than a celestial? Wouldn't suprise me if you are, seeing how you are less intelligent than a frog. Lastly, MM takes fundamental control of all three of them and wipes them from existence.

first of all, yes There is proof that they can pwn him using time and kill his family. They have all stepped outside of creation, to which they could enter at any point. The Spectre has had creations birth and die inside of him. Time means nothing. And Where does it say that classic MM had to fight in the past, present and future against the beyonder? Exactly what would Classic MM do if if the spectre turns his entire family tree into mice? Or breaks the mutant strain all together? No more mutants, including him, before he was ever born one? or what ever the hell made him so powerful.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
first of all, yes There is proof that they can pwn him using time and kill his family.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They have all stepped outside of creation, to which they could enter at any point. The Spectre has had creations birth and die inside of him. Time means nothing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Where does it say that classic MM had to fight in the past, present and future against the beyonder?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Exactly what would Classic MM do if if the spectre turns his entire family tree into mice? Or breaks the mutant strain all together? No more mutants, including him, before he was ever born one? or what ever the hell made him so powerful.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Oh really? Do you mind posting some evidence? Also, you're going to have to prove that the Spectre, Michael, or Lucifer can do it to the LT, who Classic MM was greater than.

No your examples mean nothing. Still waiting for some evidence?

If the Celestials had to fight the Beyonder that way, there is no way in hell that the battle that caused multiversal (aka all of Marvel) destruction would not.

How about you try reading Secret Wars II. It was millions of times better than COIE and I'm sure you loved COIE, didn't you.? 🙂

Sigh, your response fails on so many lvls. The first being that they would have to be able to do it to the LT whom the molecule man was greater than is bullshit. The molecule man has not a feat over the LT. unless molecule man is shown beating the LT, your point is moot. Also, just becuz the celestials fought beyonder one way, doesn't mean MM did. That is RETARDED. MM didnt' even know he could affect organic matter for a time. You think he's smart enough to fight in the past, present, and future? Dumb dumb dumb. And i actually didn't like either all that much. Both were full of dumbness.

How about you try reading Secret Wars II. It was millions of times better than COIE and I'm sure you loved COIE, didn't you.? smile

hysterical

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Sigh, your response fails on so many lvls. The first being that they would have to be able to do it to the LT whom the molecule man was greater than is bullshit. The molecule man has not a feat over the LT. unless molecule man is shown beating the LT, your point is moot.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also, just becuz the celestials fought beyonder one way, doesn't mean MM did. That is RETARDED.[/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

MM didnt' even know he could affect organic matter for a time.
You think he's smart enough to fight in the past, present, and future?[/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dumb dumb dumb.[/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And i actually didn't like either all that much. Both were full of dumbness. [/B]

Originally posted by Air Legend
Statements from writers and MM on panel being shown to affect all of Marvel is greater than your intransigent opinion. It doesn't matter if you think it is ridiculous, what the writers state and show will always be greater than your illogical opinions on the matter.

No, you are retarded. You're saying the second most powerful being in Marvel, stated plenty of times by the writers themselves, can't fight in the past, present, and future, but Celestials can? And you wonder why people always attack your illogical posts on this forum.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? We are talking about the MM that reached his full potential.

Yes you are.

You can't say anything about Secret Wars II, since you haven't read it.

You attacks ring of desperation. I have seen no statements that says molecule man was omnicient, had power over the past, or could even travel the past or affect different timelines. Power has nothing to do with skill, know how, or certain abilities. I am more powerful than my mother, can I balance a check book, type as fast, and cook like my mom? Nope. Have i shown these abilities? Nope. You are grasping at straws and your argument is as weak and pathetic as your attempts to demean me in light of the fact that I have pretty much sealed MM's fate in this thread. He cannot manipulate time from a singular standpoint. He was never shown this, and you yelling louder isn't going to make it any more true. People attack my posts becuz they have no answer to the question. Just like you don't. Yelling louder doesn't make the attack warranted or even correct. Now go bury your head in a hole becuz you have been pwned.

Bump....

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You attacks ring of desperation. I have seen no statements that says molecule man was omnicient, had power over the past, or could even travel the past or affect different timelines. Power has nothing to do with skill, know how, or certain abilities. I am more powerful than my mother, can I balance a check book, type as fast, and cook like my mom? Nope. Have i shown these abilities? Nope. You are grasping at straws and your argument is as weak and pathetic as your attempts to demean me in light of the fact that I have pretty much sealed MM's fate in this thread. He cannot manipulate time from a singular standpoint. He was never shown this, and you yelling louder isn't going to make it any more true. People attack my posts becuz they have no answer to the question. Just like you don't. Yelling louder doesn't make the attack warranted or even correct. Now go bury your head in a hole becuz you have been pwned.

Show me some proof or don't respond and concede that MM wins.

OK, we know that the Beyonder at this time was supreme.
But is that really a good reference?

I mean Owen Reece himself said

So in truth, Reece's power were nowhere near the Beyonder's.

However, Beyonder had imposed limitations on himself so Owen Reece actually put up a battle.
But Beyonder's ture power at that moment were far beyond the once possessed by Reece.

But on the other hand Reece's powers were greater than the Living Tribunal's.
Who by himself could take out Lucifer and Michael with little effort.

After all, the powers, the power demiurge, released when Michael dies destroys and recreates a multiverse, and Lucifer's ability is to shape energy and matter (since he cannot create it)

The Living Tribunal held 2 Megaverses in the palm of his hand, a multiverse wouldn't even make him flinch.

And since the Living Tribunal is above all versions of the Spectre (in tearms of panel feats)

I would say that Reece takes this.

Originally posted by Astner
OK, we know that the Beyonder at this time was supreme.
But is that really a good reference?

I mean Owen Reece himself said

So in truth, Reece's power were nowhere near the Beyonder's.

However, Beyonder had imposed limitations on himself so Owen Reece actually put up a battle.
But Beyonder's ture power at that moment were far beyond the once possessed by Reece.

But on the other hand Reece's powers were greater than the Living Tribunal's.
Who by himself could take out Lucifer and Michael with little effort.

After all, the powers, the power demiurge, released when Michael dies destroys and recreates a multiverse, and Lucifer's ability is to shape energy and matter (since he cannot create it)

The Living Tribunal held 2 Megaverses in the palm of his hand, a multiverse wouldn't even make him flinch.

And since the Living Tribunal is above all versions of the Spectre (in tearms of panel feats)

I would say that Reece takes this.

Um, one thing, The LT has never been retconned, thus Reece isn't above the LT, which means the only thing reece has going for him is people using the LT as a shield, to what reece is supposed to be able to do. that fails on so many lvls. And the LT can't beat mike. The LT has shown he doesn't have the will do certain things. Lucifer is Will. He'd use Lt's own power against him. Take the LT out of the equation becuz you can't use later showings of the lt as a marker to what Reece should be able to do, since you won't acknowlege that the LT has never been retconned, or he has, and thus he is far superior now than then.

I'll make this easy on you two, Show reece beating the LT, and I'll concede. Who reece doing anything remotely similiar to what the LT has done. Also show The LT merging with all of Gods power, since you think he can beat Spectre. Also I would like to see a retcon for the LT. Where he wasn't always 2nd only to God. Was there an official retcon? If not, then he always was, and since reece has never fought him, this cannot be denied. If he was retconned, then that means he is now more powerful than he was before, thus reece being superior to his current showings is inadmissible. Either way, I got this one bagged. Sorry fellas.

And thus the circle begins... again. 🙄

Classic MM wins. Everyone on this board agrees on this except nvr, but intransigence doesn't count. If nobody else is going to argue against this, then I don't see the point of continuing this thread since we are all in unanimous agreement.